Re: How to report 120,000 spams a day

2008-03-11 Thread Joseph Brennan
So then they tell me to push the virtusertable out to the MX's. So I've asked multiple people multiple times how using sendmail on an MX thats not a final delivery server how to use the virtusertable to accept the mail, process against the virtusertable, and then when the final delivery server

Re: [spamassassin] Re: How to report 120,000 spams a day

2008-03-10 Thread Marc Perkel
SM wrote: At 17:51 08-03-2008, Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: As part of it all, I also want to try to keep disk usage and CPU down to as little as possible. With 120,000 per day, thats a junk mail every 3/4's of a second. Since I have it set to deliver to /dev/null, I reduce the amount of

[spamassassin] Re: How to report 120,000 spams a day

2008-03-10 Thread Kris Deugau
Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: There are considerations in doing this. Right now, all my systems are set up running sendmail, and all with the config of : define(`confCOPY_ERRORS_TO',`Postmaster') As such, true to its name, anytime there is an error, the postmaster gets a

RE: [spamassassin] Re: How to report 120,000 spams a day

2008-03-10 Thread Robert - elists
Seriously... How hard is it to setup the MX boxen to only allow 4 email addresses to pass for that particular domain, rejecting all others in the SMTP conversation? Unless the customer is dropping BIG DADDY $$$ with you, tell him policy change and that he isn't losing any email if you do not do

Re: How to report 120,000 spams a day

2008-03-10 Thread Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET
Seriously... How hard is it to setup the MX boxen to only allow 4 email addresses to pass for that particular domain, rejecting all others in the SMTP conversation? Unless the customer is dropping BIG DADDY $$$ with you, tell him policy change and that he isn't losing any email if you

Re: How to report 120,000 spams a day

2008-03-10 Thread Bob Proulx
Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: Everyone keeps telling me to push the userlist out to the MX. This isn't possible, since everything is handled in virtusertable. So then they tell me to push the virtusertable out to the MX's. You are begining to understand why MX relays are recommended against.

Re: How to report 120,000 spams a day

2008-03-10 Thread SM
At 11:47 10-03-2008, Bob Proulx wrote: What would have been the downside of *not* having a backup MX? The Loss of mail. mail would have remained in the mailqueue. Comcast, AOL, Yahoo, Gmail, corporate servers, private servers, etc. would have retried to send the mail to you later. When

Re: How to report 120,000 spams a day

2008-03-10 Thread Richard Frovarp
Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: Seriously... How hard is it to setup the MX boxen to only allow 4 email addresses to pass for that particular domain, rejecting all others in the SMTP conversation? Unless the customer is dropping BIG DADDY $$$ with you, tell him policy change and that he isn't losing

RE: How to report 120,000 spams a day

2008-03-10 Thread James E. Pratt
-Original Message- From: SM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 3:49 PM To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: How to report 120,000 spams a day At 11:47 10-03-2008, Bob Proulx wrote: What would have been the downside of *not* having a backup MX

Re: How to report 120,000 spams a day

2008-03-10 Thread Sandy S
Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: Hi, Everyone keeps telling me to push the userlist out to the MX. This isn't possible, since everything is handled in virtusertable. So then they tell me to push the virtusertable out to the MX's. So I've asked multiple people multiple times how using sendmail

Re: How to report 120,000 spams a day

2008-03-10 Thread Bob Proulx
James E. Pratt wrote: Bob Proulx wrote: What would have been the downside of *not* having a backup MX? The Loss of mail. No. Possible mail loss is really the correct term. Just because I have no backup MX, it does not mean I will lose mail (Mail loss can, and usually is caused

Re: How to report 120,000 spams a day

2008-03-10 Thread Kelson
Sandy S wrote: OK, I admit I haven't been following this thread closely so I may have missed something and maybe my suggestion won't fit your needs. However, we're accomplishing something like what you describe above using Mimedefang. The Mimedefang milter includes a function called

RE: How to report 120,000 spams a day

2008-03-10 Thread SM
At 13:38 10-03-2008, James E. Pratt wrote: No. Possible mail loss is really the correct term. Just because I have no backup MX, it does not mean I will lose mail (Mail loss can, and usually is caused by many more issues than just no backup/secondary MX). Yes. At 14:20 10-03-2008, Bob

Re: How to report 120,000 spams a day

2008-03-10 Thread Yet Another Ninja
On 3/10/2008 7:15 PM, Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: In any case, if someone can explain the mechanics of having a sendmail MX that is not the final delivery server do localized verification against something and then pass it along to the final delivery server please let me know. Its not

Re: [spamassassin] Re: How to report 120,000 spams a day

2008-03-09 Thread SM
At 17:51 08-03-2008, Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: As part of it all, I also want to try to keep disk usage and CPU down to as little as possible. With 120,000 per day, thats a junk mail every 3/4's of a second. Since I have it set to deliver to /dev/null, I reduce the amount of disk usage.

