Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-17 Thread Andrew Haley
On 08/11/2012 04:16 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2012, David wrote: This list is a 'help-me-with-my-problem' list. You did not ask for help. Some called your post a rant. Some might call it a troll. This list is One person called it a rant, me. You have a thing against

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-14 Thread Pasha R
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:09 AM, Mike Flannigan mikef...@att.net wrote: On 8/13/2012 12:35 PM, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: Well, I'm back to the party after dealing with a death in the family. Hope I'm not to let to help. Changing the workgroup? Where would you change

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-14 Thread Mark Haney
On 08/13/2012 08:26 PM, Mike Flannigan wrote: On the home network thing, what exactly do you need a way to browse the Windows machines on your network?I have mine setup, but I tell you, I never use it. Granted, I'm more of a keyboard monkey, but virtually every method of file access I need

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-13 Thread Mark Haney
On 08/10/2012 08:42 PM, Mike Flannigan wrote: Yeah, I just meant I could not connect on my wired home network. It saw the internet and had an icon that said Windows Network, but it gave that error unable to mount location no matter what I did. It might have been as simple as changing the

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-13 Thread Mark Haney
On 08/10/2012 08:56 PM, Mike Flannigan wrote: Why do you give us vague descriptions of a network problem? What does no home network mean? It means my home network was not working with Fedora. The network did not see Fedora and Fedora did not see the other users on the network. I did

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-13 Thread Mark Haney
On 08/10/2012 09:34 PM, Mike Flannigan wrote: On 8/10/2012 7:53 PM, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: I will almost surely be moving to Linux someday, but I suspect it may still be years away. Again, this isn't about Linux not working, just not configured the way you want

Re: Failed Migration to Linux --OFFLIST

2012-08-13 Thread Mark Haney
On 08/11/2012 06:42 PM, Mike Flannigan wrote: On 8/11/2012 4:26 PM, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: Did you try the alternate' install disk? (I think that is the name or something like that) That is the 'this one should install for everyone' disk but the install is not quite as

Re: Failed Migration to Linux --OFFLIST

2012-08-13 Thread Mark Haney
On 08/13/2012 09:58 AM, Mark Haney wrote: On 08/11/2012 06:42 PM, Mike Flannigan wrote: Wow. My mail server just blew up. I can't imagine how the mailing list addy replaced the home email account. Please disregard. And you might want to shut your ears, I'm getting ready to spank

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-13 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, Mark Haney wrote: On 08/10/2012 08:56 PM, Mike Flannigan wrote: I did not intend for it to be a rant, but I am disappointed that I can't get Linux working. Would you settle for longish complaint? I think there's a bit of a misapplied word (is that even acceptable

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-13 Thread Mark Haney
On 08/13/2012 10:11 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, Mark Haney wrote: Mark Haney seems to have a broad definition of working. For most of us, working means more than booting. I don't think it's particularly broad. I look at it this way, if /everything/ else is doing what he

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-13 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, Mark Haney wrote: On 08/13/2012 10:11 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, Mark Haney wrote: Mark Haney seems to have a broad definition of working. For most of us, working means more than booting. I don't think it's particularly broad. I look at it this

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-13 Thread Mark Haney
On 08/13/2012 02:17 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, Mark Haney wrote: On 08/13/2012 10:11 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, Mark Haney wrote: Mark Haney seems to have a broad definition of working. For most of us, working means more than booting. I don't

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-13 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/13/2012 11:46 AM, Mark Haney wrote: I think you would agree that there's a big difference 'not working' and 'not working for me'. Not working generally means broken. It works for no one. Not working for me could mean it's broken, it could also be lack of user experience. One thing

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-13 Thread Mike Flannigan
On 8/13/2012 12:35 PM, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: Well, I'm back to the party after dealing with a death in the family. Hope I'm not to let to help. Changing the workgroup? Where would you change it? In Linux, that's all done with SAMBA. (AFAIK, anyway, I've always

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-13 Thread Dave Ihnat
Once, long ago--actually, on Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 07:09:32PM -0500--Mike Flannigan (mikef...@att.net) said: I know I started Samba once - or at least I tried to. I think it worked, but I still couldn't find the place where I could change the Workgroup. If you're having problems understanding

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-13 Thread Mike Flannigan
On 8/13/2012 12:35 PM, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: I think there's a bit of a misapplied word (is that even acceptable English?). It sounds to me like you have Linux WORKING, just not completely configured for your environment. No OS is going to be exactly how you want

