Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-23 Thread Jeff Reynolds
sorry i have been out on the water chasing whales for a couple of weeks and am behind in the rev list. Peter, I beg to differ on this point. Almost all my clients are poor educational and charitable orgs. the big thing here (which others have mentioned) is total cost of use of the equipmen

17 vs 15 was: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-19 Thread Stephen Barncard
Actually I have an agenda. I am planning of becoming the ruler of the world and will make everyone use the Pick operating system and 15" screens. I'll be more careful with my words. Yes, Stephen, I have used a 17" in an airplane other than 1st Class. It was tight, but doable. (In my opini

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-18 Thread Mick Collins
Paul (Looney), I have copied Stephen B's post, and your reply and my reply ... which was to Stephen's claim, not yours. Sorry, I should have addressed it with his name. I just thought that he was making a claim that was perhaps valid for him, but he was stating it as if his needs and eva

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-18 Thread Mick Collins
Yes, Stephen, I have used a 17" in an airplane other than 1st Class. It was tight, but doable. Have you ever used a laptop smaller than 17" anywhere but on an airplane? It is fine to speak from your experience, but don't speak from your experience as if it is the be all and end all of eve

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-18 Thread Mark Talluto
On Jul 16, 2007, at 3:37 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: On 7/16/07, Scott Rossi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'd say we're ready to move on, yes? OK, Mr. BuzzKill...I'll remember NOT to invite you to my next HoDown here in Austin ;-) (HoDown=place where we give away Mac Mini's to all ho attend)

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-16 Thread Sarah Reichelt
I know what you mean! I have two 20" monitors and there's never enough room! I couldn't live without CodeTek Virtual Desktop Pro. Evidently, the next MacOS will have something similar built in. Yes, I've played with it on a beta of Leopard. It's called Spaces and it works really well. As happ

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-16 Thread Chipp Walters
On 7/16/07, Scott Rossi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'd say we're ready to move on, yes? OK, Mr. BuzzKill...I'll remember NOT to invite you to my next HoDown here in Austin ;-) (HoDown=place where we give away Mac Mini's to all ho attend) ___ use-rev

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-16 Thread Scott Rossi
OK, some folks like the Mini, some folks don't. I'd say we're ready to move on, yes? Best Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-16 Thread Tereza Snyder
On Jul 16, 2007, at 3:06 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: Efficiency studies have shown that for every square inch of desktop space you give your staff, you save that many hand-to-mouse window resizing and moving operations, with significant productivity gains: it's about window space. They have don

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-16 Thread Sivakatirswami
Mick Collins wrote: I beg to differ. I use the (pre-Intel) 17" PowerBook (Apple) and because of what I use it for (math tutoring and educational development and demonstration) I could use a smaller laptop but that would not be "practical" for me for the tutoring aspect and no more "practical"

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-15 Thread Stephen Barncard
Have you ever tried to use a 17" laptop in an airplane? (First Class is cheating). "Practical" means on how much you have put up with moving it around.. You can shy away from any claims you like. I just speak from my experience. I beg to differ. I use the (pre-Intel) 17" PowerBook (Apple) an

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-15 Thread Chipp Walters
On 7/15/07, Peter Alcibiades <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Look, here is what I don't get: the combination of poor organizations, running Rev, and Minis. In fact, it seems positively grotesque. Hi Peter, I think you would agree, the Mac has long been the perceived leader in 'ease of use--ease

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-15 Thread SimPLsol
Mick, To whom was your letter addressed? Paul Looney ** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-15 Thread Mick Collins
I beg to differ. I use the (pre-Intel) 17" PowerBook (Apple) and because of what I use it for (math tutoring and educational development and demonstration) I could use a smaller laptop but that would not be "practical" for me for the tutoring aspect and no more "practical" for the development

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-15 Thread SimPLsol
My two cents worth:  We tried for years to save Hypercard, but Apple wouldn't budge.  Now we have revolution, which isn't better on all accounts, but in some ways it's lots better.  Maybe letting the Mini drop will enable Apple to bring out another model, not better in all accounts, but, in ge

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-15 Thread Mick Collins
My two cents worth: We tried for years to save Hypercard, but Apple wouldn't budge. Now we have revolution, which isn't better on all accounts, but in some ways it's lots better. Maybe letting the Mini drop will enable Apple to bring out another model, not better in all accounts, but, in gene

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-15 Thread Sarah Reichelt
I am not criticizing anyone who spends their own money on the thing. There is no accounting for tastes. If however its money that is devoted to a purpose that is being spent, and one is administering the funds, buying Minis strikes me as fiscally irresponsible to the point of immorality. While

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-15 Thread SimPLsol
Peter, No one has said that a Mini is for everyone. But a Mini is the least expensive way to run OS X on a new computer, something that is not at all possible with a PIII. It has the additional advantage for people developing on Rev that it will also run Windows and UNIX - so it is a nice "test

Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-15 Thread Peter Alcibiades
Oh dear, I have been biting my tongue for days on this one. And if only the thread would stop, I'd have succeeded in keeping quiet! Look, here is what I don't get: the combination of poor organizations, running Rev, and Minis. In fact, it seems positively grotesque. If what you want is to ru

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-15 Thread Jim Ault
On 7/12/07 1:30 PM, "Chipp Walters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My own personal saga re: the Mini. > I use 3 Duo mini's in a stack in the corner. No monitor, keyboard, or RAM upgrade. Timbuktu loaded on each. For less than $2000 USD, I have 3 Duo processors running 9 of my apps, since I need C

