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RE: [OT] Imperialism and sad demise

2010-04-01 Thread Caldarale, Charles R
> From: André Warnier [mailto:a...@ice-sa.com] > Subject: Re: [OT] Imperialism and sad demise > > We also did probably not get the coverage over here, about the > Google/Topeka story, as this is the first I hear about it. Let's hope this works outside of the US: http://goo

Re: [OT] Imperialism and sad demise

2010-04-01 Thread André Warnier
Caldarale, Charles R wrote: From: André Warnier [mailto:a...@ice-sa.com] Subject: [OT] Imperialism and sad demise www.lmgtfy.com now seems to lead to a search page named Topeka By design (or at least intent). This is Google's 1 April response to the city of Topeka, Kansas offic

Re: [OT] Imperialism and sad demise

2010-04-01 Thread Ken Bowen
"...Toto, I don't think we're in Kansas anymore!" On Apr 1, 2010, at 4:10 PM, Caldarale, Charles R wrote: From: André Warnier [mailto:a...@ice-sa.com] Subject: [OT] Imperialism and sad demise www.lmgtfy.com now seems to lead to a search page named Topeka By design

RE: [OT] Imperialism and sad demise

2010-04-01 Thread Caldarale, Charles R
> From: André Warnier [mailto:a...@ice-sa.com] > Subject: [OT] Imperialism and sad demise > > www.lmgtfy.com now seems to lead to a search page named Topeka By design (or at least intent). This is Google's 1 April response to the city of Topeka, Kansas officially changing it

Re: [OT] Imperialism and sad demise

2010-04-01 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Len, On 4/1/2010 3:30 PM, Len Popp wrote: > That's terrible! I predict a humungous backlash from lmgtfy users, and > they'll be forced to restore the old service. Probably by tomorrow > morning. :-) I've certainly registered my complaint! - -chris -

Re: [OT] Imperialism and sad demise

2010-04-01 Thread Len Popp
That's terrible! I predict a humungous backlash from lmgtfy users, and they'll be forced to restore the old service. Probably by tomorrow morning. :-) -- Len On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 15:25, André Warnier wrote: > Well, fellow Tomcatters, it is with deep sadness that I have to report that > one o

[OT] Imperialism and sad demise

2010-04-01 Thread André Warnier
Well, fellow Tomcatters, it is with deep sadness that I have to report that one of the most beloved tools used on this forum seems to have been hijacked. www.lmgtfy.com now seems to lead to a search page named Topeka, with a logo eerily reminiscent of something else, but which leads to a search

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-03-02 Thread Jeanfrancois Arcand
Remy Maucherat wrote: On 2/28/06, Peter Lin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: honestly, besides Weblogic, most servlet and ejb containers do not provide simple and clear instructions for tracing issues. With websphere, you have to buy an expensive license of WASD and even then debugging an issue won

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-03-01 Thread Tomasz Nowak
Peter Lin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > honestly, I really doubt logging will produce anything useful beyond > the VM dump you already posted. My first hand experience, the logs > won't help at this point. What needs to happen is to step through the > code and see exactly what is happening. > > i

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-03-01 Thread Peter Lin
honestly, I really doubt logging will produce anything useful beyond the VM dump you already posted. My first hand experience, the logs won't help at this point. What needs to happen is to step through the code and see exactly what is happening. if you don't have access to a profiler, the other op

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-03-01 Thread Tomasz Nowak
Filip Hanik - Dev Lists <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This could be completely unrelated, but let me throw something at you, > maybe it will help > btw. I prefer to run mod_proxy over mod_jk over http, much simpler, > and > in *our* load tests has scaled much better during stress. > > >Response a

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-03-01 Thread Tomasz Nowak
Peter Lin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > my advice is dive in and try to debug it, or hire someone with > experience debugging webapps. > > there's no much others can do for you at this point, since it's > debugging. good luck. I've just meant configuring the logging system: > > > So how can I:

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-03-01 Thread Filip Hanik - Dev Lists
This could be completely unrelated, but let me throw something at you, maybe it will help btw. I prefer to run mod_proxy over mod_jk over http, much simpler, and in *our* load tests has scaled much better during stress. >Response already committed This can happen if your servlet/jsp has code

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-03-01 Thread Peter Lin
my advice is dive in and try to debug it, or hire someone with experience debugging webapps. there's no much others can do for you at this point, since it's debugging. good luck. peter On 3/1/06, Tomasz Nowak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tomasz Nowak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hm. Her

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-03-01 Thread Tomasz Nowak
Tomasz Nowak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hm. Here is my logging.properties: > http://www.biochip.pl/logging.properties.txt > The way new vhosts are added is pretty stupid for me but > lets forget about the semantics now. > > I've added swallowOutput attibute to serveral context. > How should it

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-03-01 Thread Tomasz Nowak
Peter Lin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > another potential solution is to try a different JVM like Bea's > JRockit. JRockit provides some built in profiling capabilities, so > that is another way to get some profile data quickly. I've read about jrockit 5.0 SP1. They say it has a new feature that

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Tomasz Nowak
Wade Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sometimes changing the ratio to not have enough new > space and then creating too many objects too fast can > make your application eventually throw OOMEs because > it can't move the objects into older spaces quick > enough depending on what you applicat

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Tomasz Nowak
Nathan Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The problem can be fixed by increasing your -XX:MaxPermSize value to > more than 256. I've increased it to 512m now. I'll see. > Download and use a program called visualgc available here > http://java.sun.com/performance/jvmstat. You can have it running

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Tomasz Nowak
Peter Lin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's not at all clear why -XX:MaxPermSize=256m isn't working and the > perm size is still at the default. If the perm gen was set correctly, > wouldn't the dump show something other than 99%? You're right, it shows PSPermGen total 50304K not the 256

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Wade Chandler
--- Tomasz Nowak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Peter Lin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > look at the dump, it looks like the permgen ran > out of space > > > > PSPermGen total 50304K, used 50170K > [0x445f, 0x4771, > > 0x545f) > > object space 50304K, 99% used > [0x445f

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Nathan Smith
Hi Tomasz, this is the exact point I was making in my previous email. The error message that was returned was to do with the Java Heap Space. It may be referring to the entire heap that is allocated to the JVM, who knows. The problem can be fixed by increasing your -XX:MaxPermSize value to mo

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Peter Lin
On 2/28/06, Tomasz Nowak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Peter Lin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > look at the dump, it looks like the permgen ran out of space > > > > PSPermGen total 50304K, used 50170K [0x445f, 0x4771, > > 0x545f) > > object space 50304K, 99% used [0x445f00

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Tomasz Nowak
Peter Lin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > look at the dump, it looks like the permgen ran out of space > > PSPermGen total 50304K, used 50170K [0x445f, 0x4771, > 0x545f) > object space 50304K, 99% used [0x445f,0x476ee878,0x4771) > > try increasing your permGen to 128Mb

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Peter Lin
look at the dump, it looks like the permgen ran out of space PSPermGen total 50304K, used 50170K [0x445f, 0x4771, 0x545f) object space 50304K, 99% used [0x445f,0x476ee878,0x4771) try increasing your permGen to 128Mb. Another option is to use a jdk that doesn't have pe

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Tomasz Nowak
Leon Rosenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > kill -SIGQUIT (i think its kill -11) your tomcat-java process Ok, it has happened again ! Simply: Mar 1, 2006 2:28:34 AM org.apache.catalina.connector.CoyoteAdapter service SEVERE: An exception or error occurred in the container during the request pro

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Zorro3692
Don't count on it!! In a message dated 2/28/2006 7:26:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: it seems that using a rude tone is a good way to get many answers, your question got 26 answers, mine, with a similar problem, only 1 (and a not helpful one).