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-12 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 08/11/2012 11:36 PM, David wrote: On 8/11/2012 11:22 PM, Tim wrote: On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 18:58 -0400, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: why is it when someone complains about Windows in any respect it is said they're slamming it? Windows worked very hard to earn its disrespect. Windows

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-12 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 08/12/2012 12:36 AM, David wrote: On 8/12/2012 12:25 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 08/11/2012 09:11 PM, David wrote: On 8/11/2012 11:43 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: Penguins don't have to be able to fly. They are cool as they are. Either you never saw Madagascar II, or you've forgotten it. Hmm... I had

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-12 Thread Richard England
, 2012 9:25 AM To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Failed Migration to Linux FYI, my 3rd attempt to go to Linux failed. Ubuntu didn't get anywhere - the startup install screen would not show, just a blank screen. Tried 32 bit and 64 bit - same I've never known Ubuntu to bomb like

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-12 Thread Edward M
Mike Flannigan wrote: I just figured out today when filling out the rebates that I went WAY overboard on power supply. They snuck in a $100 power supply on me - Cooler Master GX 750W Bronze. At least it comes with a $25 rebate, so final cost is $75. I just assumed it would be about $40.

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-11 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 23:35 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: You've done an awful lot of typing for an OP that isn't likely going to engage. Caught me during a moment of waiting for something to happen. Besides, my casual typing speed's somewhere around 50 wpm, so it didn't take very long to type.

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-11 Thread Mike Flannigan
On 8/11/2012 5:29 AM, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: This still isn't terribly clear... do you mean that WINDOWS machines on the network can't see Fedora as a member of the WINDOWS network? and vice-versa? Yes sir. All the other machines are Windows machines. If so, I

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-11 Thread Lailah
Mike: I'm happy that you have a new machine but you don't tell us what kind of machine is. It is a laptop, a netbook, a PC? What amount of RAM? Which processors? Exactly, how did you install and what errors you had? Do you know about live CD / USB that lets you try the Operative

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-11 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012, David wrote: This list is a 'help-me-with-my-problem' list. You did not ask for help. Some called your post a rant. Some might call it a troll. This list is One person called it a rant, me. You have a thing against rants? not a Blog. Where in the Holy Guidelines does

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-11 Thread James Wilkinson
David wrote: Win 2000 was not meant for home use. It was a business release and was very expensive. He either has a used machine that he bought at a swap meet or a Pirated copy. FWIW, I have a legitimate personal copy of Windows 2000. The upgrade cost about the same as a Windows 9x upgrade. I

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-11 Thread Mike Flannigan
On 8/11/2012 2:30 PM, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: Mike: I'm happy that you have a new machine but you don't tell us what kind of machine is. It is a laptop, a netbook, a PC? What amount of RAM? Which processors? Exactly, how did you install and what

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-11 Thread David
On 8/11/2012 5:07 PM, Mike Flannigan wrote: On 8/11/2012 2:30 PM, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: Mike: I'm happy that you have a new machine but you don't tell us what kind of machine is. It is a laptop, a netbook, a PC? What amount of RAM? Which

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-11 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 16:07:08 -0500, Mike Flannigan mikef...@att.net wrote: It is a desktop - AMD FX9tm0-6200 Six-Core Processor 3.80 GHz 8 GB ram On Fedora I didn't have any errors until it did the ~380 updates. Then it wouldn't boot, but instead gave error: GPU lockup - switching to

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-11 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 08/10/2012 09:25 AM, Mike Flannigan wrote: FYI, my 3rd attempt to go to Linux failed. Ubuntu didn't get anywhere - the startup install screen would not show, just a blank screen. Tried 32 bit and 64 bit - same failure. Fedora 17 64 bit installed just fine. After updates I got the

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-11 Thread Edward M
Mike Flannigan wrote: At least the Nvidia GeForce GTX560 Ti is showing up in my Device Manager. I'm guessing there may be a hardware problem of some kind, but I don't have a lot of other evidence of that. curious, what type of power supply did you go with? the above video card requires a

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-11 Thread Mike Flannigan
On 8/11/2012 4:18 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: As you mentioned you have a GTX560 Ti, I checked the Nouveau pages for information on how it is supported and it looks like it should be with current versions of Fedora. I am not sure if the release time f16 images would support it though. But

