Re: [T5] improve documentation

2009-01-21 Thread Borut Bolčina
Hi, also a guide/recipes/good practices/tips/chapter for converting JSP applications to Tapestry 5 would be very welcome. At least a paragraph clarifying questions like: Can I have JSPs in my Tapestry 5 application or do I have to have two web applications talking somehow to each other?, How to

RE: [T5] improve documentation

2009-01-21 Thread Newham, Cameron
no idea how it is going. Does anyone know?) Maybe a similar thing should be done w.r.t this current issue? c. -Original Message- From: Borut Bolčina [mailto:borut.bolc...@gmail.com] Sent: 21 January 2009 08:58 To: Tapestry users Subject: Re: [T5] improve documentation Hi, also a guide

Re: [T5] improve documentation

2009-01-21 Thread Ulrich Stärk
on it (I have no idea how it is going. Does anyone know?) Maybe a similar thing should be done w.r.t this current issue? c. -Original Message- From: Borut Bolčina [mailto:borut.bolc...@gmail.com] Sent: 21 January 2009 08:58 To: Tapestry users Subject: Re: [T5] improve documentation Hi

Re: [T5] improve documentation

2009-01-21 Thread Peter Stavrinides
, Bucharest, Istanbul Subject: Re: [T5] improve documentation I don't think that someone has to be appointed to do it. Everyone can contribute by writing an improvement, opening an issue in JIRA and attaching the improvement to it. As to the book you mentioned, I think the initiative came

Re: [T5] improve documentation

2009-01-21 Thread Tobias Marx
An: Tapestry users users@tapestry.apache.org Betreff: Re: [T5] improve documentation Everyone can contribute by writing an improvement Absolutely! Tapestry is community driven with a small team of developers... they have limited time and simply can't do it all. The documentation task should

Re: [T5] improve documentation

2009-01-21 Thread Peter Stavrinides
superoverdr...@gmx.de To: users@tapestry.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, 21 January, 2009 17:03:04 GMT +02:00 Athens, Beirut, Bucharest, Istanbul Subject: Re: [T5] improve documentation In the long-term it is better though if every developer provides an example to the code he has done. This way

Re: [T5] improve documentation

2009-01-21 Thread Tobias Marx
Stavrinides p.stavrini...@albourne.com An: Tapestry users users@tapestry.apache.org Betreff: Re: [T5] improve documentation I know many people who have started with Tapestry, but reached a point with no solution and resorted to another framework I reached that point when it was announced that T5

Re: [T5] improve documentation

2009-01-21 Thread Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
Em Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:03:04 -0300, Tobias Marx superoverdr...@gmx.de escreveu: I know many people who have started with Tapestry, but reached a point with no solution and resorted to another framework as they were in a hurry to get it done. Did these people post their questions in the

Re: [T5] improve documentation

2009-01-21 Thread Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
Em Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:15:11 -0300, Tobias Marx superoverdr...@gmx.de escreveu: Yes, but Screencasts only show you easy examples you can do those do what you see in those screencasts and it works wonderfullybut then you want to move on and change something, e.g. additional columns

Re: [T5] improve documentation

2009-01-21 Thread superoverdrive
Be sure it is well written. Sometimes there are some messages so badly written or so vague that people just don't take the time to even understand them. I think this should be clearly written: http://wiki.apache.org/tapestry/WishList?highlight=(wishlist) I have put it on the Wish List

Re: [T5] improve documentation

2009-01-21 Thread Angelo Turetta
superoverdr...@gmx.de wrote: I have put it on the Wish List are there does not seem to be a solution yet? It's not actually evident what you added to that page, given superoverdrive Toby. For others' reference, your addition is:

Re: [T5] improve documentation

2009-01-21 Thread superoverdrive
It is 1:1 the text from the mailing list as far as I remember..just with a formatted table on the Wiki. So you mean it could work by extending BeanEdit Form? Anyway, so I think, considering the time to do this, it was a good decision to use Wicket for this part and T5 for the frontend

Re: [T5] improve documentation

2009-01-21 Thread Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
Em Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:17:29 -0300, Angelo Turetta aturetta+apa...@bestunion.it escreveu: I think what you ask is feasible: it's not that different from what is done by BeanEditForm, just the source of the field list is not determined by reflection but loaded from an external source. I

Re: [T5] improve documentation

2009-01-20 Thread Otho
Totally right in my opinion. Tapestry is not very newbie friendly at first, but when you get a hang of it it beats every other framework I tried out by a large margin. At least for me. But some totally artificial or useless application which is just done to demonstrate all of the features won't

Re: [T5] improve documentation

2009-01-19 Thread Peter Stavrinides
anything thats excess (EJB etc). Peter - Original Message - From: Geoff Callender geoff.callender.jumpst...@gmail.com To: Tapestry users users@tapestry.apache.org Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 17:16:48 GMT +02:00 Athens, Beirut, Bucharest, Istanbul Subject: Re: [T5] improve

