On 21/04/2012 16:58, Ian Whitfield wrote:
So what can be causing the problem??
I'm a little despondent - over a week since I started this exercise and
I'm still nowhere. Also 3 days since my last post and no suggestions.
Can anyone help me out??
I stand at the point of having HSQLDB2.2.8
On Mon, 2012-04-23 at 11:31 +0200, Ian Whitfield wrote:
On 21/04/2012 16:58, Ian Whitfield wrote:
So what can be causing the problem??
I'm a little despondent - over a week since I started this exercise and
I'm still nowhere. Also 3 days since my last post and no suggestions.
Can
On 20/04/2012 18:51, Alexander Thurgood wrote:
Check the permissions on your /software folder and also the permissions
on the hsqldb folder and any files in it. The jar file at least, needs
to have the executable bit set.
OK - one step at a time I guess
I checked the permissions on the
Le 21/04/12 10:28, Ian Whitfield a écrit :
Hi Ian,
On 20/04/2012 18:51, Alexander Thurgood wrote:
Check the permissions on your /software folder and also the permissions
on the hsqldb folder and any files in it. The jar file at least, needs
to have the executable bit set.
You only needed to
On 21/04/2012 10:48, Alexander Thurgood wrote:
1) Remove the links that you added to the Classpath parameter to :
/opt/libreoffice3.5/programs/classes/hsqldb.jar
/opt/libreoffice3.5/programs/classes/sdbc_hsqldb.jar
LO already knows where to find them. From what you describe as your
actions, you
In addition to what I wrote a couple of hours back - I have just tried a
couple of other things...
I linked the class path to the two files mentioned in the Error Box. LO
accepted both of them OK AND popped-up a box warning me to re-start LO
and then worked fine. BUT both are linked to the
Am 21.04.2012 15:46, Ian Whitfield wrote:
This leaves me wondering if the .jre file is at fault. It's new, (I
downloaded it yesterday), and is 1.4Mb in size??
This is the md5sum of my working hsqldb-2.2.8.zip:
$ md5sum ~/download/hsqldb-2.2.8.zip
8b7668689cd208867c77f2f4d77922de
On 21/04/2012 16:08, Andreas Säger wrote:
Am 21.04.2012 15:46, Ian Whitfield wrote:
This leaves me wondering if the .jre file is at fault. It's new, (I
downloaded it yesterday), and is 1.4Mb in size??
This is the md5sum of my working hsqldb-2.2.8.zip:
$ md5sum ~/download/hsqldb-2.2.8.zip
:)
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From: Ian Whitfield whitfi...@telkomsa.net
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problems importing an OO database into LO
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Saturday, 21 April, 2012, 14:46
In addition to what I wrote a couple of hours
Am 21.04.2012 18:58, Mark Stanton wrote:
Copying the structure and data in one go, as offered by the import
wizard, never creates any auto-ID fields.
Would this be a sensible improvement to make?
Mark Stanton
One small step for mankind...
Hello Mark,
Yes, it would be useful to have more
El 20/04/12 1:18, Andreas Säger escribió:
Am 19.04.2012 20:45, Pertti Rönnberg wrote:
LibO-folks,
From this long and very interesting thread and some other discussions
on this mailing list too, together with my own recent experiences, there
is only one main conclusion to draw:
There is no
On 20/04/2012 01:18, Andreas Säger wrote:
There are not many users who suffer from the limited capabilities of
HSQL 1.8.
A high risk of total data loss is the main reason why one must not use
the embedded database. Getting an embedded database out of the jail is
easy enough.
OK Andreas (or
Am 20.04.2012 10:48, Ian Whitfield wrote:
On 20/04/2012 01:18, Andreas Säger wrote:
There are not many users who suffer from the limited capabilities of
HSQL 1.8.
A high risk of total data loss is the main reason why one must not use
the embedded database. Getting an embedded database out of
On 20.4.2012 11:00, MiguelAngel wrote:
One for you.
Much users even don't read the program's help.
A light read over all the help, shows very well what the program can
do and how, many samples there, and also can solve the majority of the
cuestions on daily use.
To drive a car is needed a
On 20/04/2012 14:57, Andreas Säger wrote:
1) Download and extract the latest HSQLDB to some place. No
installation required.
2) Point the Class Path setting in the LibreOffice Java options to
hsqldb.jar in your subdirectory lib.
Thanks Andreas
OK
Step 1. Done (I downloaded and extracted
On Friday 20 April 2012, 16:54:54 Pertti Rönnberg wrote:
On 20.4.2012 11:00, MiguelAngel wrote:
One for you.