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-11 Thread Mike Flannigan
On 8/11/2012 4:26 PM, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: Did you try the alternate' install disk? (I think that is the name or something like that) That is the 'this one should install for everyone' disk but the install is not quite as pretty. Hey, thanks for the advice. I had

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-11 Thread goineasy9
-Original Message- From: Mike Flannigan mikef...@att.net To: users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Cc: bruno br...@wolff.to Sent: Sat, Aug 11, 2012 6:26 pm Subject: Re: Failed Migration to Linux On 8/11/2012 4:18 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: As you mentioned you have a GTX560 Ti, I

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-11 Thread David
On 8/11/2012 6:42 PM, Mike Flannigan wrote: On 8/11/2012 4:26 PM, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: Did you try the alternate' install disk? (I think that is the name or something like that) That is the 'this one should install for everyone' disk but the install is not quite as

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-11 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 08/11/2012 06:22 AM, Tim wrote: On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 23:35 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: You've done an awful lot of typing for an OP that isn't likely going to engage. Caught me during a moment of waiting for something to happen. Besides, my casual typing speed's somewhere around 50 wpm, so

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-11 Thread David
On 8/11/2012 6:58 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: On 08/11/2012 06:22 AM, Tim wrote: On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 23:35 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: You've done an awful lot of typing for an OP that isn't likely going to engage. Caught me during a moment of waiting for something to happen. Besides,

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-11 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 08/11/2012 07:41 PM, David wrote: On 8/11/2012 6:58 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: On 08/11/2012 06:22 AM, Tim wrote: On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 23:35 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: You've done an awful lot of typing for an OP that isn't likely going to engage. Caught me during a moment of waiting

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-11 Thread Mike Flannigan
On 8/11/2012 4:54 PM, Edward M wrote: Mike Flannigan wrote: curious, what type of power supply did you go with? the above video card requires a minimum 500w psu. I just figured out today when filling out the rebates that I went WAY overboard on power supply. They snuck in a $100 power

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-11 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 19:32:05 -0500, Mike Flannigan mikef...@att.net wrote: On 8/11/2012 4:54 PM, Edward M wrote: Mike Flannigan wrote: curious, what type of power supply did you go with? the above video card requires a minimum 500w psu. I just figured out today when filling out the

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-11 Thread Tim
On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 18:58 -0400, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: why is it when someone complains about Windows in any respect it is said they're slamming it? Windows worked very hard to earn its disrespect. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-11 Thread David
On 8/11/2012 11:22 PM, Tim wrote: On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 18:58 -0400, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: why is it when someone complains about Windows in any respect it is said they're slamming it? Windows worked very hard to earn its disrespect. Windows bashing comments like yours always make

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/11/2012 08:36 PM, David wrote: Then there is Linux. Used by a very few and the Linux users, using pretty much the same 'stuff', argue that 'mine Linux' is better than yours. The few, the proud, the penguins! Who said that penguins can't fly? -- users mailing list

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-11 Thread David
On 8/11/2012 11:43 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 08/11/2012 08:36 PM, David wrote: Then there is Linux. Used by a very few and the Linux users, using pretty much the same 'stuff', argue that 'mine Linux' is better than yours. The few, the proud, the penguins! Who said that penguins can't fly?

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/11/2012 09:11 PM, David wrote: On 8/11/2012 11:43 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 08/11/2012 08:36 PM, David wrote: Then there is Linux. Used by a very few and the Linux users, using pretty much the same 'stuff', argue that 'mine Linux' is better than yours. The few, the proud, the penguins!

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-11 Thread David
On 8/12/2012 12:25 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 08/11/2012 09:11 PM, David wrote: On 8/11/2012 11:43 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: Penguins don't have to be able to fly. They are cool as they are. Either you never saw Madagascar II, or you've forgotten it. Hmm... I had sons late and they don't seem to be

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/11/2012 09:36 PM, David wrote: On 8/12/2012 12:25 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 08/11/2012 09:11 PM, David wrote: On 8/11/2012 11:43 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: Penguins don't have to be able to fly. They are cool as they are. Either you never saw Madagascar II, or you've forgotten it. Hmm... I had

Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-10 Thread Mike Flannigan
FYI, my 3rd attempt to go to Linux failed. Ubuntu didn't get anywhere - the startup install screen would not show, just a blank screen. Tried 32 bit and 64 bit - same failure. Fedora 17 64 bit installed just fine. After updates I got the GPU-lockup - switching to software fbcon problem. I