Re: [spamassassin] Re: [spamassassin] Re: How to report 120,000 spams a day

2008-03-09 Thread Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET
At 17:51 08-03-2008, Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: As part of it all, I also want to try to keep disk usage and CPU down to as little as possible. With 120,000 per day, thats a junk mail every 3/4's of a second. Since I have it set to deliver to /dev/null, I reduce the amount of disk

Re: [spamassassin] Re: [spamassassin] Re: How to report 120,000 spams a day

2008-03-09 Thread Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET
Automatic reporting - that's another thing entirely. As was pointed out in previous replys, the user community is not always accurate in reporting what is legit spam, and what is/was requested or permitted. I tend to report manually, although I am writing some code to semi-automate the

Re: [spamassassin] Re: [spamassassin] Re: How to report 120,000 spams a day

2008-03-09 Thread SM
At 11:01 09-03-2008, Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: I guess I'm still not being clear. There are 120K emails a day coming to INVALID EMAIL ADDRESSES THAT NEVER EXISTED. Its not a case of a user being fickle, its a case that they are emailing addresses that NEVER EVER ACTUALLY EXISTED. About 1

RE: [spamassassin] Re: [spamassassin] Re: How to report 120,000 spams a day

2008-03-09 Thread Robert - elists
Hi, Thanks for the reply. In as much as I'd like to help the community, I'm under a set of constraints. Starting a whole other server to start doing this isn't something that fits under those constraints. It looks like I'll probably just end up having to /dev/null them as I have

Re: [spamassassin] RE: [spamassassin] Re: [spamassassin] Re: How to report 120,000 spams a day

2008-03-09 Thread Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET
Hi, Thanks for the reply. In as much as I'd like to help the community, I'm under a set of constraints. Starting a whole other server to start doing this isn't something that fits under those constraints. It looks like I'll probably just end up having to /dev/null them as I

Re: [spamassassin] Re: [spamassassin] Re: How to report 120,000 spams a day

2008-03-09 Thread mouss
Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: I guess I'm still not being clear. There are 120K emails a day coming to INVALID EMAIL ADDRESSES THAT NEVER EXISTED. Its not a case of a user being fickle, its a case that they are emailing addresses that NEVER EVER ACTUALLY EXISTED. About 1 ever 3/4 of a

Re: How to report 120,000 spams a day

2008-03-08 Thread Tuc at T-B-O-H
Hi, Our mail server receives about 128K emails a day. Of those, 120K are absolutely known spam so I don't even run them through spamassassin. Of the 8K left, 6K are determined to be spams, and 2K are considered good. I'm wondering if there is some way to help the

Re: How to report 120,000 spams a day

2008-03-08 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 08.03.08 18:28, Tuc at T-B-O-H wrote: Our mail server receives about 128K emails a day. Of those, 120K are absolutely known spam so I don't even run them through spamassassin. Of the 8K left, 6K are determined to be spams, and 2K are considered good. I'm wondering if there

Re: [spamassassin] Re: How to report 120,000 spams a day

2008-03-08 Thread Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET
On 08.03.08 18:28, Tuc at T-B-O-H wrote: Our mail server receives about 128K emails a day. Of those, 120K are absolutely known spam so I don't even run them through spamassassin. Of the 8K left, 6K are determined to be spams, and 2K are considered good. I'm wondering if

Re: [spamassassin] Re: How to report 120,000 spams a day

2008-03-08 Thread Michael Scheidell
- fantomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: [spamassassin] Re: How to report 120,000 spams a day On 08.03.08 18:28, Tuc at T-B-O-H wrote: Thanks for the reply. I have a feeling that I'm not explaining myself well enough given this and private replies I've

Re: [spamassassin] Re: How to report 120,000 spams a day

2008-03-08 Thread Steve Cloutier
Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: On 08.03.08 18:28, Tuc at T-B-O-H wrote: Our mail server receives about 128K emails a day. Of those, 120K are absolutely known spam so I don't even run them through spamassassin. Of the 8K left, 6K are determined to be spams, and 2K are considered