Re: Fedora vs RHEL

On Sat, 2013-04-20 at 22:24 +, Bill Oliver wrote: > On Sat, 20 Apr 2013, Craig White wrote: > > > > > Scientific Linux takes all sorts of liberties with build options and > > even their build system doesn't attempt to produce compatible binary > > packages - not that I am suggesting that it's

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On Sat, 20 Apr 2013, Craig White wrote: Scientific Linux takes all sorts of liberties with build options and even their build system doesn't attempt to produce compatible binary packages - not that I am suggesting that it's a bad thing - just a completely different philosophy than CentOS. Craig

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On 20/04/13 19:49, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2013-04-18 at 23:15 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 10:16 PM, g wrote: On 04/18/2013 07:26 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi <> Since both CentOS and SL are rebuilds of RHEL.

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On Thu, 2013-04-18 at 23:15 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 10:16 PM, g wrote: > > On 04/18/2013 07:26 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > <> > > Since both CentOS and SL are rebuilds of RHEL. the 3rd

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On 4/19/2013 10:27, g wrote: > > On 04/19/2013 09:05 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > <> > >> maybe you should not trust everything some random people >> writes and blindly repeat it instead use official sources > > it is not a matter of just 'some random people' writing. > > thanks to effects of goi

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Am 20.04.2013 00:47, schrieb David Beveridge: > On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Reindl Harald > wrote: >> http://www.centos.org/ >> CentOS conforms fully with the upstream vendor's redistribution policy and >> aims to be 100% binary compatible. (CentOS mainly changes packages to remove >> ups

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Hi On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 6:47 PM, David Beveridge wrote: > see > > http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Controversy-surrounds-Red-Hat-s-obfuscated-source-code-release-1200554.html > > Controversy surrounds Red Hat's "obfuscated" source code release > This change, noted by Maxillian Attems a

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On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > http://www.centos.org/ > CentOS conforms fully with the upstream vendor's redistribution policy and > aims to be 100% binary compatible. (CentOS mainly changes packages to remove > upstream vendor branding and artwork.) CentOS is free. > se

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Hi On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 4:10 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 19.04.2013 04:16, schrieb g: > > On 04/18/2013 07:26 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> Hi > > <> > > > >> Since both CentOS and SL are rebuilds of RHEL. the 3rd party repos > should > >> be compatible with either > > > > centos does

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g wrote: > > are you so naïf to believe that centos would publish such? g, Let it go. You're wrong and you're doing nothing but harm by spreading misinformation that you can't even provide a source for. I don't like to call people out publicly, but people rely on these lists to make important d

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Am 19.04.2013 16:27, schrieb g: >> http://www.centos.org/ >> CentOS conforms fully with the upstream vendor's redistribution policy and >> aims to be 100% binary compatible. (CentOS mainly changes packages to remove >> upstream vendor branding and artwork.) CentOS is free. > > well, KAFBA. > >

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On 04/19/2013 09:05 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: <> maybe you should not trust everything some random people writes and blindly repeat it instead use official sources it is not a matter of just 'some random people' writing. thanks to effects of going thru chemotherapy, my recall is not as good a

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Am 19.04.2013 15:57, schrieb g: > On 04/19/2013 03:10 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> Am 19.04.2013 04:16, schrieb g: >>> On 04/18/2013 07:26 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Since both CentOS and SL are rebuilds of RHEL. the 3rd party repos should be compatible with either >>> >>> centos does a l

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On 04/19/2013 03:10 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 19.04.2013 04:16, schrieb g: On 04/18/2013 07:26 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi <> Since both CentOS and SL are rebuilds of RHEL. the 3rd party repos should be compatible with either centos does a lot of chop and remove from rhel package and

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Am 19.04.2013 04:16, schrieb g: > On 04/18/2013 07:26 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Hi > <> > >> Since both CentOS and SL are rebuilds of RHEL. the 3rd party repos should >> be compatible with either > > centos does a lot of chop and remove from rhel package and adds a lot of > their own crud.