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-15 Thread Marian Petrides
Well, I must admit (ducking for cover), I'm using the 30 incher primarily as an HDTV (using an El Gato tuner), for watching videos and for (yes, I admit it!) playing games. "Apple TV, I don't need no steenkin' Apple TV, I've got my mini." :-))) The gaming function, in particular, pretty m

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-15 Thread Stephen Barncard
I think it also supports the 23 Cinema display. Unless one is editing video or doing real high rez graphics, this is the biggest practical size. Just as 15" is the biggest practical laptop... OK, I signed too. I rarely use my mini, preferring the MacBook Pro, but I still like having it. I t

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-15 Thread Marian Petrides
OK, I signed too. I rarely use my mini, preferring the MacBook Pro, but I still like having it. I thought about adding support for 30 inch Apple cinema display to the wish list (the mini currently drives a 20 inch cinema display but having it run the 30 incher would be fantastic!). However

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-15 Thread SimPLsol
Judy, I remember you telling me about "Katheryn" at one of the conferences. I agree that (despite possible allegations of "age discrimination") 600 year old people should not vote (so far the petition seems to be honest and I like that). Having studied her for "about 30 years", you may have lived

RE: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-15 Thread Lynn Fredricks
> Who will be ? > Paul Looney Lets hope noone is waiting for the opportunity ;-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution Ltd http://www.runrev.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-14 Thread Judy Perry
Paul, Sorry, "Katheryn" is my alternate persona (Katherine Roet Swynford, sister of the Philippa Roet who married the 14th C. poet Geoffrey Chaucer). I've studied her for about 30 years. I'm using her now as my normal addy is unavailable due to system update. I suspect a woman 600+ years dece

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-14 Thread Scott Kane
From: "Mark Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Who was 666? Or 664 (neighbour of the beast)? Aw - I think he unsubbed from the mailing list. Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubsc

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-14 Thread Mark Smith
Who was 666? Or 664 (neighbour of the beast)? :) Mark On 14 Jul 2007, at 19:34, Lynn Fredricks wrote: PS I'm sure you have a hundred good friends, anxious to vote when they know about the petition: www.petitiononline.com/macminsa/petition.html I scored the 999 position on the the petition :-)

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-14 Thread SimPLsol
Lynn, Who will be ? Paul Looney ** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subsc

RE: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-14 Thread Lynn Fredricks
> PS I'm sure you have a hundred good friends, anxious to vote > when they know about the petition: > www.petitiononline.com/macminsa/petition.html I scored the 999 position on the the petition :-) The Mac Mini is the only mac in my office. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Oper

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-14 Thread SimPLsol
Judy (Katheryn), Children, probably OK. Dog votes, phantom votes, duplicate votes, definitely not OK. As of this morning, only 8877 votes to go... When the time comes that we all need a 30" monitor just to see the opening splash screen in MS Word, those monitors will be $250 or less. I hope. Have

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-13 Thread Judy Perry
Paul, Perhaps I can cast votes legitimately for both of my 6-y.o. children? And less legitimately for our six chihuahuas? @;-) Rats. That's still only 8. No, I don't disagree with the 30" screens note, only that, well, "that'll be the day" budget-wise for our department. Judy On 7/13/07, [E

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-13 Thread SimPLsol
Judy, Sorry for the misapprobation and thanks for the vote. I suspect that, the way things are going, secretaries really will need 30" monitors in the (not to distant) future. ;-) When/if the time comes, I hope we don't have to buy Mac Pros to power them. Can you get nine more votes for "Save the

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-12 Thread Judy Perry
Hi Paul, Sorry to disappoint you, but I didn't make those (nice) comments. I think #962 must have made them. I know that my department secretaries would just fall over reading the claim that they "need" 30" monitors when we're just happy to have a f/t sysadmin hired (after a 2 or 3 year gap). B

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-12 Thread Chipp Walters
My own personal saga re: the Mini. I went to the Apple store to purchase one, just to have a Mac around to test on. After pricing it, vs the MacBook, it became clear the MacBook was a much better value. I forget the details, but AFAIRecall, after you upgraded the processor to Core Duo and added e

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-12 Thread Bill Marriott
Peter: Fear not: Ubuntu is running under Parallels on my MacBook :) http://wjm.org/linked/linux-on-macbook.png ...I might add I wouldn't consider doing that on a 512MB Mac Mini. > We note that you have: > > -- XP Pro > -- Vista > -- MacOS > > on your desk, and that's great. But, echoing Sherlo

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-12 Thread SimPLsol
Bill, For $1300 you could have most of the Macbook features and a better keyboard, a mouse, and a much larger monitor. And then, when you decided to upgrade, you could get the then current Mini for $599 (hopefully by then $499) - not another $1300 - and keep your good keyboard, mouse and monitor

Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-12 Thread Peter Alcibiades
Hi Bill, We note that you have: -- XP Pro -- Vista -- MacOS on your desk, and that's great. But, echoing Sherlock Holmes: "Did you notice, Watson, the curious thing about the Linux on Bill's desk?" "But, Holmes, there was no Linux on Bill's desk". "No my dear Watson, and that is the curious

Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-12 Thread Bill Marriott
Hi Paul, The 13" MacBook has a pleasing, compact form factor, too. And for $1300 gives you 1GB RAM, a 2.16 GHz Core 2 Duo, and 120 GB HD that is easily upgraded by a layman. (The specs spank the Mac Mini of the same price.) It sits, lid closed, nicely and silently on my desk, attached to an IOG

Why Save the Mac Mini

2007-07-12 Thread SimPLsol
WJM, 1) Regarding the "new Mini": MacOSRumors said there would be another edition of the Mini. Their track record for prediction has not been good. Their web site link to more info on this new computer has been broken for over a week. Apple Insider said that the Mini would be dropped. AIs track