Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-30 Thread Paul Davis
;>> names to whatever you might pick for new ones? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would be perfectly happy to see a new logo however. And the last >>>>> time I >>>>>>> looked, there were a lot more colors than just red or blue &

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-30 Thread Jan Lehnardt
ld be perfectly happy to see a new logo however. And the last >>>> time I >>>>>> looked, there were a lot more colors than just red or blue >>>>>> >>>>>> Kevin >>>>>> On Oct 30, 2014 6:11 AM, "Brad No

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Dan Santner
Catherine I went through almost the same thing at the same time except in a different field. My little experiment turned into a biz and then I left the corporate job and now my app/biz is taking off. I would miss that icon if it goes, but also think evolution is good. > On Oct 28, 2014, at 5

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Catherine Jones
This bike-shedding discussion seems almost played out, and I assume people will go on making practical decisions about databases with or without logos and mantras like "CouchDB has started, time to relax." So I should probably just shut up at this point. But it's hard to resist adding one more an

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Andy Wenk
l to come up with an alternative logo based on answers that > >> the community will them as to what exactly it is the brand should > portray. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Justin > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Thomas Lindgren [

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Alexander Shorin
up with an alternative logo based on answers that >> the community will them as to what exactly it is the brand should portray. >> >> Thanks, >> Justin >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Thomas Lindgren [mailto:u.thomas.lindg...@gmail.com] >&g

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Alexander Gabriel
ity will them as to what exactly it is the brand should > portray. > > > > Thanks, > > Justin > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Thomas Lindgren [mailto:u.thomas.lindg...@gmail.com] > > Sent: 28 October 2014 08:36 > > To: user@couchdb.apa

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Andrey Cherkashin
> > -Original Message- > From: Thomas Lindgren [mailto:u.thomas.lindg...@gmail.com] > Sent: 28 October 2014 08:36 > To: user@couchdb.apache.org > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo > > If you want to change the logo, I recommend doing it the > profession

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Robert Kowalski
with an alternative logo based on answers that > the community will them as to what exactly it is the brand should portray. > > Thanks, > Justin > > -Original Message- > From: Thomas Lindgren [mailto:u.thomas.lindg...@gmail.com] > Sent: 28 October 2014 08:36 > To: use

RE: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread justin
dgren [mailto:u.thomas.lindg...@gmail.com] Sent: 28 October 2014 08:36 To: user@couchdb.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo If you want to change the logo, I recommend doing it the professional/business way: putting up some money and hiring a good design firm. They've done it

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Matthieu Rakotojaona
Excerpts from Joan Touzet's message of 2014-10-28 01:27:44 +0100: > At 3 different conferences I've attended in 2014: CloudantCON 2014, > OSCON 2014 and Velocity NYC 2014, I've been approached by people > complaining about the CouchDB logo. The argument is that the logo looks > like a man who is po

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo / tagline / project name

2014-10-28 Thread Andy Wenk
Koalas are slow On 28 October 2014 16:48, Alexander Shorin wrote: > On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Miles Fidelman > wrote: > > Which suggests that the new logo should keep the couch, but replace the > man > > with a cute animal - in keeping with open source tradition. :-) > > > > Cat, Ko

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Robert Samuel Newson
I’ll add my +1 for a new logo to coincide with 2.0. B. > On 28 Oct 2014, at 17:22, Sinan Gabel wrote: > > Dear All! > > I just want to say that I really like everything about CouchDB, the > database, the documentation and the logo. > > Best, > Sinan > > On 28 October 2014 17:38, Maria wrot

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Sinan Gabel
Dear All! I just want to say that I really like everything about CouchDB, the database, the documentation and the logo. Best, Sinan On 28 October 2014 17:38, Maria wrote: > On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 08:33:13 -0500 > Bryan Green wrote: > > > I noticed you too seem to assume it is a man on the couch?