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On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 10:16 PM, g wrote: >> On 04/18/2013 07:26 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> centos does a lot of chop and remove from rhel package and adds a lot of >> their own crud. > > No. They don't. > When our redhat contract ran

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On 04/18/2013 10:15 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi no. i am straight right now. ;-) No. They don't. what ever. i am just going by what i have read elsewhere. personally, i tried centos before i went with scientific linux. i have been using sl for around 6 yrs now and i am very happy with

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Hi On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 10:16 PM, g wrote: > > On 04/18/2013 07:26 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> Hi >> > <> > > Since both CentOS and SL are rebuilds of RHEL. the 3rd party repos should >> be compatible with either >> > > centos does a lot of chop and remove from rhel package and adds a lo

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On 04/18/2013 07:26 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi <> Since both CentOS and SL are rebuilds of RHEL. the 3rd party repos should be compatible with either centos does a lot of chop and remove from rhel package and adds a lot of their own crud. as for 3rd party repos, same for either. or so it

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Hi On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: > > I think CentOS is the right choice, because of the packagers ecosystem. I > dont find many 3rd party packagers for SL. Since both CentOS and SL are rebuilds of RHEL. the 3rd party repos should be compatible with either Rah

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On 2013-04-18 08:51, g wrote: i have been using the fnal release, 1st in list, for about years, just after the release of sl 5.0, and i can say that it has been a very stable and reliable linux. What is your use case? I mean: I use CentOS 5 & 6 for Web developpers usage. We have to use custom

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On 04/12/2013 11:04 AM, Mike Dwiggins wrote: <<>> One outstanding suggestion that came up in this discussion was Scientific Linux as the "Supported by CERN" could be a powerful selling point. That post had me doing the classic head thump D'Oh! I had forgotten about that release! Female invol

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On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Craig White wrote: > Scientific Linux has paid staff to build packages whereas CentOS is > strictly unpaid/volunteer packagers. I think that changed last year. http://centosnow.blogspot.com/2012/06/centos-project-release-times.html John -- users mailing list u

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On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 09:04 -0700, Mike Dwiggins wrote: > Excellent summation Tim! As I said my problem was not what I wanted but > what I could "Sell" to the Boss. > > One outstanding suggestion that came up in this discussion was > Scientific Linux as the "Supported by CERN" could be a powe

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On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 03:44:41PM -0500, Matthew J. Roth wrote: > Joe Zeff wrote: > > On 04/16/2013 12:57 PM, Matthew J. Roth wrote: > > > To be fair to Bill, your original analogy equating a subscription to RHN > > > to > > > homeowner's insurance is false. He did the best he could with what yo

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David wrote: On 4/13/2013 6:20 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 04/13/2013 03:07 PM, David wrote: I actually know several (nine) 'old time Linux' users and some are ex Redhat employes as well as commercial (as in paid sys admins) that say that the Ubuntu list is full of useless information. Much of it fl

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Mike Dwiggins wrote: On 4/12/2013 7:03 AM, Tim wrote: On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 13:24 +0300, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: I would agree that in a corporate environment, Fedora release cycle is too often. I personnally run Fedora on my work laptop, but if I were to administer the whole ~150 deskt

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Mike Dwiggins wrote: On 4/12/2013 3:06 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 12.04.2013 12:01, schrieb Mihamina Rakotomandimby: On 2013-04-12 12:58, Mike Dwiggins wrote: Does there exist anywhere a list or comparison about which Releases of Fedora correspond to what Releases of RHEL? I would not dire

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On 04/16/2013 04:07 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: <> It's very simple: servers don't generally go out and pages from websites, so they don't appear in hit logs. Thus, if all you're examining is those logs, you're not including servers. If I'm wrong about this, please let me know. not a matter of bein

