[USMA:37115] RE: Off-topic: receiving hidden e-mails?

2006-07-21 Thread Philip S Hall
If you have junk mail or virus filtering in place it will have been placed in a location other than the inbox but should be a folder visible to you in your e-mail program. They are not usually removed completely without your consent or, in the case of anti-virus, some warning of it. Regards Phil H

[USMA:37080] Re: letter to Albertson's re half-liter Natural Spring Water

2006-07-14 Thread Philip S Hall
We often discuss the best way of writing metric quantities but we seldom consider context. It's difficult lay down any rigid rules because it will depend on circumstances. For example if a 500 ml quantity is part of a table of information with values ranging from sub-litre to multiple litre then i

[USMA:37076] RE: World Cup: What's this "yards" garbage?

2006-07-14 Thread Philip S Hall
I'm not a football fan but I watched some of the World cup and listened to some of the commentary by Gary Linacre et al (I hope I've spelt it right). They all spoke in yards. However there was one incident where they were dissecting some event and it was brought up on the screen with overlays of d

[USMA:36973] RE: 8 cm Mini DVD.

2006-06-24 Thread Philip S Hall
About time too. Hopefully manufacturers are beginning to see that by breaking away from descriptions in inches they emphasize the advancement in product technology. A lot of people regard metric as something for the future but don’t envisage using it in their own lifetimes (not withstanding the fa

[USMA:36965] RE: Oh, Canada!

2006-06-22 Thread Philip S Hall
Ezra wrote: ... All temperatures in degrees Celsius (but they never mentioned the units, just the numerical value, which I interpret as an even higher comfort level with Celsius).   I notice that too on British TV. When a presenter just says degrees it usually means they won't bother with Fahrenhei

[USMA:36954] RE: Seasonal unit

2006-06-20 Thread Philip S Hall
Steve H wrote: >I don't believe that 2010 will have any impact on this because you are not buying "numbers of btu/hr", ie they can't sell "by the btu/hr". This is quite true, but it is understandable that so many people think otherwise. This whole sorry business of supplementary indications and

[USMA:36952] RE: Seasonal unit

2006-06-20 Thread Philip S Hall
>In the UK radiators are sold that way too. >In my local B&Q I was looking for a new towel warmer/radiator combination >and it stated watts and BTH/hr. >On a massive hoarding above the 'zone' it explained how to work out the >BTU/hr needed and claimed that it was a "standard unit". The watt is a

[USMA:36896] RE: kL and the cubic meter

2006-06-03 Thread Philip S Hall
The kilolitre is just as acceptable as millilitre or centilitre, which are both in common use. Phil Hall From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G Stanley Doore Sent: 03 June 2006 11:16 To: U.S. Metric Association Subject: [USMA:3689

[USMA:36893] More ignorance about energy v power

2006-06-02 Thread Philip S Hall
Another classic example of the poor understanding of the difference between power and energy.   A BBC news programme today featured an item about a family experimenting with a new life-style to reduce carbon emissions. The presenter showed a new gadget that monitors electrical consumption

[USMA:36873] RE: Imperial metaphors (was Wyeth footage)

2006-05-30 Thread Philip S Hall
Dear all There plenty of examples where obsolete units of measurement still form well known (metaphoric) phrases in ordinary language; e.g. "a grain of intelligence". How many people know, I wonder, that the "grain" is (or was) in fact a very small unit of mass (~65 mg). The best we can do is int

[USMA:36702] RE: Countering the "heritage" argument.

2006-04-30 Thread Philip S Hall
Every country needs a single system of measurement that everyone can understand and use for all purposes.   The international metric system is the only one that can fulfil that role.   Phil Hall   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nat Hager III Sen

[USMA:36698] RE: Countering the "heritage" argument.

