I'm thinking you _still_ don't know what libel is, but feel free to
sue me.
Leave my employer out of it. As we're fond of saying, no jumping in.
If you'd rather I posted only from one of my non-work email accounts I'm
happy to do that as well if it makes you feel better.
If you'd like to
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I'm thinking you _still_ don't know what libel is, but feel free to
sue me.
Leave my employer out of it. As we're fond of saying, no jumping
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Let me get this right, he _told on you_ ... as in tattletale???
Yeah :D
Dave
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On 1/11/06, Dave Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you'd rather I posted only from one of my non-work email accounts
Better yet, take out a gmail account under a pseudonym, and then refer
to Dave Newton in the third person. :)
There's a reason why executioners wore a mask.
Al.
Let me get this right, he _told on you_ ... as in tattletale???
Opinion... If I were his employer, I would like to know what how he was
behaving if:
1) He was doing/posting things from a corporate email address that might
reflect badly on my company.
2) Spreading inflammatory comments while
Wait.
You're not Dave are you? :-)
B.
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There's a reason why executioners wore a mask.
Because they couldn't stand the smell of Dakota Jack? *snicker*
Well, I've said my two snide comments as the moon nears full so I'll return you
to your regularly scheduled code
discussions.
Regards,
David
P.S. Struts-Shale, that means you! ;)
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I'm thinking you _still_ don't know what libel is, but feel free to
sue me.
Leave my employer out of it. As we're fond of saying, no jumping
On 1/11/06, Brantley Hobbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You're not Dave are you? :-)
Dave's not here.
Al.
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Dakota Jack wrote:
The view controller is not a controller in the Web-MVC sense and is
completely misleading, in my opinion, Mark. So part of this just may be
who's dog is in the hunt?
The point of the tool-based and VB analogy is that JSF tries to hide from
you, to do it for you, what other
Dakota Jack wrote:
Just so you know, Alexandre Poitras, and others with similar tendencies,
calling someone a troll in a professional setting having to do with their
occupation almost certainly is an actionable per se libel with presumed
damages and linking the person doing the libel to any and
Sorry to repost this, but I wanted to know if I was the only one facing this
difficulty and if it's the case how to avoid it. Any thougts?
On 1/8/06, Alexandre Poitras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just a small correction below :
On 1/8/06, Alexandre Poitras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am
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On 1/7/06, Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
On 1/7/06, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ted Husted wrote:
An expert uses the best tool for the job. A journeyman wants one size
to fit all.
Blessed are those who get to make such decisions. There are
unfortunately many shops that decide what the proper technologies are
Just so you know, Alexandre Poitras, and others with similar tendencies,
calling someone a troll in a professional setting having to do with their
occupation almost certainly is an actionable per se libel with presumed
damages and linking the person doing the libel to any and all jurisdictions
From: Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Just so you know, Alexandre Poitras, and others with similar tendencies,
calling someone a troll in a professional setting having to do with their
occupation almost certainly is an actionable per se libel with presumed
damages and linking the person
Gary VanMatre wrote:
Very interesting, and only if as much intellectual collateral was spent
addressing technical issues...
Oh come on now Gary, that wouldn't be even HALF as entertaining;) LOL
Frank
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Very interesting, and only if as much intellectual collateral was
spent addressing technical issues...
Oh come on now Gary, that wouldn't be even HALF as entertaining;) LOL
Frank
Which certainly
Trollomic? Combination of Troll and Comic? One who is a troll and yet
makes you laugh at the same time?
Frank
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Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/08/2006 11:29:54 AM:
Gary VanMatre wrote:
Very interesting, and only if as much intellectual collateral
Just a small correction below :
On 1/8/06, Alexandre Poitras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am developping a navigation panel like the panel2 from tomahawk (I
had to offer some more features) and I like the way you can embedd
some navigation items tags (NavigationItem, NavigationItems) inside
the
acceptable
substitutes for generating working code
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I am developping a navigation panel like the panel2 from tomahawk (I
had to offer some more features) and I like the way you can embedd
some navigation items tags (NavigationItem, NavigationItems) inside
the navigation tag to specify the different elements of the panel.
Since the navigation model
JSF is page centric rather than Action centric. There is no controller as
you understand that in Struts with JSF. JSF is for a tool based, dumbed
down, approach: JSF is to Struts as Visual Basic is to C++.
