Re: Problem with faked return-path or something like that...!

2008-12-10 Thread support
Prempting some responses: What about external remote workers? What about those who email stuff to themselves? I hear this kind of thing all the time when people moan about spoofing. On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 12:19 -0500, Kevin Parris wrote: > You do not have a SpamAssassin problem, you have a Commun

Re: sought rules updates

2008-12-10 Thread James Wilkinson
LuKreme wrote: > I read the man page, where there is no mention of how to obtain this > number. In fact, I read many posts, and many webpages and have still not > found that information. I've seen the IDs in others posts, sure, but > where do they originate? > > Even searching the wiki (which

Re: sought rules updates

2008-12-10 Thread LuKreme
On 10-Dec-2008, at 22:18, SM wrote: At 20:39 10-12-2008, LuKreme wrote: And the source of that number is, evidently, a complete mystery. That's my point. I've seen lots of instructions like this: # wget http://somesite.tld/somepath/GPG.KEY # sudo sa-update --import GPG.KEY # sudo sa-update --g

Re: google groups abuse for spam

2008-12-10 Thread ram
On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 13:09 +, Ned Slider wrote: > ram wrote: > > I got a spam with just a link to a google groups page > > > > https://ecm.netcore.co.in/tmp/spam_google.txt > > > > > > Now I am scoring all mails with links to groups.google but > > (may not be a gr8 idea though ) > > > >

Re: sought rules updates

2008-12-10 Thread SM
At 20:39 10-12-2008, LuKreme wrote: And the source of that number is, evidently, a complete mystery. That's my point. I've seen lots of instructions like this: # wget http://somesite.tld/somepath/GPG.KEY # sudo sa-update --import GPG.KEY # sudo sa-update --gpgkey 0E28B3DC --channel uber.rule.so

Re: sought rules updates

2008-12-10 Thread LuKreme
On 10-Dec-2008, at 20:36, SM wrote: At 13:51 10-12-2008, LuKreme wrote: I read the man page, where there is no mention of how to obtain this number. In fact, I read many posts, and many webpages and have still not found that information. I've seen the IDs in others posts, sure, but where do the

Re: Spam slipping through

2008-12-10 Thread LuKreme
On 10-Dec-2008, at 16:01, mouss wrote: while the whitelisting part is ok, the "blacklisting" part is risky: - they could mess up with their dns config during an update or they could add a new MTA, or reconfigure their MTA and "forget" to pass throgh the dkim signing application... - they

Re: sought rules updates

2008-12-10 Thread SM
At 13:51 10-12-2008, LuKreme wrote: I read the man page, where there is no mention of how to obtain this number. In fact, I read many posts, and many webpages and have still not found that information. I've seen the IDs in others posts, sure, but where do they originate? sa-update uses GPG (GN

RE: sought rules updates

2008-12-10 Thread RobertH
> > Right. I removed most if not all of the SARE rules on most > machines some months ago with no ill effects. > > Kai what ones did you keep? if you recall, any particular reason why? - rh

Re: Spam slipping through

2008-12-10 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Wed, December 10, 2008 23:16, LuKreme wrote: > Which would, I think, score them a full 5 points up for failing > DKIM, but give them a negative score from USER_IN_DKIM_WHITELIST? try: def_whitelist_auth [EMAIL PROTECTED] whitelist_auth [EMAIL PROTECTED] why have the extra step with add scor

Re: sought rules updates

2008-12-10 Thread Kai Schaetzl
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: users@spamassassin.apache.org LuKreme wrote on Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:51:47 -0700: > I read the man page, where there is no mention of how to obtain this > number. In fact, I read many posts, and many webpages and have still > not found that information. I've seen t

Re: Spam slipping through

2008-12-10 Thread mouss
LuKreme a écrit : > On 10-Dec-2008, at 12:10, Kelson wrote: >> Successful sender verification ALONE doesn't tell you much, because it >> doesn't distinguish between a legit sender who uses DKIM and a spammer >> who uses DKIM (or a spammer abusing a large sender). This is why the >> default scores

Re: sought rules updates

2008-12-10 Thread mouss
LuKreme a écrit : > On 10-Dec-2008, at 01:31, Kai Schaetzl wrote: >> Duane Hill wrote on Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:53:39 + (UTC): >>> Do a search for 'sought' on the SA wiki page >> >> and read the documentation on sa-update before you ask again ;-) > > I read the man page, where there is no mention

Re: Spam slipping through

2008-12-10 Thread LuKreme
On 10-Dec-2008, at 12:10, Kelson wrote: Successful sender verification ALONE doesn't tell you much, because it doesn't distinguish between a legit sender who uses DKIM and a spammer who uses DKIM (or a spammer abusing a large sender). This is why the default scores on DKIM_VERIFIED and DKIM

Re: sought rules updates

2008-12-10 Thread LuKreme
On 10-Dec-2008, at 01:31, Kai Schaetzl wrote: Duane Hill wrote on Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:53:39 + (UTC): Do a search for 'sought' on the SA wiki page and read the documentation on sa-update before you ask again ;-) I read the man page, where there is no mention of how to obtain this number

Re: Spam slipping through

2008-12-10 Thread mouss
LuKreme a écrit : > On 8-Dec-2008, at 00:44, mouss wrote: >>> DKIM is not a blacklister, but a whitelist based on if sender really >>> use monster.com mta mail server or not :) >>> >> indeed. > > > Checking my SPAM folder it seems that a LOT of spam gets DKIM_VERIFIED > > I have tons that look,

Re: sought rules updates

2008-12-10 Thread mouss
John Horne a écrit : > On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 22:54 -0700, LuKreme wrote: >> On 9-Dec-2008, at 17:09, John Horne wrote: >>> Try: >>> >>>sa-update --gpgkey 6C6191E3 --channel sought.rules.yerp.org >> Ok, that gives me no error (where did you find/get the 6C6191E3?). It >> sits for about 20-30 s

Re: Spam slipping through

2008-12-10 Thread Kelson
LuKreme wrote: So it looks like the only usefulness of DKIM for spam checking is really for the big mailers like gmail, paypal, ebay, etc? A pass on DKIM (or any other sender verification system ) is useful for any mailer that you *recognize*, regardless of size. Trivial example: If you regu

Re: Problem with faked return-path or something like that...!

