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Typo there. Obviously you meant to say "non-proprietary."
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On 2 Dec 2013, at 4:32 am, Urmas wrote:
> "James Knott":
>
>> Ever hear of Linux?
>
> Linux is a clone of UNIX, an epitome of a proprietary operating system.
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El 2013-11-30 12:03 a.m., fos escribió:
How can I set the date format in Writer so that whenever I select
INSERT->FIELDS->DATE it will insert a hard
December 31, 1999 (for example) instead of the 12/31/99 which is totally
inappropriate for correspondence.
I wish too, have a configurable date fo
On 12/01/2013 04:41 PM, Regina Henschel wrote:
you can look into the spec
http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/os/OpenDocument-v1.2-os-part1.html#__RefHeading__1418758_253892949
o, smart! I had not considered looking at the spec! :-)
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On 2013-12-02 08:41, jomali wrote:
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 4:44 AM, Robert Baker wrote:
Version: 4.1.3.2
Build ID: 70feb7d99726f064edab4605a8ab84
0c50ec57a
Libre Office Writer:
The ability to draw and erase lines in tables is missing, hence for
instance it is not possible (that I know of) to
On 2013-11-29 14:38, Peter West wrote:
I suspect that at least part of the problem here is that it is sometimes
difficult to see - especially with an inherited document - exactly how
formatting has been applied and consequently how it might be removed.
The problem is that _some_ formatting s
Thanks to both Andrew and Regina, I think I am moving in the right direction.
Regards,
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Regina Henschel wrote:
> Hi Kevin,
>
> Kevin O'Brien schrieb:
>
>> Is there a source for detailed information on frame positioning in Writer?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>
> you can look i
Hi Kevin,
Kevin O'Brien schrieb:
Is there a source for detailed information on frame positioning in Writer?
Thanks,
you can look into the spec
http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/os/OpenDocument-v1.2-os-part1.html#__RefHeading__1418758_253892949
Or do you need it in a macro?
Kind regard
On 11/30/2013 08:38 PM, Kevin O'Brien wrote:
Is there a source for detailed information on frame positioning in Writer?
Thanks,
Let me provide some context around Mr. O'Brien.
1. He is very smart.
2. He is well versed with OpenOffice. Sufficiently well versed, that I
have seen him (in person
can you insert the formula into a frame and then give the frame a border?
On 11/30/2013 05:01 PM, Gary Kline wrote:
Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986.
Of_Interest: With 27 years of service to the Unix community.
hi guys,
I've tried everything
On 11/30/2013 05:17 PM, Kevin O'Brien wrote:
I am having trouble understanding the difference between these two
options. I think I get anchoring to a page, and anchoring as a
character is pretty clear. But I have not yet grokked how to paragraph
and to character are different. Can anyone enlighte
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 4:44 AM, Robert Baker wrote:
> Version: 4.1.3.2
> Build ID: 70feb7d99726f064edab4605a8ab84
> 0c50ec57a
>
> Libre Office Writer:
>
> The ability to draw and erase lines in tables is missing, hence for
> instance it is not possible (that I know of) to use Writer to create an
"James Knott":
Ever hear of Linux?
Linux is a clone of UNIX, an epitome of a proprietary operating system.
it's the OS used on the space station.
Proven a hoax by Agency.
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"Tom Davies":
...Rtf never achieved MS's promise of being an interoperable
format either.
RTF is just a textual dump of document structures. It is as close to
lossless interchange format as it can be.
However ODF is a lot more secure
All text formats are secure as they do not contain machi
Hi :)
I think the largest company in the eco-system is beginning to be TDF!
IBM is larger but it doesn't seem to want to be a big name in office
desktops.
Does the ODF Alliance still exist? Their website seems to be dead or
perhaps just very out-of-date. Perhaps people from TDF could get
involve
Hi :)
We don't all agree on anything very much. It's only through
discussions that we arrive at a mutual understanding. One of the
great things about FOSS, imo, is that we can all have very different
ideas about how to do things and yet work together. It's often
precisely because someone thinks
On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 19:20:03 -0500
"Virgil Arrington" wrote:
> I wouldn't consider it either cunning or holding people hostage to
> provide them with a free trial of software that is otherwise only
> available for a price. That, indeed, has been the essence of
> shareware -- try before you buy. A
Well, I've been at a couple of companies which most definitely *did not*
allow you to install the software at home. That wasn't part of the
license terms, and they only had enough seats for those that needed the
software. For some products, Visio being one I recall, I couldn't even
install that at
Jonathan wrote:
Assuming the organization is not SoHo sized, or smaller, unless the
person negotiating with Microsoft for licenses is a complete idiot, the
license will allow for each employee to install MSO on their home
computer, for the duration of their employment, or the corporate license
James wrote:
No PC-Write??? ;-)
Oh, stab me in the heart. My 64 bit computer tells me it won't run PC-Write
(yes, I've tried). Also, my printers won't recognize DOS printer drivers. At
any rate, PC-Write's document files were simple ASCII files with a few
formatting codes thrown in; quite
Marco . Fioretti wrote:
>> Assuming the organization is not SoHo sized, or smaller, unless the person
>> negotiating with Microsoft for licenses is a complete idiot, the license
>> will allow for each employee to install MSO on their home computer, for the
>> duration of their employment, or
On 01/12/13 14:14, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
> Today, things are very different:
> - the ODF ecosystem is not so unified (and to explain why probably
> needs a whitepaper)
Unfortunately, the largest company in the ecosystem is now focused on
other objectives, and has been instrumental in splitti
LibreOffice as a BRAND is growing stronger every day.