2006-04-30 Thread Philip S Hall
We get that in Britain too.   Why should we preserve the customs and practices of our ancestors just for the sake of it?   Out ancestors used units if measurement to serve a purpose in life just as we do. Why do people assume that they would have expected their descendants to continue t

[USMA:36692] RE: Metric problem and solution at work

2006-04-30 Thread Philip S Hall
Oh sorry madam, let me just label that up for you.   Now let me see that’s 0.098 inch to a 0.138 inch adapter  … there you are.     From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nat Hager III Sent: 30 April 2006 12:45 To: U.S. Metric Association Subject: [USMA:

[USMA:36659] RE: Kiloliters

2006-04-26 Thread Philip S Hall
It's important to free your mind of the idea that the litre is for liquids. It isn't. It's just a measure of volume, period. 1000 mL = 1 L 1000 L = 1 cubic metre. SIMPLE! I don't criticise anyone, or think any the less of them, for falling into this trap but it's important to recognise the mental b

[USMA:36649] RE: Goofy metric scale

2006-04-25 Thread Philip S Hall
Of course, it's actually to a scale of 1:40 (near as damn it). I was working on a scale drawing recently for an IT room reconstruction at work. It struck me just how easy it is when you convert all the measurements to mm, i.e. 7.1 m = 7100 mm etc To work out a convenient scale for printing on A4 I

[USMA:36594] RE: Kiloliters

2006-04-17 Thread Philip S Hall
>It makes a lot sense to use in this context.  I realize that many will make the argument for the cubic meter but I feel that when discussing containerized quantities, liters make more sense.  I can visualize a liter easier (and more to the point, relate to direct personal experience) than I can a

[USMA:36567] Re: USMA digest 2274

2006-04-15 Thread Philip S Hall
This thread presupposes that the cashiers know that 10% is one tenth.   One thing I learned when trying to teach basic maths to very weak underachieving kids in the UK is that you can take nothing for granted. It’s not easy to put yourself in their shoes.   I maintain that metric doesn’

[USMA:36564] Re: Pyrex casserole

2006-04-15 Thread Philip S Hall
Just out of interest I notice that Pyrex are selling some dishes with plastic lids without any guidance as to the heat resistance. A couple people asked about it on their forum and were told they cannot be used in an oven, even though the rather sketchy FAQ page could be taken to mean otherwise. P

[USMA:36560] RE: units au naturale (was Curling World Championships)

2006-04-14 Thread Philip S Hall
In the UK we often hear the argument that imperial is more natural because units like the foot are scaled to body parts.   Well, I have two key references for this in metric. The distance from my left shoulder to the wrist of my outstretched right arm is about a metre (handy for measuring

[USMA:36494] Re: Contractors resisting metrication (was April 1)

2006-04-07 Thread Philip S Hall
>There is no such thing as a federal highway.  All highways (interstate, US and state) are state highways built and paid for by the individual states.  States receive federal funding for various projects and highway construction but the highways are all state built, owned and maintained.   >From th

[USMA:36473] Contractors resisting metrication (was April 1)

2006-04-05 Thread Philip S Hall
The driving force in the United Kingdom for the decision to change in the mid sixties was lobbying from industry. The issue was the cost of dual working, i.e. (mostly) metric for overseas products but imperial for the domestic market. American industry should in theory be thinking along the same li

[USMA:36430] Re: Units used in popular science books: buy Canadian

2006-04-01 Thread Philip S Hall
The term "click" is not very helpful. I recall watching an American War movie some time ago in which that term was used extensively. The Director did not see fit to dropping any hints in the dialog as to what it meant and I was left not knowing what they were talking about. I can tell you that it

[USMA:36396] Re: Multiple Units for Energy

2006-03-29 Thread Philip S Hall
>This is also simply "68 choose 2" from probability theory: >68! / (68-2)!(2!) Exactly. For the benefit of those not familiar with factorials (symbolised with a !) the above simplifies to 68 x 67 / 2 = 2278 Phil Hall

[USMA:36297] RE: File attachments (we need a rule!)

2006-03-18 Thread Philip S Hall
An alteranative approach is to post a preliminary message offering the attachment to anyone interested. It can then be sent direct to the personal mail box of list members on request. I have to agree with Jason that it's bad practice to send unsolicited mail with large attachments. If the reci

[USMA:36262] Re: St. Patric's day - Is Ireland all Metric?

2006-03-14 Thread Philip S Hall
Sorry - I made a typo. This was (painfully obviously) meant to read: "It's not exactly new news - but they've changed the road speeds to km/h, Steve!" ('they' being the (Republic) Irish) Ok fine - but if we are going to be sarcastic then I would have to say that with your track record a "t

[USMA:36258] Re: St. Patric's day - Is Ireland all Metric?