Much users even don't read the program's help...
May I correct you, you do not need a license for driving a car...
Pertti, the problem is, that software usability today in most
Le 20/04/2012 18:17, Nino Novak a écrit :
Pertti, the problem is, that software usability today in most cases is still
far from being intuitive.
I fully share this. Though some (eyes looking to Redmond) claim
computing is intuitive, I'm seeing everyday that it is *not* and that
using a
/4/12, Nino Novak nn.l...@kflog.org wrote:
From: Nino Novak nn.l...@kflog.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problems importing an OO database into LO
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 20 April, 2012, 17:17
On Friday 20 April 2012, 16:54:54 Pertti Rönnberg wrote:
On 20.4.2012
Le 20/04/2012 16:48, Ian Whitfield a écrit :
On 20/04/2012 14:57, Andreas Säger wrote:
1) Download and extract the latest HSQLDB to some place. No
installation required.
2) Point the Class Path setting in the LibreOffice Java options to
hsqldb.jar in your subdirectory lib.
Thanks Andreas
OK
Le 20/04/2012 18:30, Tom Davies a écrit :
Hi :) I think that's a tad unfair. People have grown-up learning
MS's ways of doing things and so intuitive means doing things MS's
way, ie the ways that encourages a proliferation of viruses and
causes slowdowns and encourages bad-habits.
Intuitive?
Hi :)
+1
I can definitely agree with this! Well said! :)
Regards from
Tom :)
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From: Jean-Francois Nifenecker jean-francois.nifenec...@laposte.net
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problems importing
Le 20/04/12 16:48, Ian Whitfield a écrit :
Hi Ian,
OK
Step 1. Done (I downloaded and extracted hsqldb 2.2.8 to my 'software'
folder)
Step 2. The lib folder is under root and all files are grey-ed out in
Class Path??
Why are you trying to put the jar in your root's lib folder, or are you
Am 20.04.2012 14:08, Mark Stanton wrote:
Hi Ian,
The easy version is :-
1) Open your database with the HSQLDB embedded data.
2) In a separate window, create a new database with any other kind of
data engine.
3) Drag the tables from the embedded database to the new database,
one by one.
Am 20.04.2012 16:48, Ian Whitfield wrote:
/home/ian/software/hsqldb-2.2.8/hsqldb/lib/hsqldb.jar
menu:ToolsOptionsJava
Button Class Path
Button Add Archive and point to the above one.
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Le 20/04/2012 18:17, Nino Novak a écrit :
Pertti, the problem is, that software usability today in most cases
is still
far from being intuitive.
I fully share this. Though some (eyes looking to Redmond) claim
computing is intuitive,
Am 19.04.2012 13:00, ptoye wrote:
Mark Stanton wrote
I think I'm being misunderstood here. I've never mentioned trying to link
Base and Word - that's not something I want to do.
You do it all the time. All of your input forms are attached to Writer
documents.
All I originally asked
Andreas Säger wrote
Am 19.04.2012 13:00, ptoye wrote:
I think I'm being misunderstood here. I've never mentioned trying to link
Base and Word - that's not something I want to do.
You do it all the time. All of your input forms are attached to Writer
documents.
All I originally
, Alexander Thurgoodalex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Alexander Thurgoodalex.thurg...@gmail.com
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problems importing an OO database into LO
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Wednesday, 18 April, 2012, 10:05
Le 17/04/12 18:14, Andreas Säger a écrit :
Hi all
Am 19.04.2012 20:45, Pertti Rönnberg wrote:
LibO-folks,
From this long and very interesting thread and some other discussions
on this mailing list too, together with my own recent experiences, there
is only one main conclusion to draw:
There is no real future forLibO's Base module, perhaps
Le 17/04/12 18:14, Andreas Säger a écrit :
Hi all,
The easiest improvements in my honest opinion:
- Wipe out the .odb container all together and get back to the
configuration of database access in OOo 1. Back to external databases
with configuration data in configuration files, forms and
Le 17/04/12 20:13, ptoye a écrit :
Is there any point in suggesting that LibO and OO should continue to
diverge? I'd have thought convergence would be more productive, both in
terms of the development which seems too thinly spread, and for users who
might even see a serious contender
Le 17/04/12 11:28, Ian Whitfield a écrit :
Hi Ian,
While I might agree with your statements with regard to the integrated
use of HSQLDB, I would differ with regard to hooking up Base to various
server backends, which in my experience do work rather well on the
whole, albeit with tweaking, and
wrote:
From: Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problems importing an OO database into LO
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Wednesday, 18 April, 2012, 10:17
Le 17/04/12 11:28, Ian Whitfield a écrit :
Hi Ian,
While I might agree with your statements
On 18/04/2012 11:17, Alexander Thurgood wrote:
Le 17/04/12 11:28, Ian Whitfield a écrit :
Hi Ian,
While I might agree with your statements with regard to the integrated
use of HSQLDB, I would differ with regard to hooking up Base to various
server backends, which in my experience do work
are happier
and growing faster.
