On Sat, 2025-09-20 at 15:29 -0300, George N. White III wrote:
> I have a couple Dell systems and found they sometimes needed several attempts
> before
> recognizing F12, but both behave better now (I have removed Windows and
> installed
> current UEFI/BIOS updates).
For that, and getting into B
On 9/15/2025 2:53 PM, Go Canes wrote:
On Mon, Sep 15, 2025 at 1:17 PM home user via users
wrote:
The term "BIOS" seems to be overloaded. It seems to have a broad
meaning referring to "firmware", "software" that is "built-in" to the
motherboard (or CPU?). It also seems to have a narrower mean
On Mon, 2025-09-15 at 11:17 -0600, home user via users wrote:
> I was wanting to do dual-boot solely so that I have a fall-back when
> weekly patching or semi-annual upgrading resulted in Fedora being
> minimally usable and with difficulty at that. or when it resulted
> in Fedora being unu
home user composed on 2025-09-13 17:40 (UTC-0600):
> Does it matter which distro I install first?
It certainly should not, but you may save some grief by installing the one you
prefer last, so that when it takes boot control, you need only make the other
give
up attempting to regain control, ins
> On 13 Sep 2025, at 16:59, home user via users
> wrote:
>
> Where are good, detailed instructions for doing a dual-boot install, Fedora +
> one other Linux distro, on a blank desktop?
It's easy to install one distro and have it be low maintenance to keep it
working and up to date.
But it'
On Tue, 2025-09-16 at 20:48 -0600, home user via users wrote:
> I don't recall ever using a VM, at least not within the past dozen
> years. I am concerned about how much of a learning cure is involved, to
> install, to set up, to maintain, and to use. But it's something to keep
> in mind once
On Sat, Sep 20, 2025 at 1:33 PM home user via users <
users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>
> [...]
> > [snip]
> > Dell F12
> > [snip]
> I finally remembered to try that. It worked. Thank-you.
>
I have a couple Dell systems and found they sometimes needed several
attempts before
reco
On 9/13/2025 10:56 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
home user composed on 2025-09-13 21:58 (UTC-0600):
Felix Miata wrote:
[snip]
"BBS hotkey"? What's that? I don't see any keys on my keyboard
labelled anything remotely suggesting "BBS".
BIOS Boot Selector/Service
With most "PC" compatible computers
(responding to both Samuel and Patrick)
On 9/17/2025 4:35 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Wed, 2025-09-17 at 15:09 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 9/17/25 3:42 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Tue, 2025-09-16 at 20:48 -0600, home user via users wrote:
I don't recall ever using a VM, at least
On Wed, 2025-09-17 at 15:09 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 9/17/25 3:42 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Tue, 2025-09-16 at 20:48 -0600, home user via users wrote:
> > > I don't recall ever using a VM, at least not within the past dozen
> > > years. I am concerned about how much of a learning
On 9/17/25 3:42 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Tue, 2025-09-16 at 20:48 -0600, home user via users wrote:
I don't recall ever using a VM, at least not within the past dozen
years. I am concerned about how much of a learning cure is involved, to
install, to set up, to maintain, and to use. B
On Sat, Sep 13, 2025 at 7:25 PM home user via users
wrote:
> Did I get the terminology wrong?
> The "phone modem" is not some gadget that I put a phone receiver on, and
> then dial in and connect via something like "kermit"(?). Maybe I should
> call it a broadband phone-modem? It's an Arris Surf
On Wed, 2025-09-17 at 14:44 -0400, bruce wrote:
> given new tech for hardware over years.. as well as drive sizes..
>
> what's the real need for dual boot over vm. is there a pro/con of each? a
> good trusted non biased site/link??
[Please don't top-post. See the list Guidelines]
IMO for mos
On Sat, 2025-09-13 at 17:25 -0600, home user via users wrote:
> Did I get the terminology wrong?
> The "phone modem" is not some gadget that I put a phone receiver on, and
> then dial in and connect via something like "kermit"(?). Maybe I should
> call it a broadband phone-modem? It's an Arris
given new tech for hardware over years.. as well as drive sizes..
what's the real need for dual boot over vm. is there a pro/con of each? a
good trusted non biased site/link??
On Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 1:36 PM home user via users <
users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>
> On 9/17/2025 4:42 AM,
On 9/17/2025 4:42 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Tue, 2025-09-16 at 20:48 -0600, home user via users wrote:
I don't recall ever using a VM, at least not within the past dozen
years. I am concerned about how much of a learning cure is involved, to
install, to set up, to maintain, and to use.
