Re: How do LockOutRealms work ?

2015-09-01 Thread Ognjen Blagojevic
Mark, On 31.8.2015 12:42, Mark Thomas wrote: I experienced situations where the user calls the first level service desk and a ticket goes all its way to someone who can read the server logs and understand the issue... Not exactly optimal. I agree. That is why most organisations provide

Re: How do LockOutRealms work ?

2015-09-01 Thread Mark Thomas
On 01/09/2015 08:11, Ognjen Blagojevic wrote: > Mark, > > On 31.8.2015 12:42, Mark Thomas wrote: >>> I experienced situations where the user calls the first level service >>> desk and a ticket goes all its way to someone who can read the server >>> logs and understand the issue... Not exactly

Re: How do LockOutRealms work ?

2015-09-01 Thread Mark Thomas
On 31/08/2015 20:28, George Sexton wrote: > > > On 8/31/2015 8:54 AM, Christopher Schultz wrote: >> You also tell them how long they have to wait before they can resume >> their brute-force attack without wasting their own time. >>> Must better to let a brute force attacker pound away at a

Re: How do LockOutRealms work ?

2015-08-31 Thread Sreyan Chakravarty
In your opinion would a security framework help in doing this ? Like Apache Shiro ? On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 9:51 PM, Mark Thomas wrote: > On 29/08/2015 21:51, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote: > > Is there any way I can tell the user that what number of login attempt he > > is on ?

Re: How do LockOutRealms work ?

2015-08-31 Thread Ludovic Pénet
I can't see what would be the risks with being able to explain "This account is locked for X minutes"... I experienced situations where the user calls the first level service desk and a ticket goes all its way to someone who can read the server logs and understand the issue... Not exactly

Re: How do LockOutRealms work ?

2015-08-31 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Mark, On 8/31/15 6:42 AM, Mark Thomas wrote: > On 31/08/2015 07:32, Ludovic Pénet wrote: >> I can't see what would be the risks with being able to explain >> "This account is locked for X minutes"... > > An attacker performing a brute force attack

Re: How do LockOutRealms work ?

2015-08-31 Thread George Sexton
On 8/31/2015 8:54 AM, Christopher Schultz wrote: You also tell them how long they have to wait before they can resume their brute-force attack without wasting their own time. Must better to let a brute force attacker pound away at a locked account wasting their resources and probably tripping

Re: How do LockOutRealms work ?

2015-08-31 Thread Ludovic Pénet
The points you raise are, of course real and important. I would probably decide the same as you for a high profile, publicly available application. I however most often have to develop complex apps only used by, at most, 100s of corporate users. I know perimetric security is less and less

Re: How do LockOutRealms work ?

2015-08-31 Thread Mark Thomas
On 31/08/2015 07:32, Ludovic Pénet wrote: > I can't see what would be the risks with being able to explain "This account > is locked for X minutes"... An attacker performing a brute force attack has zero knowledge. They have to guess both user names and passwords. Telling an attacker an account

Re: How do LockOutRealms work ?

2015-08-30 Thread Mark Thomas
On 29/08/2015 21:51, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote: Is there any way I can tell the user that what number of login attempt he is on ? While using the LockOutRealm any way to display his login attempt on an html or jsp page ? With the LockOutRealm as currently written, no. If you extend it and

Re: How do LockOutRealms work ?

2015-08-29 Thread Sreyan Chakravarty
Is there any way I can tell the user that what number of login attempt he is on ? While using the LockOutRealm any way to display his login attempt on an html or jsp page ? On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Christopher Schultz ch...@christopherschultz.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED

Re: How do LockOutRealms work ?

2015-08-24 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Sreyan, On 8/23/15 2:54 PM, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote: I am confused with the functioning of LockOutRealms in Tomcat. My questions are as follows-: 1. Say user at IP 10.10.10.1 has reached the maximum number of invalid login attempts and

How do LockOutRealms work ?

2015-08-23 Thread Sreyan Chakravarty
I am confused with the functioning of LockOutRealms in Tomcat. My questions are as follows-: 1. Say user at IP 10.10.10.1 has reached the maximum number of invalid login attempts and is locked out. Now say a user from 10.10.10.2 attempts to login, will Tomcat stop him too since he is