On 1/6/06, Rick Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for the response, Craig. It's nice
On 1/7/06, Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
JSF is page centric rather than Action centric. There is no controller as
you understand that in Struts with JSF. JSF is for a tool based, dumbed
down, approach: JSF is to Struts as Visual Basic is to C++.
JSF is more page centric than struts,
The view controller is not a controller in the Web-MVC sense and is
completely misleading, in my opinion, Mark. So part of this just may be
who's dog is in the hunt?
The point of the tool-based and VB analogy is that JSF tries to hide from
you, to do it for you, what other frameworks, like
are more than acceptable
substitutes for generating working code
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substitutes for generating working code
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On 1/7/06, Dakota
On 1/7/06, Alexandre Poitras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you don't believe me, you can look in the famous pattern books out
there (Fowler, J2EE core patterns).
Some of which used Struts as one of the use cases to prove a pattern exists. :)
But, in the end, it is what it is. What we call a
Ted Husted wrote:
An expert uses the best tool for the job. A journeyman wants one size
to fit all.
Blessed are those who get to make such decisions. There are
unfortunately many shops that decide what the proper technologies are
*before* any project kicks off, all in the name of
On 1/7/06, Mark Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 1/7/06, Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
JSF is page centric rather than Action centric. There is no controller
as
you understand that in Struts with JSF. JSF is for a tool based, dumbed
down, approach: JSF is to Struts as Visual
On 1/7/06, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a JSF application, there's actually two ways to implement classic Front
Controller type functionality, such as send the user to the logon page if
they are not currently logged on:
Concrete examples will help make this clearer, so here
LOL I gave him the very same answer that you did, including the same
citations. The difference is that I did not gloss over the confusion you
have systematically engendered by not just owning up to the differences from
day one. You don't have to love something to explain it. Otherwise, who
Ok can we all ignore the troll and go back to the original subject...
Like Craig pointed out Rick, I think you should play around with JSF
first and then Shale.
The IBM serie Cleared FUD about JSF is a good introduction to. I
think one of the previous poster posted the link.
Shale is decomposed
Just a couple of comments intermixed below.
On 1/7/06, Alexandre Poitras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok can we all ignore the troll and go back to the original subject...
Like Craig pointed out Rick, I think you should play around with JSF
first and then Shale.
The IBM serie Cleared FUD about
Hi. I've done a couple of industrial-strength websites using Struts,
Tiles JSTL. I decided to start on a little personal project, mostly
as a way to get on board with some technologies, some of which I've
used before (maven 1/2, torque), some which I want to learn (JSF,
Shale).
I looked
On 1/6/06, Rick Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi. I've done a couple of industrial-strength websites using Struts,
Tiles JSTL. I decided to start on a little personal project, mostly
as a way to get on board with some technologies, some of which I've
used before (maven 1/2, torque), some
Thanks for the response, Craig. It's nice to get an answer from THE
authority :-). Questions below...
On Jan 6, 2006, at 5:16 PM, Craig McClanahan wrote:
I'd definitely ignore anything about prereleases of JSF 1.0 ...
that has
been out for nearly two years now. A good starting place for
I should clarify: not all our Actions are just glue. They perform
significant work when such work is constrained to the website needs
(choosing what data to display). When it comes to purchases and
registration, however, they are more like glue, even even more so
when some functions are
On 1/6/06, Rick Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for the response, Craig. It's nice to get an answer from THE
authority :-). Questions below...
On Jan 6, 2006, at 5:16 PM, Craig McClanahan wrote:
I'd definitely ignore anything about prereleases of JSF 1.0 ...
that has
been out for
Craig, do you have this posted anywhere other than here on this list?
This is a great summary that I've actually been looking for, so I'm glad
I peeked into this thread. Thanks.
You should add this to your blog somewhere or it should be on JSF
Central. I'd like to bookmark it.
Craig
Rick Mann wrote:
Okay, I'll try to find a hello world JSF example. That might be enough
for me to build on.
One series of articles from IBM that I found very helpful when I first
started looking at JSF (thanks Wendy for linking them!) can be found
here, if you're still looking for a good
On 1/6/06, Rick R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Craig, do you have this posted anywhere other than here on this list?
This is a great summary that I've actually been looking for, so I'm glad
I peeked into this thread. Thanks.
You should add this to your blog somewhere or it should be on JSF
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