2006-03-13 Thread Philip S Hall
It's not exactly new news - but they've changed the road speeds to mph, Steve! What is this supposed to mean? The only change that has occurred is for the Republic of Ireland to change to km/h for speed limits. Phil Hall

[USMA:36257] Re: St. Patric's day - Is Ireland all Metric?

2006-03-13 Thread Philip S Hall
Up until last year I worked at Guinness, and they (my Irish collegues) spoke "mixed". Clearly the victims of the measurement muddle in UK/Eire. At least the Republic had the sense to take the next step in breaking out of this stupidity. Phil Hall

[USMA:36245] Re: FW: Re: Metric vs. imperial comments from Australia

2006-03-11 Thread Philip S Hall
There are other much more obvious explanations for the rising level of obesity in Australia, and it's the same as for other developed nations like the US and UK. Quite simply its a side effect from us all getting richer and the effect this has had on our life styles. Rich high energy food is m

[USMA:36210] RE: Article in Australian Doctor

2006-03-07 Thread Philip S Hall
From Dr Stanton: "I think the move to kilojoules was a huge problem in this country because nobody knows what a kilojoule is - they can't possibly add them up," Try asking them what a "calorie" is or what the difference is between "calorie", "Calorie", "kcal" I have an exercise bike that dis

[USMA:36196] RE: Australia; shipping containers

2006-03-06 Thread Philip S Hall
Imagine how much simpler life would be for people in the industry if there was a single system of measurement. Look at the clutter in the container specs on this site: http://www.freightraders.co.nz/containerspecs.html They even have to include conversion tables just overcome the ambivalence o

[USMA:36186] Re: Metric vs. imperial comments from Australia

2006-03-03 Thread Philip S Hall
A few observations: - We in the UK have had weather forecasts in degrees Celsius for many years now. I've yet to see or hear temperatures forecast to 0.1 degree precision. - It is a common misconception that the metre has changed because it is no longer defined as the distance from Earth pole

[USMA:36183] RE: tide books

2006-03-02 Thread Philip S Hall
Tides in the UK are in meters only. http://easytide.ukho.gov.uk/EasyTide/EasyTide/SelectPort.aspx Mike Payne And yet they refuse to authorise metres on road sign,s except as optional supplementary indications for height and width, and not at all for distance. Phil Hall

[USMA:36153] RE: Poll in Independent

2006-02-27 Thread Philip S Hall
One thing though - you suggest one poll showing a 97% favour for imperial. If this is the case then it certainly shows that the "anti-EU" factor is very different and removed to teh metric/imperial debate since pro/anti-EU opinion hovers about the 50% I'm suggesting that such an unlikely resul

[USMA:36141] Poll in Independent

2006-02-26 Thread Philip S Hall
The UK newspaper "The Independent" has published the results of a poll asking "Should Britain go metric?" Yes - 62% No - 38% http://comment.independent.co.uk/article318961.ece I don't personally set much store by these single question yes/no on-line or telephone polls and I am suspicious of t

[USMA:36110] RE: Fw:BBC E-mail: Call for metric road sign switch

2006-02-24 Thread Philip S Hall
I'm not in the least surprised at the public reaction to this. Why should they, when asked completely out of the blue, react favouably, when they know nothing of the rationale behind it? Certainly the magnitude of the change is a significant factor but another one is the irresponsible reaction

[USMA:36099] Re: How's metric faring at the winter Olympics?

2006-02-22 Thread Philip S Hall
Linda, Bill The concept of the kilosecond and megasecond is an interesting alternative to conventional time but from a strategic point of view, i.e. promoting and encouraging greater use of metric in the United States it would be counter-productive. Opinion is clearly divided on this list as

[USMA:36032] Re: Shoe design

2006-02-15 Thread Philip S Hall
Dear Pat I think you're right, the two numbers don't add up to the overall height. However I'm sceptical that the height of the sole is only 3 mm So I think both figures are wrong. I made measurements of the image on my screen and calculated the height of the sole as a proportion of the ove

[USMA:36028] Re: More non-SI usage

2006-02-13 Thread Philip S Hall
I'm really astonished at the abbreviation they've used for the mass unit. How they got THREE M's for "Million Metric Tons" (which has only TWO M's) I'll never understand. Furthermore, since a million tons is 1000 tons and a ton (or tonne) is 1000 kg and a kilogram is 1000 g, that makes a million