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On 04/16/2013 12:34 PM, g wrote: On 04/15/2013 11:45 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: <> I'm saying that the Linux Counter gets most of its data from them and therefore doesn't count servers. the last part of that sentence is where i am getting lost. but that is ok. do not try to explain. i have had trou

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Joe Zeff wrote: > > On 04/16/2013 12:57 PM, Matthew J. Roth wrote: > > To be fair to Bill, your original analogy equating a subscription to RHN to > > homeowner's insurance is false. He did the best he could with what you > > gave him > > to work with. > > I see what you mean. Would having a p

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On 04/15/2013 10:49 AM, Tim wrote: <> I'm taking David's comment as a humourous response. that it was. Anyone who thought that Windows got where it has purely on > its merits would have to be extremely deluded or ignorant. that, or an avid oos fans who can not think for them selves. --

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On 04/15/2013 03:49 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: <> My house has never caught fire yet, but I still have more than the minimal amount of homeowner's insurance required by law. but, do you have enough to cover everything you have? i know someone who shot a movie of all his possessions and store

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On 04/15/2013 11:45 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: <> I'm saying that the Linux Counter gets most of its data from them and therefore doesn't count servers. the last part of that sentence is where i am getting lost. but that is ok. do not try to explain. i have had trouble understanding a lot of tings f

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On 04/16/2013 12:57 PM, Matthew J. Roth wrote: To be fair to Bill, your original analogy equating a subscription to RHN to homeowner's insurance is false. He did the best he could with what you gave him to work with. I see what you mean. Would having a plumber or electrician on a retainer in

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Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 09:29:02PM +, Bill Oliver wrote: >> On Mon, 15 Apr 2013, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> >My house has never caught fire yet, but I still have more than the >> >minimal amount of homeowner's insurance required by law. >> >> My house might catch fir

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On 04/16/2013 01:59 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 04/16/2013 06:33 AM, Craig White wrote: 1. The access to get day of release packages. This means that security updates don't wait for someone down the line to rebuild packages. Yes, if this is additional lag to the lag already contained in RHEL

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On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 09:29:02PM +, Bill Oliver wrote: > On Mon, 15 Apr 2013, Paul W. Frields wrote: > >My house has never caught fire yet, but I still have more than the > >minimal amount of homeowner's insurance required by law. > > My house might catch fire, but I don't hire a fireman to

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out that some 3rd party software package says installation on CentOS is not supported, you then realize that there is a difference, even if it is seemingly arbitrary. As this thread is about Fedora vs. RHEL, my primary reason for not using RHEL and CentOS as my Desktop OS, is them both being

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On Mon, 2013-04-15 at 21:33 -0700, Craig White wrote: > 3. $799 a year for support is more than a small business can justify? > As a consultant, I wouldn't want a customer unwilling to pay $800 a > year for support - enough said. > > 4. It supports the ecosystem. There is a cost to developing and >

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On Mon, 2013-04-15 at 17:12 +0100, Tethys wrote: > On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 3:22 AM, Thomas Cameron > wrote: > > >> The annoying thing is, I'd *gladly* pay Red Hat for support, if they'd > >> charge me a sensible amount > > > > [...] > > > > Horse feathers. > > > > You can get a personal, develope

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w..KNOW! If you're happy using Windowsstick with itand then come see a Linux guru when you've had enough! Sent from Eddie's Cell Phone - Reply message - From: "David" To: Cc: "Community support for Fedora users" Subject: Fedora vs RHEL Date:

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On 4/15/2013 8:49 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: not all you're getting, which is why Red Hat consistently talks about providing higher value in the subscription model than just bits. Rather, the value includes things like: * Certification on hardware * Ecosystem of applications certified on the pla

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Am 16.04.2013 00:55, schrieb David Beveridge: > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:01 AM, Reindl Harald > wrote: >> >> honestly, most support-contracts are quite useless if they >> cover only default setups and let you alone in the rain >> for a infrastructure which is customized for your needs >> > >