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Maria
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 08:33:13 -0500 Bryan Green wrote: > I noticed you too seem to assume it is a man on the couch? Also, I > am glad that you point out that the logo does not have anything to do > with your use of CouchDB-- that encourages me to think that it will > not be as big of an issue to

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo / tagline / project name

2014-10-28 Thread Rohrdanz,Mary A
I have no problems with the logo as is. But no joke: I was using CouchDB for a few months before I realized it was a man on a couch, and not a piece of abstract art. lolz. On 10/28/14, 10:39 AM, "Miles Fidelman" wrote: >Which suggests that the new logo should keep the couch, but replace the >ma

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo / tagline / project name

2014-10-28 Thread Alexander Shorin
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Which suggests that the new logo should keep the couch, but replace the man > with a cute animal - in keeping with open source tradition. :-) > > Cat, Koala, .. a few appropriate animals come to mind. Koalas are SO relaxed! (: Great idea! h

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo / tagline / project name

2014-10-28 Thread Miles Fidelman
Which suggests that the new logo should keep the couch, but replace the man with a cute animal - in keeping with open source tradition. :-) Cat, Koala, .. a few appropriate animals come to mind. Cheers, Miles Fidelman Alexander Shorin wrote: The "Time to Relax" is not only tagline, but also

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo / tagline / project name

2014-10-28 Thread Alexander Shorin
The "Time to Relax" is not only tagline, but also the goal to aim for. If you are not relaxed with CouchDB, probably, you just doing something wrong or should file an issue about (: -- ,,,^..^,,, On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Eric B wrote: > On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Joan Touzet wrot

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo / tagline / project name

2014-10-28 Thread Eric B
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Joan Touzet wrote: > A minority of individuals suggested that it may be time to change > the logo, the tagline and even the project name for various reasons. > If we're considering any of these steps, now would be the time to > figure that out -- prior to the imp

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo / tagline / project name

2014-10-28 Thread Joan Touzet
Cc: user@couchdb.apache.org Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:18:10 AM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo I am sure someone would find it offensive (maybe artists)? The point is that we can't decide what is offensive to someone else. We should do our best, within reason, to not o

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo / tagline / project name

2014-10-28 Thread Bryan Green
t; the topic of logo acceptability -- it's become clear to me that > there is no further useful discussion possible on that topic. > > Best regards, > Joan > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Bryan Green" > To: "Giovanni Parra"

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Bryan Green
In spirit of working with Giovanni on finding inspiration for a new logo: :-) He looks pretty relaxed. On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Giovanni P wrote: > After re-reading the first message of the thread I'm convinced that, > despite the present logo not being offensive in any way, it can

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Javier Candeira
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 1:18 AM, Bryan Green wrote: > Personally, I am not sure the Relax mantra is a good one anymore either. If it ever was. Before I ever started studying CouchDB and using it, I thought it was some kind of XML database. Why? Because of RELAX NG: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Bryan Green
I am sure someone would find it offensive (maybe artists)? The point is that we can't decide what is offensive to someone else. We should do our best, within reason, to not offend. Also, the you have to keep in mind that a brand logo is not just art. It has a particular use to get a branding me

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Giovanni P
After re-reading the first message of the thread I'm convinced that, despite the present logo not being offensive in any way, it can sometimes give a wrong impression. My humble suggestion is that we gather suggestions and, if we find none, maintain the logo. Otherwise change it. So here is my (s

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Lena Reinhard
I agree with Bryan – especially in the times of GamerGate, we should be even more aware of what we're doing than we should be anyway. And what we're talking about here isn't anything that's been made up, but concrete cases, and the fact they were brought up gives us a chance to react, ideally ap

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Alexander Shorin
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Giovanni P wrote: > If I declare myself offended (for no reason, because there is absolutely no > reason to be offended by the present logo) by the next logo you come up > with, will you change it? For no reason - no (: If you have a reasons it's good start to dis

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Giovanni P
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Et_selskab_af_danske_kunstnere_i_Rom.jpg is this offensive? On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Bryan Green wrote: > I would assume we would discuss it as we are now. > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 6:58 AM, Giovanni P wrote: > >> If I declare myself