Regards from
Tom :)
--- On Wed, 18/4/12, Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problems importing an OO database into LO
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Wednesday, 18
.
Regards from
Tom :)
--- On Wed, 18/4/12, Fernand Vanrie s...@pmgroup.be wrote:
From: Fernand Vanrie s...@pmgroup.be
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problems importing an OO database into LO
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Wednesday, 18 April, 2012, 10:55
On 17/04/2012 23:58, Andreas
...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problems importing an OO database into LO
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Wednesday, 18 April, 2012, 10:05
Le 17/04/12 18:14, Andreas Säger a écrit :
Hi all,
The easiest improvements in my
NoOp wrote
On 04/15/2012 08:58 AM, David wrote:
...
What database doe you think works better than OpenOffice or LibreOffice?
Pick.
I don't have any views on this matter.
I vaguely remember that Lotus Approach allowed far more flexibility in
allowing updates to multiple tables,
Am 17.04.2012 10:52, ptoye wrote:
Access allows update queries, which are sadly missing from LO/OO.
Why can't you run SQL update queries? This is trivial to do in SQL. The
SQL is trivial to execute by macro.
If you desparately want a graphical query designer for
update/insert/delete
On 04/15/2012 08:58 AM, David wrote: ...
What database doe you think works better than OpenOffice or LibreOffice?
I don't have any views on this matter.
After using OO/LO Base for over 5 years now I gave up last month after
the latest crash. It has been an ongoing battle to keep my DB
Andreas Säger wrote
Why can't you run SQL update queries? This is trivial to do in SQL. The
SQL is trivial to execute by macro.
If you desparately want a graphical query designer for
update/insert/delete queries, then you should write one and store your
queries somewhere in the .odb
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Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problems importing an OO database into LO
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Tuesday, 17 April, 2012, 10:28
On 04/15/2012 08:58 AM, David wrote: ...
What database doe you think works better than OpenOffice or
LibreOffice?
I don't
Hi :)
Dohhh, that last post was meant to be off-list!!
Regards from
Tom :)
--- On Tue, 17/4/12, Ian Whitfield whitfi...@telkomsa.net wrote:
From: Ian Whitfield whitfi...@telkomsa.net
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problems importing an OO database into LO
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Am 17.04.2012 11:34, ptoye wrote:
Andreas Säger wrote
Why can't you run SQL update queries? This is trivial to do in SQL. The
SQL is trivial to execute by macro.
If you desparately want a graphical query designer for
update/insert/delete queries, then you should write one and store your
Am 17.04.2012 11:28, Ian Whitfield wrote:
On 04/15/2012 08:58 AM, David wrote: ...
What database doe you think works better than OpenOffice or
LibreOffice?
I don't have any views on this matter.
After using OO/LO Base for over 5 years now I gave up last month after
the latest crash. It
appears to be better than
it was.
Regards from
Tom :)
--- On Tue, 17/4/12, Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de wrote:
From: Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problems importing an OO database into LO
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Tuesday, 17 April, 2012, 12
On 17.4.2012 12:34, ptoye wrote:
Andreas Säger wrote
Why can't you run SQL update queries? This is trivial to do in SQL. The
SQL is trivial to execute by macro.
If you desparately want a graphical query designer for
update/insert/delete queries, then you should write one and store your
queries
-users] Re: Problems importing an OO database into LO
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Tuesday, 17 April, 2012, 15:03
On 17.4.2012 12:34, ptoye wrote:
Andreas Säger wrote
Why can't you run SQL update queries? This is trivial to do in SQL. The
SQL is trivial to execute by macro.
If you
Am 17.04.2012 16:03, Pertti Rönnberg wrote:
To the LibO-folks and developers I repeat:
Stop developing LibO-Base;go back to the latest stable version and start
to complete it and repair all discrepancies in the program and between
the program and it’s documentation!
There is so much good done
: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problems importing an OO database into LO
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Tuesday, 17 April, 2012, 16:28
Am 17.04.2012 16:03, Pertti Rönnberg wrote:
To the LibO-folks and developers I repeat:
Stop developing LibO-Base;go back to the latest stable version and start
Am 17.04.2012 17:38, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
Would it be easy to upgrade the HSqlDb embedded in Base or would all the tweaks
need to be applied? Are the tweaks vital or could they left out?