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On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:01 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > honestly, most support-contracts are quite useless if they > cover only default setups and let you alone in the rain > for a infrastructure which is customized for your needs > I work for a fairly large company that has loads of VMs using

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Am 15.04.2013 23:17, schrieb Paul W. Frields: > On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 10:55:17PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: >> Am 15.04.2013 22:49, schrieb Paul W. Frields: I think we have very different experiences with community distros. I've run mission and business-critical tasks on community di

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On Mon, 15 Apr 2013, Paul W. Frields wrote: My house has never caught fire yet, but I still have more than the minimal amount of homeowner's insurance required by law. My house might catch fire, but I don't hire a fireman to come by every evening and spray water on the roof just in case.

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On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 10:55:17PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 15.04.2013 22:49, schrieb Paul W. Frields: > >> I think we have very different experiences with community distros. > >> I've run mission and business-critical tasks on community distros > >> for years and never had a problem, start

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Am 15.04.2013 22:49, schrieb Paul W. Frields: >> I think we have very different experiences with community distros. >> I've run mission and business-critical tasks on community distros >> for years and never had a problem, starting with Mandrake back in >> the day, then Mandriva, then Fedora, with

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On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 08:12:29PM +, Bill Oliver wrote: > On Mon, 15 Apr 2013, Thomas Cameron wrote: [...snip...] > >My experience may be different from some, but I don't think that > >$799, or even several thousand dollars for multiple servers, is > >exorbitant at all. > > > >We're talking ab

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On Mon, 15 Apr 2013, Thomas Cameron wrote: If $799 per year for support of the infrastructure that you run your business on is too much, I'd say your business is pretty freaking shaky. I've personally started two small businesses, and I've been involved in several other startups. Even on

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On 04/15/2013 11:12 AM, Tethys wrote: On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 3:22 AM, Thomas Cameron wrote: The annoying thing is, I'd *gladly* pay Red Hat for support, if they'd charge me a sensible amount [...] Horse feathers. You can get a personal, developer subscription for $99: https://www.redhat.

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On 04/14/2013 10:15 PM, David wrote: On 4/14/2013 10:25 PM, Thomas Cameron wrote: On 04/13/2013 07:53 PM, David wrote: Meh. My mom (nearly 70) and my daughters (6 and 10) all use Linux. My support level with them is orders of magnitude lower than it was when they ran Windows. It's also a Hell o

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>> His data and apps must not be very important to him if he won't pony up >> $349 >> for a commercially supported OS. >> https://www.redhat.com/wapps/store/catalog.html >> >> It never ceases to amaze me that people will run their businesses - the >> thing >> that feeds their families and employee

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On 04/15/2013 01:16 AM, g wrote: so, you run a web server , and i am agreeing that a web server gives a better accounting, but you say that it is not. then just what do you consider to give a good account? No, I don't run a web server. I'm saying that the Linux Counter gets most of its data f

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On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 3:22 AM, Thomas Cameron wrote: >> The annoying thing is, I'd *gladly* pay Red Hat for support, if they'd >> charge me a sensible amount > > [...] > > Horse feathers. > > You can get a personal, developer subscription for $99: > > https://www.redhat.com/apps/store/developer

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Allegedly, on or about 14 April 2013, Thomas Cameron sent: > It never ceases to amaze me that people will run their businesses - > the thing that feeds their families and employees' families - on > cobbled together systems with community-supported distros. Or me, that they'd do it on Windows, ser

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On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 10:42:56PM -0700, Edward M wrote: > On 4/14/2013 7:22 PM, Thomas Cameron wrote: > >Alternatively, you can get a self-support subscription for > >commercial use for $349: > > Give $349 to RedHat just for talking to myself(self- support):-); > Using either centos or

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Tim: >>> It became the biggest OS infestation by devious business practices >>> shoehorning it into personal computers. David: >> Careful. Your paranoia is showing. :-) g: > that is not paranoia, it is a fact that cause a grand jury investigation. > > or, are you old enough to be aware of such?