[USMA:36019] Re: Metrication matters 32 and Metrication matters 33

2006-02-12 Thread Philip S Hall
and Metrication matters 33 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:20:03 -0900 The Alpha Centauri stellar system is described in all of the books and articles I've read as being 4.3 light years away, not 4.2 light years. -- Jason - Original Message - From: "Philip S Hall" <[EMAIL

[USMA:36016] Re: Metrication matters 32 and Metrication matters 33

2006-02-12 Thread Philip S Hall
Dear Pat Thanks for notifyinmg us of your newsletter - very interesting, especially the piece on energy units. I think your long list makes the point very effectively as to why it's important to phase out obsolete and unnecssary units of measurement. Global warming is an important issue and on

[USMA:36011] Re: Kilowatts of heat?

2006-02-10 Thread Philip S Hall
Remek The joule is a unit of energy, the watt is a unit of power. In this context power is a measure of the amount of energy per second. In fact one watt is one joule per second. In the circumstances you have described the watt (or kilowatt) would be more appropriate because it's the rate at

[USMA:36001] Re: History of imperial since 1824

2006-02-09 Thread Philip S Hall
I had to wait until I got a response from a TSO I know before making the following claim. It is ***illegal*** to have glasses marked as "568ml" for beer/ale/cider in pubs. You cannot even have a dual label (imperial/metric). I too have made enquiries about this and the advice I have receive

[USMA:35998] RE: Video Podcast - Request for feedback.

2006-02-07 Thread Philip S Hall
Scott Your comments below are very interesting raise a genuine issue about the obstacle to learning that dual measures give rise to. You may like to consider a slightly broader issue of how things could be improved if there was better co-ordination between different departments so that one s

[USMA:35970] RE: Video Podcast - Request for feedback.

2006-02-04 Thread Philip S Hall
I am inclined to agree with some caution being exercised in respect of impact on education, but we shouldn't dismiss it or play it down either. In the absence of research we can't dimension it or be specific as to the difference it will make. We can however point out that learning metric in sc

[USMA:35963] Re: metric signs

2006-02-04 Thread Philip S Hall
If the numbers are 'stick on' ones maybe they ran out of '3' s ... ... or were just hedging their bets! Still, that's the beauty of maintaining two (or more) systems. You need extra symbols (in this case 4 instead of 2 per sign) and the inevitable mistakes. How much easier life would be for

[USMA:35958] Re: Diet Coke packaging changed

2006-02-04 Thread Philip S Hall
John This is a very encouraging sign. Isn't the clarity and simplicity just great! (A very good photo too - well done) Let's hope we see more of this on other products soon. Phil Hall - Original Message - From: "John Woelflein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "U.S. Metric Association" Se

[USMA:35942] Re: BBC article

2006-02-02 Thread Philip S Hall
The UK and the US are still driving their Ford Model T and are unwilling to replace it with an up-to-date car because of the cost of the new car, even though the new car's maintenance and fuel consumption is much lower. Not to mention comfort, user friendliness and a myriad of other development

[USMA:35913] Re: Value of Pi

2006-01-28 Thread Philip S Hall
Dear all Thanks for your contributions to this mini debat over the value of pi. I found them all (and I mean all) interesting and thought provoking. I've always been fascinated with mathematics and take a lot of pleasure from such cerebral exercises. I'd like to offer an incite into why it i

[USMA:35892] irrational numbers

2006-01-27 Thread Philip S Hall
I've no idea how to prove pi is irrational but folks might be interested to see how root 2 can be shown to be irrational, i.e. there is are no integers p,q such that (p/q)^2 = 2 The following is a proof by contradiction i.e. we assume something is false and show it leads to a contradiction. S

[USMA:35887] RE: NEW Yard (yd') or Metre New (m') RE: Re: decimal time

2006-01-27 Thread Philip S Hall
Jon In one of your documents you say: "Since by definition the value for Pi is the ratio between the circumference of the circle to its diameter, it must be representable in the form a/b ..."* * This is your fundamental mistake. The *vast* majority of numbers are simply not expressible as in