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Leon Rosenberg
On 3/1/06, Peter Lin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2/28/06, Tomasz Nowak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I've not noticed more then 400-500 java threads, but I'll monitor > > that. I've set different ulimits form differnt users, BUT user > > that runs java/tomcat has no limits but one:

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Peter Lin
On 2/28/06, Tomasz Nowak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I've not noticed more then 400-500 java threads, but I'll monitor > that. I've set different ulimits form differnt users, BUT user > that runs java/tomcat has no limits but one: -s 2048 (stacksize). > > AFAIK that one was recommended by RE

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Tomasz Nowak
Leon Rosenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > you should seriously consider upgrading to 2.6.x linux. 2.4.s thread > support simply sucks! If your tomcat spawns more than allowed threads > it will get an outofmemoryerror and simply die... And I don't mean > your 200 tomcat httpworker threads only,

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Leon Rosenberg
it seems that using a rude tone is a good way to get many answers, your question got 26 answers, mine, with a similar problem, only 1 (and a not helpful one). - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Peter Lin
mcat all the time. > > -Original Message- > From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tomasz Nowak > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 6:37 PM > To: users@tomcat.apache.org > Subject: Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day. > > Remy Maucherat <[EMAIL PR

RE: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Tim Lucia
I use JProfiler with Tomcat all the time. -Original Message- From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tomasz Nowak Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 6:37 PM To: users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day. Remy Maucherat <[EM

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Leon Rosenberg
you should seriously consider upgrading to 2.6.x linux. 2.4.s thread support simply sucks! If your tomcat spawns more than allowed threads it will get an outofmemoryerror and simply die... And I don't mean your 200 tomcat httpworker threads only, but all threads in the jvm, including database conne

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Tomasz Nowak
Tim Lucia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > #2 - Do any commercial application server vendors offer you > assistance on how to find bugs in application code? You're much more > likely to find these answers using google, or reading wikis or from > community support. There are hundreds of such discuss

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Tomasz Nowak
Leon Rosenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We had some serious problems with tomcat, which are solved now, > however, we are on 5.0.25 (with session patch) and not on 5.5.x yet. > However, when tomcat dies, what your cpu usage is looking like? 100%? I've noticed that when tomcat hangs - load av

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Tomasz Nowak
Nathan Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Tomasz, > > you mentioned below that you have a MaxPermSize of 256m. I have not seen "OOME: PermGen" errors on that machine but after having some of them on other machine with aditonal 10 webapps deployed I've increased it from default 64m to 256m to

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Tomasz Nowak
Remy Maucherat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In case you haven't noticed, it is extremely hard to do, because > webapps have their own logging mechanism most of the time. You mention > the logger element of 4.x, but it didn't actually do anything (it did > put the internal logging for the specifie

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Nathan Smith
good luck with Jprofiler as well. -Original Message- From: Remy Maucherat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 5:47 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day. On 2/28/06, Peter Lin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: h

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Nathan Smith
Hi Tomasz, you mentioned below that you have a MaxPermSize of 256m. I would suggest increasing this value to a much larger amount and even increasing your -Xms and -Xmx values. We had a problem with our application in a live environment where it would regularly get errors like the following;

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Stephen Caine
Tomcat Users: We also had the dreaded, 'out of memory' errors and periodic crashes several times every day. Currently, we are stable. With help from Chuck, we were able to narrow down our problem to that of insufficient permanent generation memory. The point being that figuring out JVM

RE: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Tim Lucia
with Jprofiler as well. -Original Message- From: Remy Maucherat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 5:47 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day. On 2/28/06, Peter Lin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > honestly, be

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Remy Maucherat
On 2/28/06, Peter Lin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > honestly, besides Weblogic, most servlet and ejb containers do not provide > simple and clear instructions for tracing issues. With websphere, you have > to buy an expensive license of WASD and even then debugging an issue won't > be better in my e