Regards from
Tom :)
The easiest improvements in my honest opinion:
- Wipe out the .odb container all
the old way might put
them off.
Regards from
Tom :)
--- On Tue, 17/4/12, Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de wrote:
From: Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problems importing an OO database into LO
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Tuesday, 17 April, 2012, 17:14
On 17/04/2012 18:14, Andreas Säger wrote:
Am 17.04.2012 17:38, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
Would it be easy to upgrade the HSqlDb embedded in Base or would all
the tweaks need to be applied? Are the tweaks vital or could they
left out?
Regards from
Tom :)
The easiest improvements in my
Pertti Rönnberg wrote
Well said Peter!
I totally and completely agree with you and Ian Whitfield.
Well, someone likes me! My point is that I'm really a hacker when it comes
to databases, not a professional coder, and life really needs to be made
easier.
I'm almost thinking of
On 2012-04-18 06:13, ptoye wrote:
Pertti Rönnberg wrote
Well said Peter!
I totally and completely agree with you and Ian Whitfield.
Well, someone likes me! My point is that I'm really a hacker when it comes
to databases, not a professional coder, and life really needs to be made
easier.
On 04/17/2012 02:13 PM, ptoye wrote:
Pertti Rönnberg wrote
Well said Peter!
I totally and completely agree with you and Ian Whitfield.
Well, someone likes me! My point is that I'm really a hacker when it comes
to databases, not a professional coder, and life really needs to be made
easier.
Am 17.04.2012 19:23, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
It looks like most of this can be done without touching Base itself? Is LO
able to use databases in this way already? Is it something that could be
passed to the devs list an/or the BoD discussion list? Something like this
could be phrased to
Le 16/04/12 10:09, Mark Stanton a écrit :
Hi Mark,
What was it you liked about Approach (I used that too)?
I'm asking for feature ideas.
As a former Lotus Approach user, off the cuff :
- multiple table query/update support
- add/delete/modify/clone data button objects that worked
Am 16.04.2012 14:49, Mark Stanton wrote:
- multiple table query/update support
Multi-table update support is an SQL limitation, isn't it?
At least it requires that a foreign key is linked to another table's
unique (primary) key, otherwise it is uncertain which one of the related
rows you
Le 16/04/12 14:49, Mark Stanton a écrit :
Hi Mark,
- multiple table query/update support
Multi-tabe query is available, surely? Where it's not available is in
file mode when there's no backing database engine. Or having I missed
somthing?
Multi-table update support is an SQL
Am 15.04.2012 17:48, ptoye wrote:
Well, I seem to have started off quite a discussion. It's interesting that
Andreas seems to agree with me that OO isn't really for programming. And the
use of ODF is extremely important for intercommunicability, a point which
isn't taken by many MS addicts.
On 04/15/2012 08:58 AM, David wrote:
...
What database doe you think works better than OpenOffice or LibreOffice?
Pick.
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Hi :)
Well, in many ways it's really only 1 product but in other ways it allows
each to focus on slightly different niches in the market. MS Office tries
to be relevant to all markets by being heavily bloated and able to do
everything so it's far heavier, more bloated and slower than anyone would
So how does development happen? There seem to be two bug lists, and as I've
demonstrated, they give different results on the same data (yuk).
MS win by persuading industry (who are by far the dominant buyers - we
single users are very much a minority and ignored by MS) that
intercommunicability
Hi :)
We are not all single users here! Far from it! There are a lot of
companies invested in LibreOffice/OpenOffice and even more if you include
other products that use the OpenDocument Format. Mostly they are not names
well recognised by Windows desktop users but some may ring a bell; Google,
Glad to hear it. But IMHO Base is just nowhere compared to Access (which
itself isn't much to shout about). And OO Basic compared to VBA similarly.
As an ex-programmer I'm always keen to automate any process, but the OO
Basic learning curve turns many people off (as far as I can see from
bulletin
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To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Sunday, 15 April, 2012, 14:34
Glad to hear it. But IMHO Base is just nowhere compared to Access (which
itself isn't much to shout about). And OO Basic compared to VBA similarly.
As an ex-programmer I'm always
ptoye wrote
Glad to hear it. But IMHO Base is just nowhere compared to Access (which
itself isn't much to shout about). And OO Basic compared to VBA similarly.