[USMA:35880] Re: Speed in km/h vs m/s

2006-01-27 Thread Philip S Hall
en it is useful to have wind speeds in km/h as well - this makes the corrections due to wind speed much easier to calculate. - Original Message - From: "Philip S Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "U.S. Metric Association" Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 8:40

[USMA:35848] Re: Speed in km/h vs m/s

2006-01-25 Thread Philip S Hall
I think it would be better if weather forecasts wordlwide used m/s I don't see how km/h or mph convey anything over and above an arbitrary scale. Units like km/h are really for journey times or comparison with different modes of transport. So why not get used to the proper SI unit? Phil Hall

[USMA:35824] RE: NEW Yard (yd') or Metre New (m') RE: Re: decimal time

2006-01-24 Thread Philip S Hall
Dear Brij Considering present length of the Metre, Earth can be considered a 'hypothetical sphere' of radius 6371 km, with its circumference:40030.1592786906 km. I can't quite work this out. If we take the Earth radius as 6371 km, and assume a perfect sphere, I get 40030.1735920411 km (round

[USMA:35822] RE: NEW Yard (yd') or Metre New (m') RE: Re: decimal time

2006-01-24 Thread Philip S Hall
Humphery, sir: I'm still trying to work out what a "metre new" is. Considering present length of the Metre, Earth can be considered a 'hypothetical sphere' of radius 6371 km, with its circumference:40030.1592786906 km. Earth circumferece of 360-degree, then works to 111.194886885252 km/deg

[USMA:35810] Re: London Buses

2006-01-24 Thread Philip S Hall
Dear Pat You may like to take a look at this web page: http://ticketslondon-online.biz/vintage_buses.htm There is a data sheet available in pdf and doc formats (bottom of the page). The dimensions are given in both metric and imperial. The figures I have to say, strongly suggest an imperial o

[USMA:35792] Yards and metres (was decimal time)

2006-01-23 Thread Philip S Hall
For someone like myself 0.3992m is a pretty small amount for something that could never be measured to that sort of scale on a brass bar in Trafalgar square - and small enough never to have a problem in my life. In fact its probably about the same distance when talking about how the accura

[USMA:35781] London Buses

2006-01-23 Thread Philip S Hall
"... I would have liked to see something like "The 30 ft (9.144 m) Routemaster buses have now been replaced by the 18 m Mercedes Benz Citaro bendy bus". This format ensures that SI is always in the statement and it also show what the original measurement was if not was not SI." Good point,

[USMA:35771] Re: decimal time

2006-01-22 Thread Philip S Hall
Stephen Humphreys wrote: Accurate in relation to what? Accurate in relation to the conversion factor to the metre becoming more accurate (as technology allows). When the yard became 0.9144 m, it was effectively made *less* not more accurate than when it was 0.91443992 m When this change t

[USMA:35762] Re: History of imperial since 1824

2006-01-20 Thread Philip S Hall
Surely this means then, that British supermarkets selling milk in multiples of 1 pint in non-returnable containers are breaking the law? A carton that cannot be re-used, and which the supermarkets do not allow to be returned, cannot be described as "returnable containers"; thus milk in cartons

[USMA:35755] History of imperial since 1824

2006-01-20 Thread Philip S Hall
Cardarelli; Encyclopaedia of Scientific Units, Weights and Measures; Springer-Verlag, London 2003.   The British system of units, known as imperial units, was established by the Weights and Measures Act (WMA, 1824) of June 17th 1824. Its three base units are the pound avoirdupios, the yard a

[USMA:35747] Re: decimal time

2006-01-19 Thread Philip S Hall
It is interesting to note that not only is a yard defined as 0.9144 m but the inch is not defined as 1/36 of a yard but as 25.4 mm (exactly). Therefore, customary measures are all defined by metric ones and not in relation to each other. If you do the arithmetic you will find that: 0.0254 * 12

[USMA:35744] Re: decimal time

2006-01-19 Thread Philip S Hall
By the definition of using light you can quanify a foot or yard by a division of that length. In a way the scientific advances that allowed the modern definition of the metre also made the most accurate yard length ever, thanks to the very concept of the metre. Accurate in relation to what?