On 9/16/2025 6:50 AM, George N. White III wrote:
On Mon, Sep 15, 2025 at 10:46 PM home user via users
wrote:
On 9/13/2025 9:59 AM, home user via users wrote:
> good morning,
>
> (background)
> [...]
By default (!= mandatory!), Fedora keeps 5 old kernels when a
ker
On 9/16/2025 4:21 AM, Tim wrote:
Go Canes wrote:
Does it need to be Windows?
home user:
It does not *need* to be windows. It just seems to be the easiest way
to go. But I realize I could install something else over windows on
that box.
I might suggest, when your new PC is going well. Inst
On Mon, Sep 15, 2025 at 10:46 PM home user via users <
users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>
> On 9/13/2025 9:59 AM, home user via users wrote:
> > good morning,
> >
> > (background)
> > [...]
> By default (!= mandatory!), Fedora keeps 5 old kernels when a kernel is
> patched or updated, right?
Go Canes wrote:
>> Does it need to be Windows?
home user:
> It does not *need* to be windows. It just seems to be the easiest way
> to go. But I realize I could install something else over windows on
> that box.
I might suggest, when your new PC is going well. Install another Linux
to the ol
On Mon, 2025-09-15 at 19:00 -0600, home user via users wrote:
> I'll most likely keep this old windows-10 box for emergency fall-back.
> side question: Will windows-10 still work properly after microsoft
> "sunsets" it next month (Oct. 14?), or has microsoft rigged things so
> that it no longer
On 9/15/2025 8:23 PM, Go Canes wrote:
On Mon, Sep 15, 2025 at 9:00 PM home user via users
wrote:
I'll most likely keep this old windows-10 box for emergency fall-back.
Does it need to be Windows? If so, have you checked to see if it can
be upgraded to Windows 11?
It does not *need* to be win
On 09/15/2025 09:40 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
3 is the default. "installonly_limit=3"
By default, how does Fedora handle rescue kernels?
By default they aren't updated unless you delete the old one. I don't
know how you would change that.
There are two obvious ways: rename it or move it to
On 9/15/25 8:54 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 09/15/2025 09:40 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
3 is the default. "installonly_limit=3"
By default, how does Fedora handle rescue kernels?
By default they aren't updated unless you delete the old one. I don't
know how you would change that.
There are two o
On 9/15/25 6:44 PM, home user via users wrote:
On 9/13/2025 9:59 AM, home user via users wrote:
good morning,
(background)
I (finally!) have a new desktop on its way. It's supposed to be
totally blank; that is, it will have whatever firmware, bios, and
other software the manufacturers of th
On Mon, Sep 15, 2025 at 9:00 PM home user via users
wrote:
> I'll most likely keep this old windows-10 box for emergency fall-back.
Does it need to be Windows? If so, have you checked to see if it can
be upgraded to Windows 11?
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On 9/13/2025 9:59 AM, home user via users wrote:
good morning,
(background)
I (finally!) have a new desktop on its way. It's supposed to be
totally blank; that is, it will have whatever firmware, bios, and
other software the manufacturers of the parts put on those parts, but
nothing else.
On 9/15/2025 3:03 PM, Go Canes wrote:
On Mon, Sep 15, 2025 at 1:17 PM home user via users
wrote:
I was wanting to do dual-boot solely so that I have a fall-back when
weekly patching or semi-annual upgrading resulted in Fedora being
minimally usable and with difficulty at that. or when it
On Mon, Sep 15, 2025 at 1:17 PM home user via users
wrote:
> I was wanting to do dual-boot solely so that I have a fall-back when
> weekly patching or semi-annual upgrading resulted in Fedora being
> minimally usable and with difficulty at that. or when it resulted
> in Fedora being unusable
On Mon, Sep 15, 2025 at 1:17 PM home user via users
wrote:
> The term "BIOS" seems to be overloaded. It seems to have a broad
> meaning referring to "firmware", "software" that is "built-in" to the
> motherboard (or CPU?). It also seems to have a narrower meaning (for
> desktops) referring to fi
On 9/13/2025 10:56 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
home user composed on 2025-09-13 21:58 (UTC-0600):
Felix Miata wrote:
Or, you could just ignore which is in control, and
use the BBS hotkey each time a choice to the non-default is wished. With BBS
hotkey usage, it shouldn't matter whether one install
On 9/13/2025 9:59 AM, home user via users wrote:
good morning,
(background)
I (finally!) have a new desktop on its way. It's supposed to be
totally blank; that is, it will have whatever firmware, bios, and
other software the manufacturers of the parts put on those parts, but
nothing else.