As an ex-programmer I'm always keen to automate any process, but the OO
Basic learning curve turns many people off (as far as I
Well, I seem to have started off quite a discussion. It's interesting that
Andreas seems to agree with me that OO isn't really for programming. And the
use of ODF is extremely important for intercommunicability, a point which
isn't taken by many MS addicts.
But I'm not trying to use a database
On 4/15/2012 11:48 AM, ptoye wrote:
Well, I seem to have started off quite a discussion. It's interesting that
Andreas seems to agree with me that OO isn't really for programming. And the
use of ODF is extremely important for intercommunicability, a point which
isn't taken by many MS addicts.
David-4 wrote
What database doe you think works better than OpenOffice or LibreOffice?
I don't.
I found MS Access as easy to use and with a better-developed macro language.
But I was not doing anything too complicated with it.
The over-complex API (or is it just the way the documentation
://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#Programmers
Regards from
Tom :)
--- On Sun, 15/4/12, David dgbo...@gmail.com wrote:
From: David dgbo...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problems importing an OO database into LO
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Sunday, 15 April, 2012, 16:58
Tom wrote
Hi :)
From what Andreas and others say i think that is most of the problem with
Base. Too many great ideas that only got half done. I guess it might be
the same with macros.
Apparently Andrew Pitonyak's guide is one of the best ways to get into
macro programming
Hi :)
True. I was hoping it was 2 separate questions; 1 about Base and the other
about macros. Both together is likely to be tricky.
Regards from
Tom :)
--- On Sun, 15/4/12, ptoye l...@ptoye.com wrote:
From: ptoye l...@ptoye.com
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problems importing an OO
On 04/15/2012 11:58 AM, David wrote:
On 4/15/2012 11:48 AM, ptoye wrote:
Well, I seem to have started off quite a discussion. It's interesting that
Andreas seems to agree with me that OO isn't really for programming. And the
use of ODF is extremely important for intercommunicability, a point
Hi :)
Lol, i was expecting you to say Postgresql. There are other much
lighter-weight ones more suitable for small databases but we almost never hear
about them. Perhaps SqLite or something? I guess this is a topic for a
different thread.
Regards from
Tom :)
--- On Sun, 15/4/12, Jay
Tom wrote (15-04-12 13:34)
Well, in many ways it's really only 1 product but in other ways it allows
each to focus on slightly different niches in the market.
Well, LibreOffice came from the same code base. But seeing all that has
been done for LibreOffice the last year, it's hard to say any
On 2012-04-16 03:58, David wrote:
On 4/15/2012 11:48 AM, ptoye wrote:
Well, I seem to have started off quite a discussion. It's interesting that
Andreas seems to agree with me that OO isn't really for programming. And the
use of ODF is extremely important for intercommunicability, a point
I've not been keeping up with the OO/LO saga. It strikes me as a bit mad to
have two different products, each being developed with minimal resources,
trying to compete with the MS juggernaut. United we stand, divided we
fall. But that's a bit off-topic.
Anyway, I've reported this as a bug to
-users] Re: Problems importing an OO database into LO
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 13 April, 2012, 15:30
Manual refresh doesn't help. I'm afraid.
And the workaround is even simpler - keep using Open Office!
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Not heard anything recently about my main problem (the fonts issue is a
sideline). Anyone got any ideas?
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Try if a manual refresh helps. Use the button in the middle of the navigation
toolbar.
Work-around: Use the ID numbers together with a list box. So the actual
field value is the ID masked by the list box text. In addition you can have
an editable record set.
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More developments - I copied the database to a Linux system and it opens
correctly. So it seems to be a Windows-only issue.
But the formatting on the Linux system was terrible!
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those same fonts on Windows if
you wanted to use the front-end on Windows again)
Regards from
Tom :)
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From: ptoye l...@ptoye.com
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problems importing an OO database into LO
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Monday
Ubuntu. I think it's a fonts issue.
But the formatting isn't exactly the problem. I'm far more worried about the
problems in Windows, which is my normal desktop environment.
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Good idea, but the relationships haven't changed from OO. The fields in the
grid which have relationships are supplier and Region (both links into
other tables by an identifier field). The former is displayed incorrectly in
the grid, the latter correctly.
Name and comments are both displayed
Thanks for the interest, Dan.
The answers are:
LO: LibreOffice 3.5.2.2
Build ID: 281b639-6baa1d3-ef66a77-d866f25-f36d45f
OO: 3.3.0 build 9567
OS: Windows 7 64-bit Home Premium
Table contents: They look the same. At least, there aren't any obvious
oddities. (I've not exported them and done a
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