Re: Hotmail on sorbs?!? (and eliminating false positives)

2005-09-27 Thread Michael Monnerie
On Dienstag, 27. September 2005 07:51 email builder wrote: > The above can probably be done in Postfix with one or two restriction > classes. > > http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtpd_restriction_classes > http://www.postfix.org/RESTRICTION_CLASS_README.html > > I'd be curious to hear if any

RE: Hotmail on sorbs?!? (and eliminating false positives)

2005-09-26 Thread email builder
--- Herb Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am new to postfix and spamassassin, but we are already > > using greylist, and I liked a lot what you said here. > > > > How can I greylist messages by means of RBL checking? How > > should I setup Postfix to do that? > > > > Regards, > > Carl

RE: Hotmail on sorbs?!? (and eliminating false positives)

2005-09-26 Thread Herb Martin
> I am new to postfix and spamassassin, but we are already > using greylist, and I liked a lot what you said here. > > How can I greylist messages by means of RBL checking? How > should I setup Postfix to do that? > > Regards, > Carlos. I am not a Postfix expert, and cannot really call myself

Re: Hotmail on sorbs?!? (and eliminating false positives)

2005-09-26 Thread Carlos Zottmann
Hi !! I am new to postfix and spamassassin, but we are already using greylist, and I liked a lot what you said here. How can I greylist messages by means of RBL checking? How should I setup Postfix to do that? Regards, Carlos. 2005/9/24, Herb Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > From: Kai Schaetzl [

Re: Hotmail on sorbs?!?

2005-09-24 Thread Michael Monnerie
On Samstag, 24. September 2005 12:31 Kai Schaetzl wrote: > Assess what you actually get from your RBLs and > remove those that add less than 5% to your rejections. Why? 5% rejections can be worth the lookup. I prefer some lookups over receiving SPAM. Or do I miss something? mfg zmi -- // Michae

RE: Hotmail on sorbs?!? (and eliminating false positives)

2005-09-24 Thread Herb Martin
> From: Kai Schaetzl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Not sure how you combine that. AFAIR, greylisting is > tempfailing the first SMTP delivery attempt, correct? Do you > check the IP with RBLs and then tempfail it? So, you don't > tempfail *every* connection attempt like "traditional" > greylist

Re: Hotmail on sorbs?!? (and eliminating false positives)

2005-09-24 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Herb Martin wrote on Sat, 24 Sep 2005 07:17:06 -0500: > You RISK getting false positives with ANY RBL Of course, yes. One better speaks of a "cost-value ratio" (with cost being "false positives" for your clients and value being the rejected spam and viruses). In this respect the combined Spamh

RE: Hotmail on sorbs?!? (and eliminating false positives)

2005-09-24 Thread Herb Martin
> From: Kai Schaetzl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > If you want to be safe, then use rbl+xbl.Spamhaus only. It is > safe *and* effective. If you add any other you risk getting > false positives. That is in the nature of RBLs and there is > no reason to complain about that fact or any of these RBLs

Re: Hotmail on sorbs?!?

2005-09-24 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Email builder wrote on Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:12:05 -0700 (PDT): > OK, well other people also seem to be saying that SORBS is just not > acceptable for a front-line RBL. Really too bad. Really. We do already use > a ton of other RBLs, but just hate to let any of them go. I doubt there is much u

Re: Hotmail on sorbs?!?

2005-09-24 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Larry M. Rosenbaum wrote on Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:41:18 -0400: > 127.0.0.2 Open HTTP server > 127.0.0.3 Open Socks server > 127.0.0.4 Open Proxy server > 127.0.0.5 Open SMTP relay > 127.0.0.10 Dynamic address You can do it much simpler and with less traffic. There is a new aggregated list

Re: Hotmail on sorbs?!?

2005-09-24 Thread Michael Monnerie
On Samstag, 24. September 2005 06:14 email builder wrote: > No.  Please understand that there is a difference between using SORBS >   in the MTA (ala Postfix's smtpd_recipient_restrictions) where a > listing equates to an immediate rejection and using SORBS in SA for > scoring.  You are referring t

Re: Hotmail on sorbs?!?

