Re: skew the AWL on spam report

2008-12-04 Thread James Wilkinson
Matt Kettler wrote: If a spammer is using the same sending address over and over again, blacklist them entirely. That said, I've never seen a spammer re-use the same address twice. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen – only that you’re not on any “narrowcast” lists (e.g. “Email 200,000 British

Re: skew the AWL on spam report

2008-12-04 Thread Graham Murray
Brian J. Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I get a spam and I need to have SA learn that it's spam with sa-learn, wouldn't it be useful to also skew the AWL for that sender so that future uses of the AWL for that spammer will push the overall spam score up? And also useful[1] for the

Re: skew the AWL on spam report

2008-12-04 Thread mouss
Matt Kettler a écrit : I am thinking about this case: Joe the spammer bombs you with mail that is not detected as spam. he gets a negative awl. That statement implies that there's a score for the user in the AWL. The AWL score varies with what the current messages pre-awl score. The AWL can

Re: skew the AWL on spam report

2008-12-04 Thread Matt Kettler
mouss wrote: - is it enough to pass few messages? (in short, does manual training have more weight than automatic awl learning?) There's no such thing as manual training of the AWL. Actually, there's no such thing as training for it either. The AWL averages scores. nothing more,

Re: skew the AWL on spam report

2008-12-04 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 18:35 -0500, Matt Kettler wrote: ie: you can't tell sa-learn a message is spam and have it apply that information in any way to the AWL. I guess that's really what my point was, and I expressed it poorly. I guess as the OP of this thread, my point was that why

Re: skew the AWL on spam report

2008-12-04 Thread Matt Kettler
Brian J. Murrell wrote: On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 18:35 -0500, Matt Kettler wrote: ie: you can't tell sa-learn a message is spam and have it apply that information in any way to the AWL. I guess that's really what my point was, and I expressed it poorly. I guess as the OP of this

Re: skew the AWL on spam report

2008-12-04 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 22:38 -0500, Matt Kettler wrote: That said, why add code to sa-learn when spamassassin can already do something even more complete. Try feeding the message spamassassin -r --add-to-blacklist. Ahhh. I was mistakenly thinking that sa-learn == [ update-bayes database +

Re: skew the AWL on spam report

2008-12-04 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 22:38 -0500, Matt Kettler wrote: To follow-up on this suggestion... That said, why add code to sa-learn when spamassassin can already do something even more complete. Try feeding the message spamassassin -r --add-to-blacklist. It seems (looking at -D output) that

Re: skew the AWL on spam report

2008-12-04 Thread Matt Kettler
Brian J. Murrell wrote: On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 22:38 -0500, Matt Kettler wrote: To follow-up on this suggestion... That said, why add code to sa-learn when spamassassin can already do something even more complete. Try feeding the message spamassassin -r --add-to-blacklist. It

Re: skew the AWL on spam report

2008-12-03 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Wed, December 3, 2008 05:48, Matt Kettler wrote: That said, I've never seen a spammer re-use the same address twice. i have :-) olso why spf / dkim whitelist is the way to go, let spammers try to get whitelisted microsoft got it wroung with Block Sender :) -- Benny Pedersen Need more

Re: skew the AWL on spam report

2008-12-03 Thread Jeff Mincy
From: Matt Kettler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:48:57 -0500 Brian J. Murrell wrote: If I get a spam and I need to have SA learn that it's spam with sa-learn, wouldn't it be useful to also skew the AWL for that sender so that future uses of the AWL for that

Re: skew the AWL on spam report

2008-12-03 Thread Nigel Frankcom
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:56:58 -0500, Jeff Mincy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Matt Kettler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:48:57 -0500 Brian J. Murrell wrote: If I get a spam and I need to have SA learn that it's spam with sa-learn, wouldn't it be useful to also

SAGrey plugin (was: Re: skew the AWL on spam report)

2008-12-03 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 17:38 +, Nigel Frankcom wrote: Is Mail::SpamAssassin::Plugin::SAGrey part of the stat SA set? Neither yum nor CPAN seem to be able to find it here... though that could easily be down to user error. Google finds it quite easily. ;)

Re: skew the AWL on spam report

2008-12-03 Thread mouss
Matt Kettler a écrit : Brian J. Murrell wrote: If I get a spam and I need to have SA learn that it's spam with sa-learn, wouldn't it be useful to also skew the AWL for that sender so that future uses of the AWL for that spammer will push the overall spam score up? Thots? If a spammer

Re: skew the AWL on spam report

2008-12-03 Thread Matt Kettler
mouss wrote: Matt Kettler a écrit : Brian J. Murrell wrote: If I get a spam and I need to have SA learn that it's spam with sa-learn, wouldn't it be useful to also skew the AWL for that sender so that future uses of the AWL for that spammer will push the overall spam score up?

Re: skew the AWL on spam report

2008-12-03 Thread mouss
Matt Kettler a écrit : mouss wrote: Matt Kettler a écrit : Brian J. Murrell wrote: If I get a spam and I need to have SA learn that it's spam with sa-learn, wouldn't it be useful to also skew the AWL for that sender so that future uses of the AWL for that spammer will push the

Re: skew the AWL on spam report

2008-12-03 Thread Matt Kettler
mouss wrote: Matt Kettler a écrit : mouss wrote: Matt Kettler a écrit : Brian J. Murrell wrote: If I get a spam and I need to have SA learn that it's spam with sa-learn, wouldn't it be useful to also skew the AWL for that sender so that future uses of

skew the AWL on spam report

2008-12-02 Thread Brian J. Murrell
If I get a spam and I need to have SA learn that it's spam with sa-learn, wouldn't it be useful to also skew the AWL for that sender so that future uses of the AWL for that spammer will push the overall spam score up? Thots? b.

Re: skew the AWL on spam report

2008-12-02 Thread Matt Kettler
Brian J. Murrell wrote: If I get a spam and I need to have SA learn that it's spam with sa-learn, wouldn't it be useful to also skew the AWL for that sender so that future uses of the AWL for that spammer will push the overall spam score up? Thots? If a spammer is using the same sending