2008-12-10 Thread Kevin Parris
You do not have a SpamAssassin problem, you have a Communigate problem. Present this issue to your support resources for that product. The basics of what you want to do are something like this: When a message is arriving from the internet, and has your own domain in the Return-path, it should

RE: sought rules updates

2008-12-10 Thread Bowie Bailey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Karsten =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Br=E4ckelmann?= writes: > > On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 20:00 -0600, Chris wrote: > > > Has anyone seen any updates to the sought rules lately? It seems > > > like it's been about 4 or 5 days now since I've seen any via > > > sa-update. > > > > I believ

Re: Inconsistent RBL checks

2008-12-10 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 08.12.08 19:09, James Grant wrote: > Hi all, I've run into a weird situation where spamassassin will (seemingly > randomly) only do certain RBL checks. [...] > I've done it with spamd in debug mode and there's never any warnings or > errors about it not doing certain checks, it seems to just

Re: google groups abuse for spam

2008-12-10 Thread Ned Slider
ram wrote: I got a spam with just a link to a google groups page https://ecm.netcore.co.in/tmp/spam_google.txt Now I am scoring all mails with links to groups.google but (may not be a gr8 idea though ) Bayes training may help :) Google's Notebook is currently being abused too. See here:

Re: heads up: php5 security and emergency fix

2008-12-10 Thread Michael Scheidell
this gets me 62 pages: php5 5.2.7 mq bug ram wrote: On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 07:38 -0500, Michael Scheidell wrote: Last week, a security bullet was released about security problems with php5 prior to version 5.2.7. Yesterday, a major regression testing problem was fixed in 5.2.7, with the re

Re: sought rules updates

2008-12-10 Thread Ned Slider
Justin Mason wrote: Karsten =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Br=E4ckelmann?= writes: On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 20:00 -0600, Chris wrote: Has anyone seen any updates to the sought rules lately? It seems like it's been about 4 or 5 days now since I've seen any via sa-update. I believe this is due to the recent SSL ce

Re: sought rules updates

2008-12-10 Thread Justin Mason
Karsten =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Br=E4ckelmann?= writes: > On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 20:00 -0600, Chris wrote: > > Has anyone seen any updates to the sought rules lately? It seems like it's > > been about 4 or 5 days now since I've seen any via sa-update. > > I believe this is due to the recent SSL cert updat

Re: sought rules updates

2008-12-10 Thread John Horne
On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 22:54 -0700, LuKreme wrote: > On 9-Dec-2008, at 17:09, John Horne wrote: > > Try: > > > >sa-update --gpgkey 6C6191E3 --channel sought.rules.yerp.org > > Ok, that gives me no error (where did you find/get the 6C6191E3?). It > sits for about 20-30 seconds and then I get a

Re: heads up: php5 security and emergency fix

2008-12-10 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Ram wrote on Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:48:23 +0530: > Any reference links , I tried to google. Didnt get any php.net Kai -- Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com

Re: Problem with faked return-path or something like that...!

2008-12-10 Thread mouss
hofmae a écrit : > Hi, > > thanks a lot. > > but the didn't solve anything... > > We need the mailer daemon, we cannot just deactivate it. > > I think the main problem is that there is one of our adressess in the > return-path. Thats wrong i think, because the spammer sends a spammail with > on

Re: Problem with faked return-path or something like that...!

2008-12-10 Thread hofmae
Hi, thanks a lot. but the didn't solve anything... We need the mailer daemon, we cannot just deactivate it. I think the main problem is that there is one of our adressess in the return-path. Thats wrong i think, because the spammer sends a spammail with one of our adressess in the return-path.

Re: sought rules updates

2008-12-10 Thread mouss
Kai Schaetzl a écrit : > LuKreme wrote on Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:50:34 -0700: > >> Geez there's >> a lot of them... and they look like they are very old, with last >> updated dates in 2005-2006 and none newer than Aug 2007. > > Right. I removed most if not all of the SARE rules on most machines s

Re: heads up: php5 security and emergency fix

2008-12-10 Thread ram
On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 07:38 -0500, Michael Scheidell wrote: > Last week, a security bullet was released about security problems with > php5 prior to version 5.2.7. > Yesterday, a major regression testing problem was fixed in 5.2.7, with > the removal of the 5.2.7 binaries, and the emergency rele

Re: sought rules updates

2008-12-10 Thread Kai Schaetzl
LuKreme wrote on Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:50:34 -0700: > Geez there's > a lot of them... and they look like they are very old, with last > updated dates in 2005-2006 and none newer than Aug 2007. Right. I removed most if not all of the SARE rules on most machines some months ago with no ill effect

Re: sought rules updates

2008-12-10 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Duane Hill wrote on Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:53:39 + (UTC): > Do a search for 'sought' on the SA wiki page and read the documentation on sa-update before you ask again ;-) Kai -- Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com

Re: 1000 times easier to just do sa-update --nogpg

2008-12-10 Thread Kai Schaetzl
LuKreme wrote on Tue, 9 Dec 2008 23:23:19 -0700: > Ok, where in those directions are you supposed to find the keyid? where the channel maintainer announces the channel and tells you how to use it. Kai -- Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.cona