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Peter Lin
On 2/28/06, Tomasz Nowak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tim Lucia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Send Tomcat a QUIT (11) signal on Unix, or control/break (run it > > interactively) on Windows. This will cause the VM to dump all thread > > stacks. > > > > If you don't like Tomcat, you can alway

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Remy Maucherat
On 2/28/06, Tomasz Nowak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your right, the tone of my postings is inproper. > I've been using 'free' software for almost 10 years now > and I pretty well get the rules. My only excuse is the > level of my frustration, based on recent Tomcat use. > > For now, the only cont

RE: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Tim Lucia
You can always feel free to contribute documentation improvements! Tim -Original Message- From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tomasz Nowak Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:36 PM To: users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Tomasz Nowak
Tim Lucia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Send Tomcat a QUIT (11) signal on Unix, or control/break (run it > interactively) on Windows. This will cause the VM to dump all thread > stacks. > > If you don't like Tomcat, you can always shell out some big bugs for a > commercial application server. Fo

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Mladen Turk
Mark Eggers wrote: I'm confused - but wouldn't an enableLookups on the AJP connector return the hostname of the remote Apache server sending the request (and not the remote web client)? No. JkOptions +ForwardLocalAddress Regards, Mladen. -

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Leon Rosenberg
On 2/28/06, Tomasz Nowak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Peter Crowther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Have you tested it for deadlocks that would cause hangs? > > [...] Profile your application. What's eating memory? > > Get a thread dump when your application hangs. Is anything > > deadlocked?

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Leon Rosenberg
[...skiped...] > I've been crond-restarting Tomcat 4.1 on Java 1.4 every > night for more than a year, and now I have to restart > Tomcat 5.5.15 on Java 1.5 AND apache httpd also almost > every single day. From my -user point of view, Tomcat > doesn't change in a good direction. In fact in it is >

RE: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Tim Lucia
- From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tomasz Nowak Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 1:32 PM To: users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day. Peter Crowther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Have you tested it for deadlocks that wo

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Mark Eggers
I'm confused - but wouldn't an enableLookups on the AJP connector return the hostname of the remote Apache server sending the request (and not the remote web client)? I don't know since I'm at work, and I always disable enableLookups since it's a potential performance hit. /mde/ --- Tomasz Nowak

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Tomasz Nowak
Peter Crowther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Have you tested it for deadlocks that would cause hangs? > [...] Profile your application. What's eating memory? > Get a thread dump when your application hangs. Is anything > deadlocked? What? Where? How? http://www.google.com/search?hl=pl&q=%22th

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Tomasz Nowak
Mark Eggers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > enableLookups="true" redirectPort="8443" /> > > Why enableLookups="true" ??? I use request.getRemoteHost in couple of places. > Also, Cocoon can be very resource-intensive depending > on which blocks you've built. Almost always only: - databases-

Re: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Mark Eggers
> enableLookups="true" redirectPort="8443" /> Why enableLookups="true" ??? Also, Cocoon can be very resource-intensive depending on which blocks you've built. JSP under Cocoon 2.1.7 and JDK 1.5 is also problematic, see for example: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COCOON-1457 I have so

RE: Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Peter Crowther
> From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tomasz Nowak > Probably important: > === [lots of technical details about kit and container config] Very important == Your application. Have you profiled it for memory leaks that would cause a OOME? Have you tested

Sad: Tomcat 5.5.x crashes almost every single day.

2006-02-28 Thread Tomasz Nowak
Probably important: === - 2x Xeon, 3 GB mem - Linux 2.4.26 - Java 1.5.0_06-b05 - Apache Tomcat 5.5.15 - CATALINA_OPTS="\ -server \ -Djava.awt.headless=true \ -Dfile.encoding=UTF-8 \ -XX:MaxPermSize=256m \ -Xms1024m -Xmx1024m" - - mod_jk 1.2.15 - Apache Httpd 1.