RE: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-27 Thread Michael Beckmann
to pay subscriptions for their autoupdate management stuff. -Original Message- From: Marc Perkel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 3:59 PM To: Jo Cc: Duane Hill; users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft Popularity is a factor

Re: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-27 Thread Jay Chandler
You have to explicitly choose that option.  Are you suggesting we shouldn't be able to choose that?  I'm not a big fan of trusting MS patches, as they tend to break things periodically...On Oct 27, 2006, at 8:47 AM, Michael Beckmann wrote:I think there is a problem where a version of XP downloads

Re: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-25 Thread Mike Woods
Mosenior 'Mo' Moses wrote: That is, Until it starts being used. Then all of the issues will be fixed in the next release ;-). I've noticed that M$ is always secure... before it goes into circulation. Reminds me of the old line about computer security The only way to completely secure

Re: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-25 Thread Chris Lear
* Marc Perkel wrote (25/10/06 05:22): Europeans have sued Microsoft many times. For anti-competitive behaviour, maybe. For copyright infringement, perhaps. But for attracting crime? For discriminating against owners of illegal software? I hope not. If you win, of course, you might take on php,

RE: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-25 Thread Thomas Mullins
That was a good one! Shane -Original Message- From: jdow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 6:42 PM To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft Yeah, but that's only effective in the three or four copies they manage

Re: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-25 Thread Kelson
Christopher Martin wrote: If you sit an average Windows user down in front of a system running Linux or something else Posix, they will bitch about having to log in, they will bitch about having to type in a password to install software and they will be frustrated when their torrent client

Re: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-25 Thread Kelson
Mike Woods wrote: The ultimate windows security accessory, A pair of scissors to cut the power cable :D A truly shocking idea! -- Kelson Vibber SpeedGate Communications www.speed.net

Re: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-25 Thread Magnus Holmgren
On Wednesday 25 October 2006 10:27, Mike Woods took the opportunity to say: Mosenior 'Mo' Moses wrote: That is, Until it starts being used. Then all of the issues will be fixed in the next release ;-). I've noticed that M$ is always secure... before it goes into circulation.

RE: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-25 Thread John D. Hardin
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006, Christopher Martin wrote: Yes, Microsoft should write tighter code. Is it grounds for a lawsuit? Well, I would suggest that any tech savvy judge (not that one exists) would throw the case out, citing that it is common knowledge that there are intrinsic security

Re: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-24 Thread Chris Lear
* Marc Perkel wrote (23/10/06 19:34): I'm considering filing a lawsuit against Microsoft to try to get an order to make them make public security updates for Windows to everyone, registered or not. The idea is that their product Windows creates a toxic byproduct (spam,ddos zombies) that

RE: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-24 Thread Thomas Mullins
thinking about suing Microsoft * Marc Perkel wrote (23/10/06 19:34): I'm considering filing a lawsuit against Microsoft to try to get an order to make them make public security updates for Windows to everyone, registered or not. The idea is that their product Windows creates a toxic

RE: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-24 Thread Chinta, Chaitanya Sai Krishna
Mullins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 6:08 PM To: Chris Lear; users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: RE: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft Don't worry about all of the security flaws currently in Windows. All security holes are fixed in Vista or Longhorn upgrade. Shane

RE: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-24 Thread Thomas Mullins
I was being somewhat sarcastic. I am a BSD nut. Shane -Original Message- From: Chinta, Chaitanya Sai Krishna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:56 AM To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: RE: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft I cannot beleive if some

Re: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-24 Thread jdow
From: Chris Lear [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Marc Perkel wrote (23/10/06 19:34): I'm considering filing a lawsuit against Microsoft to try to get an order to make them make public security updates for Windows to everyone, registered or not. The idea is that their product Windows creates a toxic

Re: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-24 Thread jdow
Yeah, but that's only effective in the three or four copies they manage to sell {^_-} - Original Message - From: Thomas Mullins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't worry about all of the security flaws currently in Windows. All security holes are fixed in Vista or Longhorn upgrade. Shane

R: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-24 Thread Giampaolo Tomassoni
Only in America... It might have a better chance of working in Europe where hugely deep pockets are not as effective a defense against lawsuits as in the US. In the US not even the government has pockets deep enough to sue MS over this issue. Oh, comeone: the last fee M$ had to pay was

Re: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-24 Thread Mosenior 'Mo' Moses
in the next release ;-). I've noticed that M$ is always secure... before it goes into circulation. Mo' -Original Message- From: Chris Lear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 5:38 AM To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: I'm thinking about suing

Re: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-24 Thread jdow
From: Giampaolo Tomassoni [EMAIL PROTECTED] Only in America... It might have a better chance of working in Europe where hugely deep pockets are not as effective a defense against lawsuits as in the US. In the US not even the government has pockets deep enough to sue MS over this issue. Oh,

R: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-24 Thread Giampaolo Tomassoni
Only in America... It might have a better chance of working in Europe where hugely deep pockets are not as effective a defense against lawsuits as in the US. In the US not even the government has pockets deep enough to sue MS over this issue. Oh, comeone: the last fee M$ had to pay