Re: [T5] improve documentation

2009-01-19 Thread Otho
). Peter - Original Message - From: Geoff Callender geoff.callender.jumpst...@gmail.com To: Tapestry users users@tapestry.apache.org Sent: Sunday, 18 January, 2009 17:16:48 GMT +02:00 Athens, Beirut, Bucharest, Istanbul Subject: Re: [T5] improve documentation I completely agree too

Re: [T5] improve documentation

2009-01-19 Thread Thiago HP
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Otho taa...@googlemail.com wrote: Jumpstart is great, especially for looking some techniques up and see how certain details are done. But does it really suit as a single Tutorial application where you go from nil to something useable? I think both are very

Re: [T5] improve documentation

2009-01-18 Thread Otho
I would prefer a prototypical community application to start the usual webapp. So user management, registration with email validation and capchas, profiles, user groups, fine grained security, optionally simplistic blogs, forums, pm's and a bit of content management etc. I tend to copy that

Re: [T5] improve documentation

2009-01-18 Thread Geoff Callender
I completely agree too. A search facility of the existing site would be a huge leap forward. On 16/01/2009, at 9:23 AM, Szemere Szemere wrote: Completely agree with the sentiments expressed. Too often I've had to use Google or similar to find what I'm looking for in the Tapestry

Re: [T5] improve documentation

2009-01-16 Thread James Hillyerd
I quite like the existing tutorial, I was just disappointed it ended so abruptly. :) I think whatever docs come around in the future, they need to cover more on Encoders/Translators/Coercers - as that was one of the most difficult things for me to learn. Honestly, I still barely understand when

Re: [T5] improve documentation

2009-01-15 Thread Szemere Szemere
Completely agree with the sentiments expressed. Too often I've had to use Google or similar to find what I'm looking for in the Tapestry documentation. Having it split across at least 4 different places and in some places confused with Tapestry4 is awkward. Szemere

RE: [T5] improve documentation

2009-01-14 Thread Newham, Cameron
to common problems, and a bit more filling out. -Original Message- From: Andy Pahne [mailto:andy.pa...@googlemail.com] Sent: 13 January 2009 21:15 To: Tapestry users Subject: Re: [T5] improve documentation I'd prefer if it were more like jumpstart than petstore. Any chance jumpstart

Re: RE: [T5] improve documentation

2009-01-14 Thread superoverdrive
Jumpstart would also be a good idea Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:22:13 - Von: Newham, Cameron cameron.new...@bl.uk An: Tapestry users users@tapestry.apache.org Betreff: RE: [T5] improve documentation I second this. I much prefer the cookbook

Re: [T5] improve documentation

2009-01-14 Thread Peter Stavrinides
: Re: RE: [T5] improve documentation Jumpstart would also be a good idea Original-Nachricht Datum: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:22:13 - Von: Newham, Cameron cameron.new...@bl.uk An: Tapestry users users@tapestry.apache.org Betreff: RE: [T5] improve documentation I second

[T5] improve documentation

2009-01-13 Thread Ulrich Stärk
Hi all, Tapestry's current documentation is very complete, covering almost everything a developer needs to know to be productive with Tapestry. Unfortunately this documentation is clustered across several locations thus making it hard to find information and very hard for beginners to get

Re: [T5] improve documentation

2009-01-13 Thread Howard Lewis Ship
I've been coming to the same conclusion. I'm clearing time with my boss to pursue this, along with several online articles. I have an idea for an application that can demonstrate every bit of Tapestry and be useful to boot. So the guide is the reference, what I have planned is the tour. It

Re: [T5] improve documentation

2009-01-13 Thread Ulrich Stärk
I'd be happy to help and contribute. Uli Howard Lewis Ship schrieb: I've been coming to the same conclusion. I'm clearing time with my boss to pursue this, along with several online articles. I have an idea for an application that can demonstrate every bit of Tapestry and be useful to boot.

Re: [T5] improve documentation

2009-01-13 Thread superoverdrive
@tapestry.apache.org Betreff: Re: [T5] improve documentation I've been coming to the same conclusion. I'm clearing time with my boss to pursue this, along with several online articles. I have an idea for an application that can demonstrate every bit of Tapestry and be useful to boot. So the guide

Re: [T5] improve documentation

2009-01-13 Thread Andy Pahne
Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:15:44 -0800 Von: Howard Lewis Ship hls...@gmail.com An: Tapestry users users@tapestry.apache.org Betreff: Re: [T5] improve documentation I've been coming to the same conclusion. I'm clearing time with my boss to pursue

Re: [T5] improve documentation

2009-01-13 Thread Kevin Monceaux
On Tue, 13 Jan 2009, Howard Lewis Ship wrote: I have an idea for an application that can demonstrate every bit of Tapestry and be useful to boot. This is great news!!! As a struggling newbie this is exactly what I've been looking for. I will be eagerly awaiting it's development. Here