On 9/13/2025 10:15 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sat, 2025-09-13 at 17:25 -0600, home user via users wrote:
Did I get the terminology wrong?
The "phone modem" is not some gadget that I put a phone receiver on, and
then dial in and connect via something like "kermit"(?). Maybe I should
call it a broadband
On 9/13/2025 7:00 PM, Go Canes wrote:
On Sat, Sep 13, 2025 at 7:25 PM home user via users
wrote:
Did I get the terminology wrong?
The "phone modem" is not some gadget that I put a phone receiver on, and
then dial in and connect via something like "kermit"(?). Maybe I should
call it a broadban
On 9/13/2025 7:26 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
On Sat, Sep 13, 2025 at 11:59 AM home user via users
wrote:
[...]
(question)
I've groped around the web, especially the Fedora Docs web site
("https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/docs/";). I've not found any
instructions on how to install on a bla
Barry Scott composed on 2025-09-14 10:59 (UTC+0100):
> But it's far harder to sort out the booting of two distro that are sharing
> one /boot.
Why would anyone try to use such a configuration? Sharing /boot/efi/ and sharing
/boot/ filesystems are entirely different concepts, the former being com
home user composed on 2025-09-13 21:58 (UTC-0600):
> Felix Miata wrote:
>> Or, you could just ignore which is in control, and
>> use the BBS hotkey each time a choice to the non-default is wished. With BBS
>> hotkey usage, it shouldn't matter whether one installation knows anything
>> about
>> b
On 9/13/2025 6:47 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
home user composed on 2025-09-13 17:40 (UTC-0600):
Does it matter which distro I install first?
It certainly should not, but you may save some grief by installing the one you
prefer last, so that when it takes boot control, you need only make the other
On Sat, 2025-09-13 at 09:59 -0600, home user via users wrote:
> The desktop will have two internal drives: one HDD for "user" data, one
> M.2(?) NVMe(?) drive for the operating systems and installed
> applications. This desktop will not be "DIY"; it's bought from a local
> pc store.
>
> I will
On 9/13/2025 5:48 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 9/13/25 4:40 PM, home user via users wrote:
On 9/13/2025 3:26 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 9/13/25 8:59 AM, home user via users wrote:
(snip)
As long as you don't use all the space when installing Fedora, you
can install the other one. The other d
On 9/13/2025 12:58 PM, Go Canes wrote:
On Sat, Sep 13, 2025 at 11:59 AM home user via users
wrote:
I've groped around the web, especially the Fedora Docs web site
("https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/docs/";). I've not found any
instructions on how to install on a blank desktop, let alone h
On Sat, Sep 13, 2025 at 11:59 AM home user via users
wrote:
> [...]
>
> (question)
> I've groped around the web, especially the Fedora Docs web site
> ("https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/docs/";). I've not found any
> instructions on how to install on a blank desktop, let alone how to do a
> d
On 9/13/25 4:40 PM, home user via users wrote:
On 9/13/2025 3:26 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 9/13/25 8:59 AM, home user via users wrote:
good morning,
(background)
I (finally!) have a new desktop on its way. It's supposed to be
totally blank; that is, it will have whatever firmware, bios, and
On 9/13/2025 3:26 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 9/13/25 8:59 AM, home user via users wrote:
good morning,
(background)
I (finally!) have a new desktop on its way. It's supposed to be
totally blank; that is, it will have whatever firmware, bios, and
other software the manufacturers of the parts
On 9/13/25 8:59 AM, home user via users wrote:
good morning,
(background)
I (finally!) have a new desktop on its way. It's supposed to be totally
blank; that is, it will have whatever firmware, bios, and other software
the manufacturers of the parts put on those parts, but nothing else. No
On Sat, Sep 13, 2025 at 11:59 AM home user via users
wrote:
> I've groped around the web, especially the Fedora Docs web site
> ("https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/docs/";). I've not found any
> instructions on how to install on a blank desktop, let alone how to do a
> dual-boot install. What
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