[USMA:35734] the metre (was decimal time)

2006-01-18 Thread Philip S Hall
ved. SInce the yard is defined as 0.9144 m **exactly**, the yard's precision also changes whenever the metre's precision changes. ----- Original Message - From: "Philip S Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "U.S. Metric Association" Sent: Wednesday, January 18,

[USMA:35729] Re: decimal time

2006-01-17 Thread Philip S Hall
t;U.S. Metric Association" Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 9:23 PM Subject: [USMA:35725] Re: decimal time On 2006 Jan 17 , at 1:33 PM, Philip S Hall wrote: > Definition of metre: > The length of the path travelled by light in a vacuum during a time > interval 1/ 299 792 458 of a se

[USMA:35727] Re: decimal time

2006-01-17 Thread Philip S Hall
om: "Bill Hooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "U.S. Metric Association" Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 9:23 PM Subject: [USMA:35725] Re: decimal time On 2006 Jan 17 , at 1:33 PM, Philip S Hall wrote: Definition of metre: The length of the path travelled by light in a vacuum

[USMA:35720] Re: decimal time

2006-01-17 Thread Philip S Hall
>>Each day the English drive miles defined in metres and drink pints of beer>>defined in millilitres, while in the USA, people watch football where the>>main scoring is done over an exact distance of exactly 9.144 metres.>>It¹s called Ohidden metric¹.>>> I'm not convinced that a=b makes 'b'

[USMA:35705] Re: Spherical Earth RE: Re: decimal time

2006-01-16 Thread Philip S Hall
Brij sir... Considering Earth to be 'hypothetical Sphere of radius 6371 kilometre', the Earth is 40030.1592786 kilometre, AND each degree works to 111.1948868853 kilometre. Hypothetical sphere of radius 6371 km, to NEAREST km so circumference of Earth to nearest 0.1 mm ?

[USMA:35667] Re: decimal time

2006-01-15 Thread Philip S Hall
Decimal time will never be a practical proposition so long as the length of the day and the year are regarded as natural cycles to which all measurement of civil time must relate. You can't decimalise both the day and the year together because you're stuck with 365.2422 days in a year. Future

[USMA:35652] Re: blood pressure kPa

2006-01-13 Thread Philip S Hall
I'm not a particularly strong advocate one way or the other on this, but if it were deemed to be sufficienlty important for medical practice to move to kPa for blood pressure then there are ways to address the issue raised here by Scot. The unit mm Hg is of course the actual height of the column

[USMA:35620] Re: When was the joule introduced to SI?

2006-01-09 Thread Philip S Hall
It is not clear if the joule was "first used" before being officially adopted by the congress, but given that Joule died the same year, it may have been proposed then as a memorial. The joule did not die. What happened that made you think it had? You have to distinguish Joule from joule. One r

[USMA:35608] RE: Fw: 365 days What's Up

2006-01-08 Thread Philip S Hall
The SI conventions, its symbols and definitions are uniform and language independent. That is the basis on which the international system is founded. Those involved would feel (I'm sure) that any attempt to go beyond that would create unnecessary division with little prospect of reaching a univ

[USMA:35604] Re: When was the joule introduced to SI?

2006-01-08 Thread Philip S Hall
Dear Pat According to this page it looks as though the joule was adopted into SI in 1960. It apparently had previously been adopted by the IEC in 1889, the year of Joule's death (maybe named in honour because of that). http://www.sizes.com/units/joule.htm Regards Phil Hall - Original M

[USMA:35600] RE: Irish butchers het the message

2006-01-07 Thread Philip S Hall
The journalist misrepresents the legal situation. It is not an "EU law" that applies, it is Irish law such as: http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/ZZSI329Y1991.html http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/ZZSI639Y2002.html Anyone interested in metrication and/or laws in European countries should know what an

[USMA:35563] Re: Students and the metric system

2006-01-04 Thread Philip S Hall
Oops! Metrication Matters gets a plug too. Sorry, it's a reference to another site called MetricMatters. I was fooled by the similar looking red font. I don't see a link to USMA though. Wrong again - there are two links although a bit obscure. Enjoy! Yeah still a great site though.

