Re: COCOON-1887 (was: Getting started with C2.2 -- where's the exception information?)

2009-02-23 Thread Joerg Heinicke
On 30.01.2009 18:04, Andy Stevens wrote: I uploaded https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COCOON-1887 2 1/2 years ago and it's still waiting, even though it's a relatively trivial change and only about half a dozen lines of code if you ignore the comments and unit test :-( Hey Andy, this

Re: COCOON-1887 (was: Getting started with C2.2 -- where's the exception information?)

2009-02-23 Thread Andy Stevens
2009/2/23 Joerg Heinicke joerg.heini...@gmx.de: Hey Andy, this particular patch has been applied. Thanks, Joerg That's great; thanks. Andy. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@cocoon.apache.org For additional

Re: Getting started with C2.2 -- where's the exception information?

2009-02-21 Thread Joerg Heinicke
On 30.01.2009 18:04, Andy Stevens wrote: Nobody said 2.1 is dead, it is clearly (IMHO) in maintenance mode. Sounds good in theory, but the big assumption is that submitted patches might actually be applied. I uploaded https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COCOON-1887 2 1/2 years ago and it's

Re: Getting started with C2.2 -- where's the exception information?

2009-02-04 Thread Derek Hohls
Andreas No; I did not say that I thought 2.1 *was* unsupported, just that I hoped it would not be. Believe me, I do really appreciate the generous effort and commitment from the experts that helps out those of who do not get all the nuances as quickly. I also did not take any offence - the

Re: Getting started with C2.2 -- where's the exception information?

2009-02-03 Thread Andreas Hartmann
Klortho schrieb: dhohls wrote: That's a little harsh - although my impression is that C2.2 is perhaps a step sideways in terms of how many things are done... but that's just an impression from reading all the mailing list QA. So far, I have not needed to take the plunge. Yes, you're

Re: Getting started with C2.2 -- where's the exception information?

2009-02-03 Thread Derek Hohls
Andreas Do you want the short reply or the long reply :) Short: There needs to be room in the Cocoon universe for 2.1 users as well as 2.2 users. Long: This is the classic issue isn't it!? Certainly we are beset by the culture of the new at present; where new == better - be it cellphones,

Re: Getting started with C2.2 -- where's the exception information?

2009-02-03 Thread Andreas Hartmann
Hi Derek, Derek Hohls schrieb: […] I agree from a *marketing* perspective that putting buzzwords on your site is a way to attract new users - especially those who might otherwise be going to .NET or Ruby-on-Rails - not that I mean to imply the developers are doing this for that reason

Re: Getting started with C2.2 -- where's the exception information?

2009-02-03 Thread DAVIGNON Andre - CETE NP/DIODé/PANDOC
Hi, For us, as a project depending on Cocoon, it is crucial that Cocoon doesn't cling to dead (as in language) concepts and frameworks as XSP and Avalon, however proven and stable they may be. To attract new community members, it's very important to keep looking beyond one's own nose and

Re: Getting started with C2.2 -- where's the exception information?

2009-01-30 Thread Benjamin Boksa
Hi Klortho, What happened to the really nice exception pages? Is there any way I can get them back? Have you looked at http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/core-modules/core/2.2/1379_1_1.html ? - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: Getting started with C2.2 -- where's the exception information?

2009-01-30 Thread Bart Remmerie
It's not only about taking the road less traveled ... certainly not if you get the impression that it seems to be going the wrong way. I am convinced that a lot of cocoon users were convinced that cocoon was powerful useful ... until 2.2 We all know Cocoon has a rather steep learning curve, but

Re: Getting started with C2.2 -- where's the exception information?

2009-01-30 Thread DAVIGNON Andre - CETE NP/DIODé/PANDOC
Hi all, I sometimes feel there is unfortunately no constructive debate about this topic (2.1 vs 2.2). And as you say, Bart, blaming people who remain unsatisfied with 2.2 seems to be the answer though it's a bit easy. For example, I have a lot of Cocoon apps with many XSP and Cocoon 2.2

Re: Getting started with C2.2 -- where's the exception information?