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Bryan Green
I would assume we would discuss it as we are now. On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 6:58 AM, Giovanni P wrote: > If I declare myself offended (for no reason, because there is absolutely no > reason to be offended by the present logo) by the next logo you come up > with, will you change it? > > On Tue, Oct

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Bryan Green
I agree. We have a definite list of complaints about the position of the human figure on the couch. Let's fix that at least. If it is a man then it is a man. I may be a little overly sensitive to these matters currently thanks to #gamergate. B On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 6:33 AM, Bryan Green wro

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Giovanni P
If I declare myself offended (for no reason, because there is absolutely no reason to be offended by the present logo) by the next logo you come up with, will you change it? On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Alexander Shorin wrote: > On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Bryan Green > wrote: > > It

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Alexander Shorin
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Bryan Green wrote: > It may not offend you, but apparently it offends some people. This is a > bad thing for a logo. I think this is why it is rare for the human figure > to be common in most logos. Most keep logos very simple. There are 7 billion people on Ear

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Bryan Green
I noticed you too seem to assume it is a man on the couch? Also, I am glad that you point out that the logo does not have anything to do with your use of CouchDB-- that encourages me to think that it will not be as big of an issue to change it. It may not offend you, but apparently it offends som

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Maria
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 12:52:23 +0100 Lena Reinhard wrote: > Joan, thanks for sharing the experiences you had. I find it quite > interesting that it's been happening a few times even, and I'm glad > people shared their thoughts on it. > > First, as far as I perceive the topic, this is not just abou

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Jason Smith
and have some sort of styli > > From: Bryan Green > To: d...@couchdb.apache.org, Joan Touzet > Cc: user@couchdb.apache.org > Date: 10/27/2014 09:19 PM > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo > -- > > > > I think it would be interesting just to

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Lena Reinhard
Joan, thanks for sharing the experiences you had. I find it quite interesting that it's been happening a few times even, and I'm glad people shared their thoughts on it. First, as far as I perceive the topic, this is not just about the question if people just "like" the logo or don't. It's abou

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Bryan Green
When the image lacks detail to signify it is not a man it will be thought to be male. IRL. On Oct 28, 2014 5:54 AM, "Benoit Chesneau" wrote: > On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Nick North wrote: > > > I don't see anything offensive in the attitude of the man on the couch. > But > > I would be m

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Nick North wrote: > I don't see anything offensive in the attitude of the man on the couch. But > I would be more sympathetic to the complaint that it is definitely a man, > in a very male attitude, and that might be enough to put some women off > becoming involv

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Andy Wenk
On 28 October 2014 10:15, Nick North wrote: > I don't see anything offensive in the attitude of the man on the couch. But > I would be more sympathetic to the complaint that it is definitely a man, > in a very male attitude, and that might be enough to put some women off > becoming involved in th

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Nick North
I don't see anything offensive in the attitude of the man on the couch. But I would be more sympathetic to the complaint that it is definitely a man, in a very male attitude, and that might be enough to put some women off becoming involved in the community. Nick On 28 October 2014 08:35, Thomas L

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Thomas Lindgren
If you want to change the logo, I recommend doing it the professional/business way: putting up some money and hiring a good design firm. They've done it before and have a broader perspective. Basically, let them ask you the questions about the brand; no design back seat driving from you; choose amo

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Andy Wenk
Hi, first of all thanks to Joan for bringing this up. As Paul stated, if someone is feeling attacked we should discuss it. I have viewed (if not gazed) the logo for several minutes. I can understand that someone is seeing a man with a maybe vulgar attitude. I personally don't see that. The whole

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Pedro Narciso García Revington
I like the logo and I do not see the reason to change it. 2014-10-28 1:27 GMT+01:00 Joan Touzet : > At 3 different conferences I've attended in 2014: CloudantCON 2014, > OSCON 2014 and Velocity NYC 2014, I've been approached by people > complaining about the CouchDB logo. The argument is that the