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Am 15.04.2013 15:50, schrieb Bill Oliver: > > On Sun, 14 Apr 2013, Thomas Cameron wrote: >> >> His data and apps must not be very important to him if he won't pony up $349 >> for a commercially supported OS. >> https://www.redhat.com/wapps/store/catalog.html >> >> It never ceases to amaze me th

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On Sun, 14 Apr 2013, Thomas Cameron wrote: His data and apps must not be very important to him if he won't pony up $349 for a commercially supported OS. https://www.redhat.com/wapps/store/catalog.html It never ceases to amaze me that people will run their businesses - the thing that feeds

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Am 15.04.2013 10:16, schrieb g: > On 04/15/2013 01:42 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: >> On 04/14/2013 11:36 AM, g wrote: >>> >>> On 04/13/2013 05:20 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: >>> <<> >>> My guess is that your reference counts servers, because mine gets most of its numbers from webserver hit logs. >>> >>

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On 04/15/2013 01:42 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 04/14/2013 11:36 AM, g wrote: On 04/13/2013 05:20 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: <<> My guess is that your reference counts servers, because mine gets most of its numbers from webserver hit logs. web server hits is a more realistic view of what is in use.

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On 04/14/2013 11:36 AM, g wrote: On 04/13/2013 05:20 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: <<> My guess is that your reference counts servers, because mine gets most of its numbers from webserver hit logs. web server hits is a more realistic view of what is in use. Not if you want to include servers it isn

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On 4/14/2013 7:22 PM, Thomas Cameron wrote: Alternatively, you can get a self-support subscription for commercial use for $349: Give $349 to RedHat just for talking to myself(self- support):-); Using either centos or Oracle linux, one also gets self-support without a fee. -- It is

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On 04/15/2013 01:23 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: Quoting David : On 4/14/2013 10:25 PM, Thomas Cameron wrote: On 04/13/2013 07:53 PM, David wrote: Meh. My mom (nearly 70) and my daughters (6 and 10) all use Linux. My support level with them is orders of magnitude lower than it was when they ran Wi

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On 4/14/2013 11:23 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: > Quoting David : > >> On 4/14/2013 10:25 PM, Thomas Cameron wrote: >>> On 04/13/2013 07:53 PM, David wrote: >>> >>> Meh. My mom (nearly 70) and my daughters (6 and 10) all use Linux. My >>> support level with them is orders of magnitude lower than it was

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Quoting David : On 4/14/2013 10:25 PM, Thomas Cameron wrote: On 04/13/2013 07:53 PM, David wrote: Meh. My mom (nearly 70) and my daughters (6 and 10) all use Linux. My support level with them is orders of magnitude lower than it was when they ran Windows. It's also a Hell of a lot easier to fi

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On 4/14/2013 10:25 PM, Thomas Cameron wrote: > On 04/13/2013 07:53 PM, David wrote: > > Meh. My mom (nearly 70) and my daughters (6 and 10) all use Linux. My > support level with them is orders of magnitude lower than it was when > they ran Windows. It's also a Hell of a lot easier to fix stuff on

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On 04/13/2013 07:53 PM, David wrote: On 4/13/2013 6:20 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 04/13/2013 03:07 PM, David wrote: I actually know several (nine) 'old time Linux' users and some are ex Redhat employes as well as commercial (as in paid sys admins) that say that the Ubuntu list is full of useless in

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On 04/12/2013 02:14 PM, Tethys wrote: On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: If you install Fedora, what you get for support is, essentially, answers people are willing to give you for free here, in forums, in IRC, and so on. If you install CentOS or SL, I believe the answer

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On 04/12/2013 05:09 AM, Mike Dwiggins wrote: On 4/12/2013 3:01 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: On 2013-04-12 12:58, Mike Dwiggins wrote: Does there exist anywhere a list or comparison about which Releases of Fedora correspond to what Releases of RHEL? I would not directly compare those, a