2009-01-30 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 4:41 PM, DAVIGNON Andre - CETE NP/DIODé/PANDOC andre.davig...@developpement-durable.gouv.fr wrote: ...I have a lot of Cocoon apps with many XSP and Cocoon 2.2 does not support XSP. I don't know what to do with this apps in the future when 2.1 is no longer supported

Re: Getting started with C2.2 -- where's the exception information?

2009-01-30 Thread Grzegorz Kossakowski
Klortho pisze: Well, thanks much for the suggestion, but it didn't work. I did some experimenting, and tried pulling this out of a 2.1 sitemap and inserting it at the top of my new sitemap: map:components map:generators default=file map:generator name=exception

Re: Getting started with C2.2 -- where's the exception information?

2009-01-30 Thread Grzegorz Kossakowski
Grzegorz Kossakowski pisze: AFAIR this is a fix for this regression. It has been incorporated in released version yet, unfortunately. Should be: It has been NOT incorporated in released version yet, unfortunately. -- Grzegorz Kossakowski

Re: Getting started with C2.2 -- where's the exception information?

2009-01-30 Thread Andy Stevens
2009/1/30 Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org: On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 4:41 PM, DAVIGNON Andre - CETE NP/DIODé/PANDOC andre.davig...@developpement-durable.gouv.fr wrote: 2.1 can stay supported as long as people support it ;-) Former colleagues of mine are still maintaining 2.1 apps

Re: Getting started with C2.2 -- where's the exception information?

2009-01-30 Thread Klortho
I for one think that when releasing a new version, a lot of deference should be given to the newbie. Don't make it harder to get started using. Dropping old deprecated features might be fine, but 2.1, in addition to the nice exception pages, had a very nice welcome page with lots of links to

Getting started with C2.2 -- where's the exception information?

2009-01-29 Thread Klortho
Hi, I'm revisiting Cocoon after a long hiatus, and getting started with maven and C2.2. The first thing I've noticed is that the really nice exception pages are completely gone. Now, if I have a problem in my sitemap or in an XSLT, for example, all I can see is the stack trace in the console

RE: Getting started with C2.2 -- where's the exception information?

2009-01-29 Thread Robby Pelssers
: Klortho [mailto:voldr...@gmail.com] Sent: donderdag 29 januari 2009 22:57 To: users@cocoon.apache.org Subject: Getting started with C2.2 -- where's the exception information? Hi, I'm revisiting Cocoon after a long hiatus, and getting started with maven and C2.2. The first thing I've noticed

RE: Getting started with C2.2 -- where's the exception information?

2009-01-29 Thread Klortho
Robby Pelssers-2 wrote: Try adding map:handle-errors map:generate type=exception/ map:serialize type=xml/ /map:handle-errors To the pipeline. Well, thanks much for the suggestion, but it didn't work. I did some experimenting, and tried

RE: Getting started with C2.2 -- where's the exception information?

2009-01-29 Thread Derek Hohls
That's a little harsh - although my impression is that C2.2 is perhaps a step sideways in terms of how many things are done... but that's just an impression from reading all the mailing list QA. So far, I have not needed to take the plunge. On 2009/01/30 at 01:51, in message

RE: Getting started with C2.2 -- where's the exception information?

2009-01-29 Thread Klortho
dhohls wrote: That's a little harsh - although my impression is that C2.2 is perhaps a step sideways in terms of how many things are done... but that's just an impression from reading all the mailing list QA. So far, I have not needed to take the plunge. Yes, you're right ... too

RE: Getting started with C2.2 -- where's the exception information?

2009-01-29 Thread Derek Hohls
You may be correct; but I have never felt that Cocoon was striving for acceptance. It simply is what it is; and you either find it incredibly powerful and useful ... or become a mainstream php/ruby developer. If you are here, its because you have taken the road (development route?!) less