2005-09-23 Thread email builder
> On Donnerstag, 22. September 2005 22:24 email builder wrote: > > How so? I can't believe you don't hear me when I say for the 100th > > time that services like ours that have a lot of users who expect to > > communicate with hotmail users cannot use an RBL in the MTA if it > > lists hotmail. >

Re: Hotmail on sorbs?!?

2005-09-23 Thread Michael Monnerie
On Donnerstag, 22. September 2005 22:24 email builder wrote: > How so?  I can't believe you don't hear me when I say for the 100th > time that services like ours that have a lot of users who expect to > communicate with hotmail users cannot use an RBL in the MTA if it > lists hotmail. Larry said i

Re: Hotmail on sorbs?!?

2005-09-22 Thread email builder
> goals as irrelevant as you explicitly did. I, for one, enjoy the thought > of > people working together for goals outside of their own self-interest. > > > So we circle back to the start: you apparently have a utopian user > community > that does not have any need to correspond with hotmail us

Re: Hotmail on sorbs?!?

2005-09-22 Thread email builder
> ... but who not to whitelist? > >>> > >>> the small guys. unfortunately, large ISPs like that have power in > >>> the > >>> number > >>> of users they have. in no way do I advocate defending that as a good > >>> thing, > >>> but the fact that this gives them an immense amount of power to

Re: Hotmail on sorbs?!?

2005-09-22 Thread Mike Jackson
abuse.rfc-ignorant.org dsn.rfc-ignorant.org At least from my experience, while the rfc-ignorant.org lists are great in theory, they cause enough problems with end users that they're not worth it. The last ISP I worked at used them (the sys admin was the walking definition of a BOFH), and as t

Re: Hotmail on sorbs?!?

2005-09-22 Thread Nathanael Hoyle
Alex Pleiner wrote: * Nathanael Hoyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-09-21 22:48]: Look at other rbl's, consider some or all of: abuse.rfc-ignorant.org dsn.rfc-ignorant.org list.dsbl.org sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org opm.blitzed.org Please note that sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org includes opm.blitzed.org. Accor

RE: Hotmail on sorbs?!?

2005-09-22 Thread Rosenbaum, Larry M.
> From: email builder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Can someone remind me if I am correct in my recollection that SORBS comes > enabled by default for use in contributing to SA scores? > > Thanks a lot There are RCVD_IN_SORBS_* rules in 20_dnsbl_tests.cf for each of the various SORBS lists. The

Re: Hotmail on sorbs?!?

2005-09-22 Thread Alex Pleiner
* Nathanael Hoyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-09-21 22:48]: > Look at other rbl's, consider some or all of: > abuse.rfc-ignorant.org > dsn.rfc-ignorant.org > list.dsbl.org > sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org > opm.blitzed.org Please note that sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org includes opm.blitzed.org. According to http://ww

Re: Hotmail on sorbs?!?

2005-09-22 Thread John Rudd
On Sep 21, 2005, at 11:17 PM, email builder wrote: ... but who not to whitelist? the small guys. unfortunately, large ISPs like that have power in the number of users they have. in no way do I advocate defending that as a good thing, but the fact that this gives them an immense amount of

Re: Hotmail on sorbs?!?

2005-09-21 Thread email builder
> We removed sorbs. I don't think it's even open for debate at the > current > point. > If places like hotmail mx's end up on the blacklist you *will* > have > upset > customers. > >>> > >>> Yeah. It would be nice if there were a blacklist out there that took

Re: Hotmail on sorbs?!?

2005-09-21 Thread John Rudd
On Sep 21, 2005, at 7:26 PM, email builder wrote: We removed sorbs. I don't think it's even open for debate at the current point. If places like hotmail mx's end up on the blacklist you *will* have upset customers. Yeah. It would be nice if there were a blacklist out there that took the

Re: Hotmail on sorbs?!?

