On 29.06.2006, at 23:06, Chipp Walters wrote:
No argument here. Microsoft's business practice is deplorable...no,
criminal.
depends on your point of view. How many people has this business
practice killed? How man companies? How man lifes and human been
destroyed? How many bilions dollars
To me, the units sold and installed base numbers are guidelines but not
real indicators of a particular system's real penetration which is measured
in something I'd call units in daily use by humans. That figure can't be
obtained, of course, but one figure that CAN be obtained is the mix of
On Jun 30, 2006, at 1:20 AM, Dan Shafer wrote:
To me, the units sold and installed base numbers are guidelines
but not
real indicators of a particular system's real penetration which is
measured
in something I'd call units in daily use by humans. That figure
can't be
obtained, of
Well, I'm not sure I agree with all of your analysis, Devin.
Browser masking certainly results in under-reporting of browsers like Safari
that can (or even must) masquerade as others, but you can't mask the OS very
easily.
On 6/30/06, Devin Asay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jun 30, 2006, at
The smallest marketshare I could find for Windows was 84%, which I
kind of doubt-- IMO it's too small. I'm not too big on 'projections,'
especially the ones about computers. Didn't they predict the end of
computers around 2000 ;-)
Frankly, 58% in 2007 seems laughable. Though I guess if your
Chipp Walters wrote:
The smallest marketshare I could find for Windows was 84%
Not too far off the original poster's estimate of 80%.
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On Jun 28, 2006, at 11:29 AM, Dan Shafer wrote:
OK, so how many of us would be willing to throw, say, a grand at a
developer
or team to do this project? Delivering a Rev stack/app in DHTML
would be
such an awesome tool that I'd use it daily.
If a grand means $1,000.00, then I surely
Yes, but that 84% includes ALL OS'es. Whereas Stephen said:
*I figure once you whittle down all the point-of-sale, CNC drilling
machines, and ATMs the actual HUMAN used market share of Macs vs PC
is more around 20%
The 84% doesn't suppose the other 16% is for Macs, quite the contrary.
As I
Chipp Walters wrote:
In anycase, I seriously doubt either you or Stephen can
make a real case for the Mac having a 20% marketshare
Maybe Stephen did intend that, but read it differently.
Speaking only for myself, I've never made such a claim about total
market share, nor would I: The
On 6/29/06, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Whether or not one agrees with the two dozen governments around the
world who've found Microsoft guilty of sweeping anti-trust violations,
however that market share was acquired there's no denying it exists.
No argument here. Microsoft's
OK, so how many of us would be willing to throw, say, a grand at a developer
or team to do this project? Delivering a Rev stack/app in DHTML would be
such an awesome tool that I'd use it daily.
On 6/27/06, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
GregSmith wrote:
And all of the linkages are
Dan Shafer wrote:
Delivering a Rev stack/app in DHTML would be
such an awesome tool that I'd use it daily.
If you chappies discussing this thread (most of which is above my head)
think that comparison would be of any value, I suggest you visit -
The problem wiht rebol is that it is yet another plug-in. The reason
schools (for example) want web/browser-delivered content is that they don't
have to go in and touch every workstation.
If Rev could deliver a stack via DHTML/AJAX, that would be the ideal!
I was even pondering writing my
Dear Peter and All,
I would'nt be too negative but two Rebol geeks of my friends could
explain lots about the Rebol IE plug-in (Olivier Auverlot, the writer
of the french's Eyrolles Rebol programmers reference book, and
François Jouen of the Ecole Pratiques de Hautes-Etudes institute).
facility for Firefox etc. is still in alpha, but will probably be
ready this year. Everybody speaks about Java, Flash, etc., but
nobody seems to be really aware of what Rebol are up to. Also, as
far as I can see, my little demo is highly relevant to the Web
presentation of media.
Yeah, I
I thought that point was moot if it installs in 2 seconds!
The problem wiht rebol is that it is yet another plug-in. The
reason schools (for example) want web/browser-delivered content is
that they don't have to go in and touch every workstation.
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On Jun 28, 2006, at 8:58 AM, Bob Warren wrote:
Dan Shafer wrote:
Delivering a Rev stack/app in DHTML would be
such an awesome tool that I'd use it daily.
If you chappies
I work in windows only...
also, REBOL is a very nice language created by one of the guys from
the AMIGA era... very nice indeed.
But it's not match to Rev when it comes to create desktop apps.
Andre
On Jun 28, 2006, at 10:07 AM, Stephen Barncard wrote:
I thought that point was moot if it
Andre Garzia wrote:
I work in windows only...
also, REBOL is a very nice language created by one of the guys from
the AMIGA era... very nice indeed.
But it's not match to Rev when it comes to create desktop apps.
Agreed. Way back when Rebol was enjoying its 15 minutes of fame I gave
it
My main point is that it is a plug-in. I haven't really looked at it's
capabilities. The problem is, it requires a plug-in to be installed on the
user's machine.
At 02:43 PM 6/28/2006, you wrote:
Dear Peter and All,
I would'nt be too negative but two Rebol geeks of my friends could
explain
On 6/28/06, Stephen Barncard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What about the other 20%*?
Funny, the most I could find the Mac had was:
Currently Apple has a US market share of 4.5 percent and a global
market share of 2.5 percent.
--http://www.andybudd.com/archives/2005/07/apple_market_share/
Chipp Walters wrote:
On 6/28/06, Stephen Barncard stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com wrote:
What about the other 20%*?