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On 04/12/2013 05:06 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 12.04.2013 12:01, schrieb Mihamina Rakotomandimby: On 2013-04-12 12:58, Mike Dwiggins wrote: Does there exist anywhere a list or comparison about which Releases of Fedora correspond to what Releases of RHEL? I would not directly compare those,

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On 04/12/2013 12:14 PM, Tethys wrote: The annoying thing is, I'd*gladly* pay Red Hat for support, if they'd charge me a sensible amount. I'd install RHEL in a heartbeat to get support for it. But given the minimum Red Hat support charge is several thousand, it's simply out of my price range:-(

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On 04/13/2013 04:32 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: <> Pizza, chocolate-chip cookies or other snacks are often the unit of payment in this case. put plenty of anchovies on my pizza, please. -- in a world with out fences, who needs gates. tc. hago. g . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.

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On 04/14/2013 06:50 AM, David wrote: <<>> Fix it? She has never broken it. then she may have very little installed, other than basic install. It became the biggest OS infestation by devious business practices >> shoehorning it into personal computers. Careful. Your paranoia is showing.

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On 04/14/2013 06:29 AM, Tim wrote: <<>> Every now and then there's some interesting things in the access logs, like a C64. I'm not sure if someone's being humerous, or whether it the actual device. I know it can do it, just whether anybody would actually bother... i would venture to say tha

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On 04/13/2013 05:20 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: <<> My guess is that your reference counts servers, because mine gets most of its numbers from webserver hit logs. web server hits is a more realistic view of what is in use. -- in a world with out fences, who needs gates. tc. hago. g . -- users ma

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On 04/13/2013 05:07 PM, David wrote: <<>> If you look at the latest numbers, March 2013, you will see that there are more than two times the number of users of Mac over Linux. and if you read where the get their numbers, you will see that l

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On 4/14/2013 11:24 AM, Tim wrote: > Tim: >>> Unless you can see access statistics from some very general purpose >>> website (i.e. one that everyone might use, like Google), as opposed to >>> the stats from specialist websites (web designers, Linux users), the >>> results are going to be horribly s

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Tim: >> Unless you can see access statistics from some very general purpose >> website (i.e. one that everyone might use, like Google), as opposed to >> the stats from specialist websites (web designers, Linux users), the >> results are going to be horribly skewed. David: > Statistics such as thes

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On 4/14/2013 10:27 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 04/14/2013 04:47 AM, David wrote: >> My mother, 'grandma', lives in central Florida. I live in Seattle. > > I do tech support for my older sister. We share a condo. Well I guess that is close enough to be within walking distance. And definitely closer

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On 04/14/2013 04:47 AM, David wrote: My mother, 'grandma', lives in central Florida. I live in Seattle. I do tech support for my older sister. We share a condo. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/ma

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On 4/14/2013 7:29 AM, Tim wrote: > Allegedly, on or about 13 April 2013, Joe Zeff sent: >> My guess is that your reference counts servers, because mine gets most >> of its numbers from webserver hit logs. > > Unless you can see access statistics from some very general purpose > website (i.e. one t

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On 4/14/2013 7:06 AM, Tim wrote: > Allegedly, on or about 13 April 2013, David sent: >> I actually know several (nine) 'old time Linux' users and some are ex >> Redhat employes as well as commercial (as in paid sys admins) that say >> that the Ubuntu list is full of useless information. Much of it

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On 4/13/2013 9:30 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 04/13/2013 05:53 PM, David wrote: >> I really*do not know* exactly what the usage number means. But I do >> 'know' that - or think that putting 'grandma' over to Linux, IMHO, would >> not be a good idea. :-) > > *Shrug!* As long as she's not too far aw

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Am 14.04.2013 13:29, schrieb Tim: > Over the years, I've watched the stats from my website, which isn't > really aimed at computer users, but I'd still never claim it to be > representative of the internet users on the whole. I've seen MSIE fall > off its perch, many years ago. It used to be ab