[USMA:35540] Re: Happy New Year

2006-01-02 Thread Philip S Hall
The are and hectare fill an awkward gap between the square metre and the square kilometre. The ratio of the two is 1:10^6 so there is really room for a unit between them. If the intermediate unit was 10^3 m^2, it would represent an awkward area - a square with sides of length 10*10^2 m (approx

[USMA:35524] Re: Happy New Year

2005-12-31 Thread Philip S Hall
Stan, You ask (in your document) if anyone knows of a way to display numbers in Excel according to a chosen number of significant digits rather than decimal places. It is possible to do it using worksheet functions rather than cell formatting. This involves a combination of the ROUND, INT an

[USMA:35457] Re: Lightning and thunder

2005-12-24 Thread Philip S Hall
Dear Pat Mrs Naughtin put's it very well when she says the BBC are "on the horns of cleft stick". I notice that even within the article Dr Whitehouse can't make up his mind which should be the primary unit for the measurement data: ... 9km (29,000ft) ... 45-52,000ft (13.7-15.9km). ... Phil

[USMA:35275] Re: Odd mixture of units on Aussie program for US market

2005-11-22 Thread Philip S Hall
Dear Pat and others You should rejoice that predominately Australians use the metric system foralmost all that they do every day. You could also wonder at a society thattolerates the dumbing down of reality to pander to a small minority ofnay-sayers by a group in the media, many o

[USMA:35241] Re: liberia and myanmar

2005-11-19 Thread Philip S Hall
Dear Amy It's the term *offcially* metric that is the key here. I'm English and live in the UK. My country is officially metric. However you might not think so if you lived here too. Our road signs are still imperial and there are no formal plans to change them (although there is a long term o

[USMA:35211] Re: "Invisible" e-mail messages?

2005-11-16 Thread Philip S Hall
Jason Do you have spam blocking installed? That might account for it if the messages were dumped on receipt. Phil Hall - Original Message - From: "James J. Wentworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "U.S. Metric Association" Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 7:40 AM Subject: [USMA:35210]

[USMA:35199] Re: Is the kilometre British?

2005-11-12 Thread Philip S Hall
Martin, Han Modern history has shown that when Britian and France leave political rivalry to one side they actually get on quite well with one another, vis-à-vis the Concorde and the Channel tunnel projects, both involving leading edge technology and innovation. Maybe the metric system is an

[USMA:35194] Re: Humorous item

2005-11-11 Thread Philip S Hall
Escape from Coldtitz? Phil Hall - Original Message - From: "Jim Elwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "U.S. Metric Association" Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 7:53 PM Subject: [USMA:35193] Humorous item You will note that the thermostat the woman is holding is in Celsius! http://new

[USMA:35178] Re: metric units in contracts

2005-11-04 Thread Philip S Hall
I think this discussion and the examples given all point to one inevitable conclusion. If businesses stuck to SI for all specifications and agreements involving measurement there could be no dispute about the meaning or interpretation of the data. This would apply whether the contract was dome

[USMA:35161] Re: Government conversion mandates

2005-11-04 Thread Philip S Hall
I would add to this the observation that the US has shown itself in the past to be quite capable of adopting a Nationwide standard administered by a Federal government agency. The so called customary units used throughout the US are such a standard. There are no variants of the pound, pint, ga

[USMA:35147] Re: The pitfalls of double conversion.

2005-11-03 Thread Philip S Hall
: "Stephen Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "U.S. Metric Association" Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 8:44 PM Subject: [USMA:35146] Re: The pitfalls of double conversion. Philip S. Hall wrote: "Neil Herron is a classic example of what I was talking about. He r

[USMA:35144] Re: The pitfalls of double conversion.

2005-11-03 Thread Philip S Hall
Apologies for not replying earlier, Daniel. Neil Herron may well be a member of ARM but if he is, he's certainly keeping it a secret as I'm certainly not aware if he is or not. He seems more concerned with scoring petty points off Sunderland council nowadays. Neil Herron is a classic exampl

[USMA:35127] Re: Faulty rounding in unit conversions

2005-11-02 Thread Philip S Hall
400 mL equals 13.5256 FL. OZ.,which rounded* appropriately would be 13.5 FL. OZ.  while14 FL. OZ. equals 414.0287 mL,which rounded* appropriately would be 414 mL.These equivalences do not seem to be close enough to justify labeling 400 mL as being the same as 14 FL. OZ. So, I have

[USMA:35114] Re: The pitfalls of double conversion.