Funny, the most I could find the Mac had was:
Currently Apple has a US market share of 4.5 percent and a global
market share of 2.5 percent.
Richard,
Votes are precious so although I am very interested in this I don't
think I have enough votes left to apply to it.
I would say that maybe some crossover between a Flash/Java output and
a Rev development app would help greatly in this endeavor.
Maybe an Object exporter from with
So, for the Revolution author who wants to take advantage of
all of the authoring prowess of Revolution, yet wants to also
enjoy the added benefit of regular sales transactions, he or
she might be best served by a compromise in the form of a
standard browser plug-in, which fully displays
T'aint the same as displaying content embedded in the middle of a web page;
and still requires (as every other possible solution would) the end user to
download something on their disk; but it occurs to me that we might, with
little effort, at least be able to get to the state that PDF is on
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think mainly in terms of The Web for online dellivery of
multimedia content. And the potential purchaser of a product like Media
will be thinking along those same lines.
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On Jun 27, 2006, at 8:46 AM, GregSmith wrote:
Exactly, not only do people NOT want to go to the trouble of
downloading yet
another browser plug-in, they especially do not want to go to the
trouble of
installing an application which they have never heard of, on a
machine they
may not own.
Apple publicly demonstrated a plugin that enabled HyperCard stacks to be run
within web pages. Unfortunately it never saw distribution. Flash and
Director both have connections to HyperCard from way back. Frankly, a
web-plugin is a natural for Rev. It would let us developers write games and
Bill Marriott wrote:
Apple publicly demonstrated a plugin that enabled HyperCard stacks to be run
within web pages. Unfortunately it never saw distribution. Flash and
Director both have connections to HyperCard from way back. Frankly, a
web-plugin is a natural for Rev. It would let us
it a more solid identity.
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If you can get backing for the development of such a plugin I'm fairly
confident RunRev would happily receive the money.
It's always been my plan to win the lottery and give it all to RunRev :)
A plugin doesn't address
GregSmith wrote:
And all of the linkages are already in place through AJAX for the major
browsers so that nothing would need to be downloaded to be viewed and
experienced?
I think the best answer here would be depends. :)
All is a pretty big word, and as I mentioned earlier
versions to get some of these
premade elements? I'm confused and couldn't find the answers to these
questions on the Runtime Revolution website.
Thank you,
Greg Smith
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GregSmith wrote:
For convenience, most people offering online training stuff require the kind
of portability that Flash or QuickTime offers, so that the content can be
viewed in a standard web browser . . . is that even possible with any
version of Runtime Revolution?
Not per se. Rev doesn't
monopolized
the market for producing tools for the distribution of online multimedia
content. I just don't want to play monopoly anymore.
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GregSmith wrote:
So, really there are no Runtime Revolution products or
extensions or 3rd party products made specifically for
delivering multimedia content over the internet.
The Internet is not necessarily the Web. There are sometimes good
reasons to deploy stuff specifically within a
Recently, GregSmith wrote:
So, really there are no Runtime Revolution products or
extensions or 3rd party products made specifically for delivering multimedia
content over the internet.
Actually, you can deliver any Revolution content over the Internet using a
single line of code:
go url
Greg,
I also was looking for this feature--first in SuperCard. But if you think about
it, something like Flash requires a multi-megabyte download and install plugin
for your browser. You can accomplish the same by having your users run
web-based stacks from a rev app on their hard-drive.
You
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with the package, (you can try out Keynote 3 if you have a current version
of iLife 06).
I know it is not the cup of tea for the hardened programmer.
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GregSmith wrote:
When you say a snap, what you mean by snap and what I may understand you
to mean could easily be 2 different things. I did look for examples of how
to do what you are describing by searching the Revolution site and Google,
but came up empty-handed.
Did you read the article I
be tempted to lay down a cool 300 bucks if such things were already
included in the Revolution Studio package.
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GregSmith wrote:
So, for the Revolution author who wants to take advantage of all of the
authoring prowess of Revolution, yet wants to also enjoy the added benefit
of regular sales transactions he or she might be best served by a
compromise in the form of a standard browser plug-in, which
On Jun 26, 2006, at 6:25 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
. . . or, better yet, a translator which exports the fully
functional Revolution stack into a format
like Flash or QuickTime.
Err, friends,
I don't want to be one to spoil the fun but nor quicktime nor flash
supports the feature-set of
If I'm not mistaken, this is something lots of folks have been asking for
for a long time.
Maybe it lies in 'the road ahead'?
Judy
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006, GregSmith wrote:
Jacqueline:
That's too bad. So, really there are no Runtime Revolution products or
extensions or 3rd party products
Richard,
While I really liked your referenced article, and, indeed, agree
substantially with its many good points, the problem remains with the vast
legions of folk who don't know the internet from the web, http from ftp
(what?!??) and/or, in the case of a bunch of general education and
Scott,
Right, of course, but the problem still remains in a Windows world that,
if your web content requires downloading some program that nobody's ever
heard of, you've probably just cut-off 80%+ of your potential audience.
Maybe even 90%+ (Many will be precluded by lacking permissions on
I've been intimidated by the full blown Revolution package and now
feel a little more comfortable, especially in the area of the pocket
book, since Revolution Media has been introduced. I'm mainly
interested in using this product to produce educational training
material that features a
Greg Smith wrote:
I've been intimidated by the full blown Revolution package and now feel
a little more comfortable, especially in the area of the pocket book,
since Revolution Media has been introduced. I'm mainly interested in
using this product to produce educational training material
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