How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-29 Thread Eric Lemings
How do I use SpamAssassin (along with any other necessary mail software) to kill spam dead? I mean so that it doesn't even reach my mail spool directory. I've looked in FAQ after FAQ, site after site, book after book, and the closest thing to an answer that I've found is the chapter in O'Reill

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-29 Thread Michele Neylon :: Blacknight
Eric Lemings wrote: How do I use SpamAssassin (along with any other necessary mail software) to kill spam dead? I mean so that it doesn't even reach my mail spool directory. I've looked in FAQ after FAQ, site after site, book after book, and the closest thing to an answer that I've found i

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-29 Thread jdow
From: "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Eric Lemings wrote: How do I use SpamAssassin (along with any other necessary mail software) to kill spam dead? I mean so that it doesn't even reach my mail spool directory. I've looked in FAQ after FAQ, site after site, book after bo

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-29 Thread SM
At 18:12 29-05-2007, Eric Lemings wrote: How do I use SpamAssassin (along with any other necessary mail software) to kill spam dead? I mean so that it doesn't even reach my mail spool directory. I've looked in FAQ after FAQ, site after site, book after book, and the closest thing to an ans

RE: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-30 Thread Eric Lemings
> -Original Message- > From: SM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:54 PM > To: users@spamassassin.apache.org > Subject: Re: How To Kill Spam Dead? > > At 18:12 29-05-2007, Eric Lemings wrote: > > > >How do I use SpamAssassin (al

RE: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-30 Thread Eric Lemings
> -Original Message- > From: jdow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 7:39 PM > To: users@spamassassin.apache.org > Subject: Re: How To Kill Spam Dead? > > From: "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > &g

RE: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-30 Thread SM
At 07:55 30-05-2007, Eric Lemings wrote: Where exactly are these docs? All I see is a page full of links. These links point to software which can be used with SpamAssassin. If you follow the links, you should see a webpage to download the software. That webpage may contain instructions on

RE: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-30 Thread John D. Hardin
On Wed, 30 May 2007, Eric Lemings wrote: > I read through these Procmail docs and all I found was how to filter > spam -- that is, it's still passed through the delivery process. > > For certain levels of spam (as scored by SpamAssassin), I don't even > want to see it. I want Sendmail (via a mil

RE: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-30 Thread John D. Hardin
On Wed, 30 May 2007, John D. Hardin wrote: > Take a look at the spamassassin procmail ruleset at > http://www.impsec/org/~jhardin/antispam/ for a starting point. Bah. That URL should, of course, be: http://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/antispam/ -- John Hardin KA7OHZhttp://www

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-31 Thread jdow
From: "John D. Hardin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Wed, 30 May 2007, John D. Hardin wrote: Take a look at the spamassassin procmail ruleset at http://www.impsec/org/~jhardin/antispam/ for a starting point. Bah. That URL should, of course, be: http://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/antispam/ Your req

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-31 Thread jdow
From: "John D. Hardin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Wed, 30 May 2007, John D. Hardin wrote: Take a look at the spamassassin procmail ruleset at http://www.impsec/org/~jhardin/antispam/ for a starting point. Bah. That URL should, of course, be: http://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/antispam/ THAT said

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-31 Thread Dennis Kavadas
guys, even though we use SA for tagging... the real short to long term solution is TMDA just my 2c worth On 5/31/07, jdow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: "John D. Hardin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Wed, 30 May 2007, John D. Hardin wrote: > >> Take a look at the spamassassin procmail ruleset a

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-31 Thread Per Jessen
Dennis Kavadas wrote: > guys, even though we use SA for tagging... the real short to long term > solution is TMDA I remember one of my friends saying just that - about 5 years ago. It might be fine for personal email, but it's not very useful in a business context. Too much end-user education r

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-31 Thread John Rudd
Per Jessen wrote: Dennis Kavadas wrote: guys, even though we use SA for tagging... the real short to long term solution is TMDA I remember one of my friends saying just that - about 5 years ago. It might be fine for personal email, but it's not very useful in a business context. Too much en

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-31 Thread Matt Kettler
John Rudd wrote: > Per Jessen wrote: >> Dennis Kavadas wrote: >> >>> guys, even though we use SA for tagging... the real short to long term >>> solution is TMDA >> >> I remember one of my friends saying just that - about 5 years ago. It >> might be fine for personal email, but it's not very useful