RE: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-10 Thread Mark Haney
From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] on behalf of Mike Flannigan [mikef...@att.net] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 9:25 AM To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Failed Migration to Linux FYI, my 3rd

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-10 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Mike Flannigan wrote: FYI, my 3rd attempt to go to Linux failed. Ubuntu didn't get anywhere - the startup install screen would not show, just a blank screen. Tried 32 bit and 64 bit - same failure. Fedora 17 64 bit installed just fine. After updates I got the GPU-lockup - switching to

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-10 Thread Gabriele Trombini (mailga)
In data venerdì 10 agosto 2012 08:25:52, Mike Flannigan ha volutamente scritto: [cut] I'm back to Windows 7 for now. At least it works (sort of). It sure was painful giving MS $100. This seems your only reason to install Linux. It isn't the right way to begin. Mike Flannigan

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-10 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 08:25 -0500, Mike Flannigan wrote: I'm back to Windows 7 for now. At least it works (sort of). It sure was painful giving MS $100. Oh, the hell I've gone through trying to get Windows to install... First there were PCs that couldn't boot from a CD, so you'd need to boot

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-10 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/10/2012 06:25 AM, Mike Flannigan wrote: All this was on a brand new machine. I'm back to Windows 7 for now. At least it works (sort of). It sure was painful giving MS $100. Does that mean that it works as well as Windows 7 does, or that it doesn't work as well as it should, even when

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-10 Thread Jack Craig
Sorry to hear of your painful experience. I wanted to offer that I Have had great luck with the live-creator on usb thumb drives. i can do a complete basic install w/o internet connection, but to get up to date, you need a live access to the internet... I think there is a way to create the thumb

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-10 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/10/2012 11:13 PM, Tim wrote: Oh, the hell I've gone through trying to get Windows to install... You've done an awful lot of typing for an OP that isn't likely going to engage. -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-10 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Mike Flannigan wrote: The main problem was no local home network connection (unable to mount location). I had internet connection (unlike the previous time I tried to move to Linux), but no home network. I spent a lot of time trying to figure

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-10 Thread David
On 8/10/2012 12:34 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2012, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Mike Flannigan wrote: The main problem was no local home network connection (unable to mount location). I had internet connection (unlike the previous time I tried to move to Linux), but no

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-10 Thread David
On 8/10/2012 11:16 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 08/10/2012 06:25 AM, Mike Flannigan wrote: All this was on a brand new machine. I'm back to Windows 7 for now. At least it works (sort of). It sure was painful giving MS $100. Does that mean that it works as well as Windows 7 does, or that it

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-10 Thread Mike Flannigan
On 8/10/2012 10:28 AM, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: I've never known Ubuntu to bomb like that. Especially with an nVidia card. Must be some oddball setup you have there. Or, there's a hardware issue. Almost sounds like the video card isn't right. Maybe not seated correctly?

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-10 Thread Mike Flannigan
On 8/10/2012 10:28 AM, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: What is the GPU-lockup - switching to software fbcon problem? This is a description of it: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32494 I did try that nouveau.noaccel=1 solution, but I don't think I got it done

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-10 Thread Mike Flannigan
On 8/10/2012 10:28 AM, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: On 08/10/2012 06:25 AM, Mike Flannigan wrote: All this was on a brand new machine. I'm back to Windows 7 for now. At least it works (sort of). It sure was painful giving MS $100. Does that mean that it works as well as

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-10 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/10/2012 05:56 PM, Mike Flannigan wrote: I think I need to learn the unix command language and structure before I take on the task of installing Linux. Your best bet, in that case, is to experiment with a LiveCD. And, while you're at it, you can try out several spins, using different

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-10 Thread Mike Flannigan
On 8/10/2012 7:53 PM, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: He is usingi Windows NT 5. Windows 2000. Which is seriously old and long time EOL.:-) Win 2000 was not meant for home use. It was a business release and was very expensive. He either has a used machine that he bought at a swap

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-10 Thread David
On 8/10/2012 9:34 PM, Mike Flannigan wrote: On 8/10/2012 7:53 PM, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: He is usingi Windows NT 5. Windows 2000. Which is seriously old and long time EOL. :-) Win 2000 was not meant for home use. It was a business release and was very expensive. He

Re: Failed Migration to Linux

2012-08-10 Thread fred smith
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 07:56:55PM -0500, Mike Flannigan wrote: On 8/10/2012 10:28 AM, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: snip Why do you give us vague descriptions of a network problem? What does no home network mean? It means my home network was not working with Fedora. The