2005-11-01 Thread Philip S Hall
I've attempted to give a general idea on this several times. It's a lot to ask for a definitive list of everything. Try doing the same for the USA and see how complex and time consuming it all is. Phil Hall Are you saying the UK is more metric then the pro-imperial side is willing to admit?

[USMA:35111] RE: Politicisation of metric (was PN 5 points)

2005-11-01 Thread Philip S Hall
There are people who are pro-imperial that believe in the concept, and support the idea of, the EU That depends on what is mean't by "pro-imperial" I can understand the position of anyone who doesn't like metric disliking the EU because the latter requires metric. I don't see how anyone can be

[USMA:35096] Politicisation of metric (was PN 5 points)

2005-10-31 Thread Philip S Hall
Also - in the UK we have people who are pro-EU and pro-imperial as well as pro-metric and anti-EU. I think it's short sided to attach too much politics or "right wing - left wing" to whether people use yards or metres. Next we'll be saying that coffee drinkers are all Tories and only socialists

[USMA:35060] Re: 5 points

2005-10-29 Thread Philip S Hall
Re: 5 points Dear Philip, My response is interspersed between your comments in red. on 2005-10-30 04.11, Philip S Hall at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Pat You wrote: The Australian experience was similar; little force came from either federal, state, or local government bodies. They passed the

[USMA:35053] Re: 5 points

2005-10-29 Thread Philip S Hall
Dear Pat   You wrote:   The Australian experience was similar; little force came from eitherfederal, state, or local government bodies. They passed the minimum amountof laws to facilitate the change and they removed any legislativeimpediments to metrication. Overall, they did do one thing th

[USMA:35048] Sign vandalsm (was pitfalls of double conversion)

2005-10-29 Thread Philip S Hall
> ...  If there is an error in the sign after it has been > vandalized, then the authorities should be informed.  It should be pointed > out to the authorities who was responsible for the vandalism and that the > vandals are actually doing more then changing units, they are changing > actual

[USMA:35026] Re: The pitfalls of double conversion.

2005-10-27 Thread Philip S Hall
What exactly is full metrication? It is the stated position of the U.S. government to make SI the predominant or preferred system of measurement but not the exclusive one. I don't think the U.S. (or U.K., Canada, etc) will ever be 100% metric for all endeavors. I don't think that it is reali

[USMA:35021] Re: The pitfalls of double conversion.

2005-10-27 Thread Philip S Hall
ot my head around that. From: "Philip S Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "U.S. Metric Association" Subject: [USMA:35018] Re: The pitfalls of double conversion. Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:34:22 +0100 But it is because of dual measures that this

[USMA:35018] Re: The pitfalls of double conversion.

2005-10-27 Thread Philip S Hall
But it is because of dual measures that this sort of muddle arises in the first place. There is no virtue in campaigning to keep it that way. Phil Hall - Original Message - From: "Stephen Humphreys" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "U.S. Metric Association" Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 1

[USMA:35014] Re: The pitfalls of double conversion.

2005-10-26 Thread Philip S Hall
I'm not quite sure what to make of the figures Remek. They look wrong even allowing the possibilty for double conversions. The distance to the moon varies between about 360 Mm and 400 Mm. The article has it as 300 000 miles converted to 483 Mm, so if the figure in miles was taken from metric, th

[USMA:35010] Re: Rain measurement in Europe

2005-10-26 Thread Philip S Hall
Actually knowing that 1 mm rainfall is 1 L/m² is quite useful, even though it is more simply stated as the former. It tells you how many watering cans worth of rain your garden gets during a shower (obviously divide by the capacity of the can in litres). Phil Hall - Original Message - F

[USMA:35001] Re: Interesting mix of units

2005-10-25 Thread Philip S Hall
I hate to think what the instrument panels are like. Phil Hall - Original Message - From: "Michael Payne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "U.S. Metric Association" Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 2:37 AM Subject: [USMA:35000] Interesting mix of units http://tomair.com.au/html/our_aircraft.p

[USMA:34988] Re: Roundtable on Transatlantic Standards Issues: Meeting Notes

2005-10-23 Thread Philip S Hall
14. The EU requires "metric-only" labeling on packaging. The U.S. has a deferral on the requirement until 2010, but this remains a problem for the long-term. The EU is the only country that prohibits non-metric labeling. Non-EU manufacturers should be given the flexibility to use dual labeling as

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