RE: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-24 Thread Christopher Martin
-Original Message- From: James Butler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2006 5:42 AM To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft Holding the position of most widely-attacked is no reason for it to also be least secure-due

Re: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-24 Thread Marc Perkel
Europeans have sued Microsoft many times. Chris Lear wrote: * Marc Perkel wrote (23/10/06 19:34): I'm considering filing a lawsuit against Microsoft to try to get an order to make them make public security updates for Windows to everyone, registered or not. The idea is that their product

I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-23 Thread Marc Perkel
I'm considering filing a lawsuit against Microsoft to try to get an order to make them make public security updates for Windows to everyone, registered or not. The idea is that their product Windows creates a toxic byproduct (spam,ddos zombies) that interfere with everyone else's internet

Re: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-23 Thread Duane Hill
Marc Perkel wrote: I'm considering filing a lawsuit against Microsoft to try to get an order to make them make public security updates for Windows to everyone, registered or not. The idea is that their product Windows creates a toxic byproduct (spam,ddos zombies) that interfere with everyone

Re: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-23 Thread Marc Perkel
Duane Hill wrote: Marc Perkel wrote: I'm considering filing a lawsuit against Microsoft to try to get an order to make them make public security updates for Windows to everyone, registered or not. The idea is that their product Windows creates a toxic byproduct (spam,ddos zombies) that

Re: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-23 Thread Jo
Duane Hill schreef: Marc Perkel wrote: I'm considering filing a lawsuit against Microsoft to try to get an order to make them make public security updates for Windows to everyone, registered or not. The idea is that their product Windows creates a toxic byproduct (spam,ddos zombies) that

Re: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-23 Thread Magnus Holmgren
On Monday 23 October 2006 20:34, Marc Perkel took the opportunity to say: I'm considering filing a lawsuit against Microsoft to try to get an order to make them make public security updates for Windows to everyone, registered or not. I thought they did? At least the message from WU/WGA on one

Re: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-23 Thread Will Nordmeyer
Marc Perkel wrote: Duane Hill wrote: Marc Perkel wrote: I'm considering filing a lawsuit against Microsoft to try to get an order to make them make public security updates for Windows to everyone, registered or not. The idea is that their product Windows creates a toxic

Re: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-23 Thread Evan Platt
At 12:35 PM 10/23/2006, you wrote: My opinion is that security patches should be available to everyone so as not to create an army of zombies. Aren't OS-X patches openly available? I believe so. But then again, there is no product key for OS/X. It's been a while since I installed OS/X, but

Re: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-23 Thread James Butler
Holding the position of most widely-attacked is no reason for it to also be least secure-due-to-widely-known-and-poorly-corrected-issues. Even if Apple/Posix products were as widely attacked as Windows products, the results would be far less damaging to the global infrastructure, despite Posix

Re: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-23 Thread Marc Perkel
Jo wrote: Duane Hill schreef: Marc Perkel wrote: I'm considering filing a lawsuit against Microsoft to try to get an order to make them make public security updates for Windows to everyone, registered or not. The idea is that their product Windows creates a toxic byproduct (spam,ddos

Re: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-23 Thread Peter H. Lemieux
Magnus Holmgren wrote: I thought they did? At least the message from WU/WGA on one computer with Windows XP I used recently was that unauthorised installations only get critical updates, but they do get those. Is that going to change with Vista? Yes. See, for instance,

Re: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-23 Thread Marc Perkel
Peter H. Lemieux wrote: Magnus Holmgren wrote: I thought they did? At least the message from WU/WGA on one computer with Windows XP I used recently was that unauthorised installations only get critical updates, but they do get those. Is that going to change with Vista? Yes. See, for

Re: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-23 Thread Magnus Holmgren
On Monday 23 October 2006 21:58, Peter H. Lemieux took the opportunity to say: Magnus Holmgren wrote: I thought they did? At least the message from WU/WGA on one computer with Windows XP I used recently was that unauthorised installations only get critical updates, but they do get those. Is

RE: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-23 Thread Rose, Bobby
management stuff. -Original Message- From: Marc Perkel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 3:59 PM To: Jo Cc: Duane Hill; users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft Popularity is a factor. But the real vulnerability is that Windows can

Re: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-23 Thread hamann . w
Jo wrote: Duane Hill schreef: Marc Perkel wrote: I'm considering filing a lawsuit against Microsoft to try to get an order to make them make public security updates for Windows to everyone, registered or not. The idea is that their product Windows creates a toxic byproduct

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2006-10-23 Thread Jo Rhett
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Re: I'm thinking about suing Microsoft

2006-10-23 Thread John Andersen
On Monday 23 October 2006 11:17, Duane Hill wrote: As it is now, Windows is the most widely used platform at present. That is the reason it is the most widely attacked. Ah, someone else who has drunk the cool-aid poured by Ballmer and Gates. Windows is attacked because its EASY, not