2005-09-21 Thread email builder
> >> We removed sorbs. I don't think it's even open for debate at the > >> current > >> point. > >> If places like hotmail mx's end up on the blacklist you *will* have > >> upset > >> customers. > > > > Yeah. It would be nice if there were a blacklist out there that took > > the > > best of

Re: Hotmail on sorbs?!?

2005-09-21 Thread John Rudd
On Sep 21, 2005, at 5:23 PM, email builder wrote: We removed sorbs. I don't think it's even open for debate at the current point. If places like hotmail mx's end up on the blacklist you *will* have upset customers. Yeah. It would be nice if there were a blacklist out there that took

Re: Hotmail on sorbs?!?

2005-09-21 Thread email builder
> > Complaint from a user led me to find this in our logfile: > > > > Sep 21 09:07:07 gaia postfix/smtpd[6392]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from > > bay101-f11.bay101.hotmail.com[64.4.56.21]: 554 Service unavailable; > Client > > host [64.4.56.21] blocked using dnsbl.sorbs.net; Spam Received See: > > ht

Re: Hotmail on sorbs?!?

2005-09-21 Thread email builder
> > Sep 21 09:07:07 gaia postfix/smtpd[6392]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from > > bay101-f11.bay101.hotmail.com[64.4.56.21]: 554 Service unavailable; > Client > > host [64.4.56.21] blocked using dnsbl.sorbs.net; Spam Received See: > > http://www.sorbs.net/lookup.shtml?64.4.56.21; from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Hotmail on sorbs?!?

2005-09-21 Thread Lefteris Tsintjelis
Nathanael Hoyle wrote: abuse.rfc-ignorant.org They are also in this list as well as postmaster.rfc-ignorant.org

Re: Hotmail on sorbs?!?

2005-09-21 Thread Lefteris Tsintjelis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sucks that microsoft can just do whatever they want since they have sooo many users, but as this is the current state of our reality, I am interested in what people are doing to deal with it as is. Removed sorbs, no choice. Is this causing anyone else probl

RE: Hotmail on sorbs?!?

2005-09-21 Thread Martin.Carnegie
> > > It sucks that microsoft can just do whatever they want > since they have sooo > > many users, but as this is the current state of our > reality, I am interested > > in what people are doing to deal with it as is. > > Removed sorbs, no choice. > > > > Is this causing anyone else problems?

Re: Hotmail on sorbs?!?

2005-09-21 Thread Nathanael Hoyle
email builder wrote: Complaint from a user led me to find this in our logfile: Sep 21 09:07:07 gaia postfix/smtpd[6392]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from bay101-f11.bay101.hotmail.com[64.4.56.21]: 554 Service unavailable; Client host [64.4.56.21] blocked using dnsbl.sorbs.net; Spam Received See: http:

RE: Hotmail on sorbs?!?

2005-09-21 Thread Rosenbaum, Larry M.
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > email builder writes: > > Complaint from a user led me to find this in our logfile: > > > > Sep 21 09:07:07 gaia postfix/smtpd[6392]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from > > bay101-f11.bay101.hotmail.com[64.4.56.21]: 554 Service unavailable; Client >

Re: Hotmail on sorbs?!?

2005-09-21 Thread Justin Mason
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 email builder writes: > Complaint from a user led me to find this in our logfile: > > Sep 21 09:07:07 gaia postfix/smtpd[6392]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from > bay101-f11.bay101.hotmail.com[64.4.56.21]: 554 Service unavailable; Client > host [64.4.56.21

Hotmail on sorbs?!?

2005-09-21 Thread email builder
Complaint from a user led me to find this in our logfile: Sep 21 09:07:07 gaia postfix/smtpd[6392]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from bay101-f11.bay101.hotmail.com[64.4.56.21]: 554 Service unavailable; Client host [64.4.56.21] blocked using dnsbl.sorbs.net; Spam Received See: http://www.sorbs.net/lookup.