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Javier Candeira
If the reclined dude has to go, why not someone of indeterminate gender on a Lotus pose? Nothing says 'relax' like yoga, at least in the popular imagination (I tried yoga once, and I was sweating inside 30 seconds). J On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Dan Santner wrote: > I actually like the curr

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-28 Thread Brad Noble
ot for the long-haul. If not relaxation, then what? From: Bryan Green To: d...@couchdb.apache.org, Joan Touzet Cc: user@couchdb.apache.org Date: 10/27/2014 09:19 PM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo I think it would be interesting just to get rid of the person

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-27 Thread Joan Touzet
Jens Alfke wrote: > Watch whom you're calling a jerk, please. Sorry, I was trying to be humorous, not malicious. I know text can be difficult with these things, so please take no offense. > Uh, you can't own a "concept". You can own a patent, copyright or trademark. Again, not speaking literall

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-27 Thread Paul Davis
Not for not, but BigCouch's "logo" has been sans human figure for nearly four years. This is from Adam Kocloski's slide deck at Erlang Factory SF, March 2011: http://f.cl.ly/items/3U0A1s0r361Z1Y3v1p1b/big-couch-logo.png That's just the earliest I can find it in a slide deck. I did find a few wher

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-27 Thread Jens Alfke
> On Oct 27, 2014, at 6:32 PM, Joan Touzet wrote: > > Interesting, but those CouchBase jerks already did it: Watch whom you're calling a jerk, please. > We might own the concept of Couch and the original red couch logo, Uh, you can't own a "concept". You can own a patent, copyright or tradema

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-27 Thread Dan Santner
I actually like the current logo as is. > On Oct 27, 2014, at 8:49 PM, Manokaran K wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 6:57 AM, Bryan Green wrote: >> I am not sure the logo has to have the meaning be so obvious. Looking at >> the world of other logos, it doesn't seem that meaning is that impo

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-27 Thread Manokaran K
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 6:57 AM, Bryan Green wrote: > I am not sure the logo has to have the meaning be so obvious. Looking at > the world of other logos, it doesn't seem that meaning is that important to > branding. The two primary uses of a couch is to have people sit on it or > lay on it. I

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-27 Thread Joan Touzet
ar to theirs. -Joan - Original Message - From: "Bryan Green" To: d...@couchdb.apache.org, "Joan Touzet" Cc: user@couchdb.apache.org Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 9:17:50 PM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo I think it would be interesting just to get rid

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-27 Thread Bryan Green
I am not sure the logo has to have the meaning be so obvious. Looking at the world of other logos, it doesn't seem that meaning is that important to branding. The two primary uses of a couch is to have people sit on it or lay on it. I am not sure showing someone sprawled on a couch helps anyone

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-27 Thread Andrey Cherkashin
My first thought was exactly the same. Whoever is sitting on that couch is as relaxed as it gets because one has nothing to worry about. Plus, if we go down this road — there is no signs that it’s man.  --  Andrey Cherkashin Sent with Airmail On October 27, 2014 at 6:22:22 PM, Giovanni P (fiat..

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-27 Thread Giovanni P
If the person is removed the slogan loses its meaning. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 11:17 PM, Bryan Green wrote: > I think it would be interesting just to get rid of the person altogether > and have some sort of stylized couch. > > Bryan Green aka "lispyone" > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Joan

Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-27 Thread Bryan Green
I think it would be interesting just to get rid of the person altogether and have some sort of stylized couch. Bryan Green aka "lispyone" On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Joan Touzet wrote: > At 3 different conferences I've attended in 2014: CloudantCON 2014, > OSCON 2014 and Velocity NYC 2014,

[DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo

2014-10-27 Thread Joan Touzet
At 3 different conferences I've attended in 2014: CloudantCON 2014, OSCON 2014 and Velocity NYC 2014, I've been approached by people complaining about the CouchDB logo. The argument is that the logo looks like a man who is posed in a suggestive way, or as one person put it, "showing you his crotch