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-31 Thread jdow
From: "Per Jessen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dennis Kavadas wrote: guys, even though we use SA for tagging... the real short to long term solution is TMDA I remember one of my friends saying just that - about 5 years ago. It might be fine for personal email, but it's not very useful in a business c

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-31 Thread jdow
From: "John Rudd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Per Jessen wrote: Dennis Kavadas wrote: guys, even though we use SA for tagging... the real short to long term solution is TMDA I remember one of my friends saying just that - about 5 years ago. It might be fine for personal email, but it's not very us

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-31 Thread jdow
From: "Matt Kettler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> John Rudd wrote: Per Jessen wrote: Dennis Kavadas wrote: guys, even though we use SA for tagging... the real short to long term solution is TMDA I remember one of my friends saying just that - about 5 years ago. It might be fine for personal email,

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-31 Thread John D. Hardin
On Thu, 31 May 2007, jdow wrote: > this following link might be a barely scratching the surface "good > start." Robert Alan Soloway has been arrested for a host of spam > related offenses. Now, if they apply a gruesome enough punishment > maybe others will become a little less likely to spam. +1

R: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-31 Thread Giampaolo Tomassoni
> -Messaggio originale- > Da: jdow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > From: "John D. Hardin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > On Wed, 30 May 2007, John D. Hardin wrote: > > > >> Take a look at the spamassassin procmail ruleset at > >> http://www.impsec/org/~jhardin/antispam/ for a starting point. > >

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-31 Thread Dennis Kavadas
most, if not all spam have spoofed addresses headers that do not resolve to a valid account on any host, that said, how is it a problem ? On 5/31/07, Matt Kettler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: John Rudd wrote: > Per Jessen wrote: >> Dennis Kavadas wrote: >> >>> guys, even though we use SA for tag

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-31 Thread Dennis Kavadas
if i had never meet you before and if i asked you to knock on my door before barging in, would you believe that was to much to ask of you ? On 6/1/07, jdow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: "Per Jessen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dennis Kavadas wrote: > guys, even though we use SA for tagging... th

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-31 Thread Dennis Kavadas
why ? On 5/31/07, John Rudd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Per Jessen wrote: > Dennis Kavadas wrote: > >> guys, even though we use SA for tagging... the real short to long term >> solution is TMDA > > I remember one of my friends saying just that - about 5 years ago. It > might be fine for perso

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-31 Thread Dennis Kavadas
why isn't it useful in a business context ? there sender gets a challange once ! ...how is that a problem ? On 5/31/07, Per Jessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dennis Kavadas wrote: > guys, even though we use SA for tagging... the real short to long term > solution is TMDA I remember one of m

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-31 Thread Rick Macdougall
Dennis Kavadas wrote: most, if not all spam have spoofed addresses headers that do not resolve to a valid account on any host, that said, how is it a problem ? Tell that to my Inbox that gets 40 or 50 bounces a day from clueless admins who accept then bounce. I get info@, webmaster@, dns@ e

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-31 Thread Matthias Häker
Dennis Kavadas schrieb: if i had never meet you before and if i asked you to knock on my door before barging in, would you believe that was to much to ask of you ? think about it if 1.000.000 People claim to be me , and you ask always me if i was it how do you think i react Matthias Hä

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-31 Thread John Rudd
Dennis Kavadas wrote: why ? On 5/31/07, John Rudd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Per Jessen wrote: > Dennis Kavadas wrote: > >> guys, even though we use SA for tagging... the real short to long term >> solution is TMDA > > I remember one of my friends saying just that - about 5 years ago. It >

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-31 Thread Rick Macdougall
Dennis Kavadas wrote: if i had never meet you before and if i asked you to knock on my door before barging in, would you believe that was to much to ask of you ? If you are a business or someone looking for help, you either have an open door policy or you asked for someone to help you out. A

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-31 Thread John Rudd
Terrible analogy. How often do you get a million people all knocking on your door at once? Dennis Kavadas wrote: if i had never meet you before and if i asked you to knock on my door before barging in, would you believe that was to much to ask of you ? On 6/1/07, jdow <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-31 Thread John Rudd
If your assumption here were true, joe-job attacks would be practically unheard-of. And for it to be a successful joe-job attack, the sending account doesn't have to exist, only the sending mail domain has to exist. Dennis Kavadas wrote: most, if not all spam have spoofed addresses headers