It is easily recognized once it has been introduced.
When the name was chosen it must have been uppermost in the TDF mindset that
they were creating a brand..
Promoting the Brand is surely what matters to all who want to see
LibreOffice succeed.
Le Sun, 1 Dec 2013 16:11:03 +0100,
"M. Fioretti" a écrit :
> On Sun, Dec 01, 2013 14:14:50 PM +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
>
> > as you know there was a time when the ecosystem was much stronger
> > and unified to promote ODF.
> >
> > Today, things are very different:
> > - the ODF ecosystem
On Sun, Dec 01, 2013 14:14:50 PM +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
> as you know there was a time when the ecosystem was much stronger
> and unified to promote ODF.
>
> Today, things are very different:
> - the ODF ecosystem is not so unified (and to explain why probably
> needs a whitepaper)
so
On Sun, Dec 01, 2013 11:41:58 AM +, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> Retraining to use the ribbon-bar is easier than reformating tons of
> documents but why reformat them? It's possible to keep the old
> version of MS Office and install LibreOffice alongside it.
>
> Then new things can be graduall
On 11/30/2013 3:44 PM, James Knott wrote:
Urmas wrote:
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...and then hold [created documents]
hostage, until the users coughs up for MS Office.
There is immense number of software capable import DOC files, due to
their f
I'm thinking we've got troll-sighting
On 11/30/2013 10:25 AM, jomali wrote:
Once again, Umas, you set up a straw man and demolish him!
FOSS means "Free and Open Source Software". It doesn't necessarily refer to
software created by some pure amateur in his garage. As long as the creator
(comme
For What It's Worth:
I am using Writer Version: 4.1.3.2 (Build ID:
70feb7d99726f064edab4605a8ab840c50ec57a) on 64 bit Ubuntu Linux 12.04 LTS,
and use tables extensively with and without borders and with mixed borders,
but haven't run into any problems with border lines.
Can you mention what OS et
Hello Marco,
Le Sun, 1 Dec 2013 11:54:27 +0100,
"M. Fioretti" a écrit :
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 11:38:12 AM +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
>
> > > So Marco's personal beef with "continuing to promote the software
> > > ahead of the format" kinda misses the point that we never really
> > > put a
Virgil Arrington wrote:
> So, my computer has Office (Starter version), LO *and* WordPerfect, so
> I can talk to just about anybody.
No PC-Write??? ;-)
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Marco wrote:
... because nobody, including many FOSS advocates, bothers enough
to demand open file formats?
My guess is that those of us who use LO in general, and those of us on this
list, in particular, are a little more computer savvy than the typical
office worker using MS-Office. When s
Paolo,
First off, every company has periodic changes in ui and features when
they upgrade. I'd be concerned if somebody was offering me an upgrade
that looked and worked exactly like the previous version. Also, using
the term steal in regards to discounted prices is more than a bit
inflammatory.
Hi :)
+1
Sadly that does seem to be true but having done the shock&awe and
grabbed their attention it's time to consider getting back to reality
Regards from
Tom :)
On 1 December 2013 10:31, M. Fioretti wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 10:57:05 AM -0500, Felmon Davis wrote:
>
>> I concur that the
Hi :)
Retraining to use the ribbon-bar is easier than reformating tons of
documents but why reformat them? It's possible to keep the old
version of MS Office and install LibreOffice alongside it.
Then new things can be gradually moved to LibreOffice. Migration
rather than switch-over.
The Libre
On 12/1/2013 6:09 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
Have you tried documentation
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
and the Faq?
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq
Regards from
Tom :)
Tom, I looked through the TOC and did a search for "frame" and
"frames" and did n
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 17:27:19 PM -0500, James Knott wrote:
> M. Fioretti wrote:
> > *Big* charities often have the problems that Jonathon said. Very
> > small organizations, instead, need to spend zero time/money on
> > maintaining/re-learning the software they have to use, because it
> > would be
Hi :)
Have you tried documentation
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
and the Faq?
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq
Regards from
Tom :)
On 1 December 2013 01:38, Kevin O'Brien wrote:
> Is there a source for detailed information on frame positioning in Writer?
>
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 11:38:12 AM +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
> > So Marco's personal beef with "continuing to promote the software
> > ahead of the format" kinda misses the point that we never really put
> > any effort into promoting the program. Any such effort used to be
> > severely hamper
Version: 4.1.3.2
Build ID: 70feb7d99726f064edab4605a8ab84
0c50ec57a
Libre Office Writer:
The ability to draw and erase lines in tables is missing, hence for
instance it is not possible (that I know of) to use Writer to create an
echelon table such as a table of dominoes (see attached image for an
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 10:57:05 AM -0500, Felmon Davis wrote:
> I concur that the rhetoric about drug-dealing is too heated and is
> inaccurate.
even if that were true, in most practical cases is the most effective,
if not simply the ONLY way, to make ordinary computer users pay
attention for at le
Hi :)
Errr, just to highlight the point that while i think Doc (NOT DocX) is
the best format for file-sharing right now it is not a good
future-proof format for long-term storage. ODF is better for storage
because it's implementation is closer to the specifications drawn up
as it's ISO standard.
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 12:15:53 PM -0800, tk wrote:
>
> >or quietly being given, a copy of an employer's software meant that
> MS Office products gained near-ubiquity.
> Assuming the organization is not SoHo sized, or smaller, unless the
> person negotiating with Microsoft for licenses is a complete
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