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Allegedly, on or about 13 April 2013, Joe Zeff sent: > My guess is that your reference counts servers, because mine gets most > of its numbers from webserver hit logs. Unless you can see access statistics from some very general purpose website (i.e. one that everyone might use, like Google), as op

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Allegedly, on or about 13 April 2013, David sent: > I actually know several (nine) 'old time Linux' users and some are ex > Redhat employes as well as commercial (as in paid sys admins) that say > that the Ubuntu list is full of useless information. Much of it flat out > wrong. Careful. The usual t

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Allegedly, on or about 13 April 2013, Beartooth sent: > RedHat, with clients who need massive support, doesn't want > Jill's business. But (sez me) there are enough of her now to support a > start-up entrepreneur who does; and in a few years there'll be enough > more to support a thriving

Re: Fedora vs RHEL

On 04/13/2013 05:53 PM, David wrote: I really*do not know* exactly what the usage number means. But I do 'know' that - or think that putting 'grandma' over to Linux, IMHO, would not be a good idea. :-) *Shrug!* As long as she's not too far away for you to come over and assist her, why not?

Re: Fedora vs RHEL

On 4/13/2013 6:20 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 04/13/2013 03:07 PM, David wrote: >> I actually know several (nine) 'old time Linux' users and some are ex >> Redhat employes as well as commercial (as in paid sys admins) that say >> that the Ubuntu list is full of useless information. Much of it flat out

Re: Fedora vs RHEL

On 04/13/2013 03:07 PM, David wrote: I actually know several (nine) 'old time Linux' users and some are ex Redhat employes as well as commercial (as in paid sys admins) that say that the Ubuntu list is full of useless information. Much of it flat out wrong. Careful. The usual tip off, they say, i

Re: Fedora vs RHEL

On 4/13/2013 5:31 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 04/13/2013 02:03 PM, David wrote: >> Smartphones, which work, can do more than a Linux newbie with a broken >> machine. And people in general, or the guy at Best Buy, can correct a >> misbehaving phone or computer running Windows before you can find >> som

Re: Fedora vs RHEL

On 04/13/2013 02:13 PM, Bill Oliver wrote: Moving friends and family members to linux is a different issue altogether. It has nothing to do with support, and everything to do with usability and apps. What matters is where they can run Quicken and TurboTax. Sure, if everything becomes and Andro

Re: Fedora vs RHEL

On 04/13/2013 02:03 PM, David wrote: Smartphones, which work, can do more than a Linux newbie with a broken machine. And people in general, or the guy at Best Buy, can correct a misbehaving phone or computer running Windows before you can find someone to fix a screwed up Linux computer. Hmm... ju

Re: Fedora vs RHEL

On Sat, 13 Apr 2013, Beartooth wrote: On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 15:15:34 -0400, David wrote: On 4/13/2013 2:46 PM, Beartooth wrote: There is a real opportunity here for somebody. An old adage says "Find a need, and fill it." As the Baby Boomers retire, there will be an increasi

Re: Fedora vs RHEL

On 4/13/2013 4:49 PM, Beartooth wrote: > On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 15:15:34 -0400, David wrote: > >> On 4/13/2013 2:46 PM, Beartooth wrote: > >>> There is a real opportunity here for somebody. An old adage says >>> "Find a need, and fill it." >>> >>> As the Baby Boomers retire, there will be a

Re: Fedora vs RHEL

On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 15:15:34 -0400, David wrote: > On 4/13/2013 2:46 PM, Beartooth wrote: >> There is a real opportunity here for somebody. An old adage says >> "Find a need, and fill it." >> >> As the Baby Boomers retire, there will be an increasing number, >> well content with the s

Re: Fedora vs RHEL

On Sat, 13 Apr 2013, Beartooth wrote: On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 20:14:09 +0100, Tethys wrote: On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: [] what you get for support is, essentially, answers people are willing to give you for free here, in forums, in IRC, and so on. If you insta

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