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-31 Thread jdow
From: "Rick Macdougall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dennis Kavadas wrote: if i had never meet you before and if i asked you to knock on my door before barging in, would you believe that was to much to ask of you ? If you are a business or someone looking for help, you either have an open door policy

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-31 Thread Matt Kettler
Dennis Kavadas wrote: > most, if not all spam have spoofed addresses headers that do not > resolve to a valid account on any host, that said, how is it a problem ? Really? How are you so sure of this? Read up on the term "joe job".

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-31 Thread Michele Neylon :: Blacknight
Dennis Kavadas wrote: most, if not all spam have spoofed addresses headers that do not resolve to a valid account on any host Tell that to the thousands of our clients who have to deal with the bouncebacks and other junk -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Brand

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-31 Thread Dave Pooser
> think about it > > if 1.000.000 People claim to be me , and you ask always me if i was it > > how do you think i react I did run into what I consider to be a responsible C/R system today-- this is the NDR generated by my own mail server: This message was created automatically by mail delivery

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-31 Thread Rick Macdougall
jdow wrote: From: "Rick Macdougall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dennis Kavadas wrote: if i had never meet you before and if i asked you to knock on my door before barging in, would you believe that was to much to ask of you ? If you are a business or someone looking for help, you either have an op

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-31 Thread Dennis Kavadas
i think we all need to read the TMDA FAQ ! :-) On 6/1/07, Rick Macdougall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: jdow wrote: > From: "Rick Macdougall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Dennis Kavadas wrote: >>> if i had never meet you before and if i asked you to knock on my >>> door before barging in, would you

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-31 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 31 May 2007, John D. Hardin wrote: >On Thu, 31 May 2007, Rick Macdougall wrote: >> jdow wrote: >> > That level of rudeness does not set well with me. Call me a crotchety >> > old bitch if you want. But I will continue to reject C/R, often with >> > extreme prejudice, into the foreseeabl

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-31 Thread John D. Hardin
On Thu, 31 May 2007, Rick Macdougall wrote: > jdow wrote: > > > > That level of rudeness does not set well with me. Call me a crotchety old > > bitch if you want. But I will continue to reject C/R, often with > > extreme prejudice, into the foreseeable future. > > Heh, I think I love you :) +1

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-31 Thread John Rudd
I've read it in the past. What part do you think changes the issues being raised about challenge-response systems? Dennis Kavadas wrote: i think we all need to read the TMDA FAQ ! :-) On 6/1/07, Rick Macdougall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: jdow wrote: > From: "Rick Macdougall" <[EMAIL P

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-05-31 Thread Matt Kettler
Dennis Kavadas wrote: > i think we all need to read the TMDA FAQ ! :-) I have read the entire general section. None of it seems to address any of the concerns about TMDA posted by me or anyone else on this list. The only part that's even vaguely relevant to this discussion are sections 1.1 and 1.5.

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-06-01 Thread Per Jessen
Dennis Kavadas wrote: > why isn't it useful in a business context ? > there sender gets a challange once ! ...how is that a problem ? > Hi Dennis, It's not a problem per se, just not very useful. In a business context, in particular in a non-English speaking country, the challenge will often ca

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-06-01 Thread Justin Mason
Matt Kettler writes: > [lots of correct stuff] > ... > Anyone telling you spammers only or mostly use bogus return addresses > either hasn't studied spam extensively or is deluding themselves. Well, they *used* to use bogus addresses -- that was the case 2 or 3 years ago, before Sender Address Ve

Re: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-06-01 Thread jdow
From: "Justin Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Matt Kettler writes: [lots of correct stuff] ... Anyone telling you spammers only or mostly use bogus return addresses either hasn't studied spam extensively or is deluding themselves. Well, they *used* to use bogus addresses -- that was the case 2 or

Fw: How To Kill Spam Dead?

2007-06-02 Thread jdow
- From: "Dennis Kavadas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "jdow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, 2007, June 02 04:01 Subject: Re: How To Kill Spam Dead? read the TMDA FAQ ! On 6/2/07, jdow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: "Justin Mason" <[E