[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini again -

2008-01-13 Thread Stuart Walsh
Thanks for taking the trouble, Rob. I'm sure you're right that professional guitarists of the time could do all sorts of amazing things with this music. I hope you'll be putting up some theorbo recordings soon enough. Stuart Well, I've had a look, guitar in hand, and these are my thoughts.

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini again -

2008-01-13 Thread Monica Hall
I wonder if you've added at least one bar towards the end. I'm sure there is definitely something dodgy about line 8, penultimate bar to final bar on that line (bars 10-11 in Monica's transcription). I think there is a bar - or more - missing and you have unconsciously compensated for it. You

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini again -

2008-01-13 Thread Rob
Hmm. Maybe I'll try - I've never looked at this repertoire before (hence the misreading of the alfabeto), but I get the impression that it is impossible to give a definitive interpretation, but I suppose that could be said about any music, but I'm sure you know what I mean. If I get time I'll try.

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini again -

2008-01-13 Thread Stuart Walsh
Rob wrote: Well, my first stupid mistake was to play for the first chord a Gm chord instead of a Bb chord! Must revise my alfabeto!! After that I more or less got it right... Rob www.rmguitar.info It's a very nice sound. After reading Martyn's defence of strum marks as strum marks I'v

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini !

2008-01-13 Thread Monica Hall
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini ! Transcription fine - EXCEPT the second bar repeat the Bb on 5th course (so can be 'strummed') I actually wouldn't agree with that! It's a single note played as an up stroke with the first finger. This also applies in bars 4, 6, 7 & 9. This

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini again -

2008-01-13 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Thank you Monica - this is why I was wondering why I hadn't got B's '5th' book! (some new find I presumed.). Of course I've got F's and will now rejoin the rest of the world.. Hmm this also adds a new complication: I've got rather less admiration for F than for B. Marty

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini again -

2008-01-13 Thread Monica Hall
It's Foscarini - not BArtolotti! Monica - Original Message - From: "Martyn Hodgson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Stuart Walsh'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 5:06 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini again - Absolutely Rob - the build up is,

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini !

2008-01-13 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Transcription fine - EXCEPT the second bar repeat the Bb on 5th course (so can be 'strummed') Martyn Monica Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Prompt action from Stuart!!! You can see my transcription at > It's here: > > http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/FoscariniToccatta1.jpg > Monica >>

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini again -

2008-01-13 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Absolutely Rob - the build up is, I think, precisely what B had in mind and is more rythmical and passionate than just plucking. Thanks Martyn Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, my first stupid mistake was to play for the first chord a Gm chord instead of a Bb chord! Must r

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini again -

2008-01-13 Thread Monica Hall
Sounds very nice anyway... Monica - Original Message - From: "Rob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Martyn Hodgson'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Stuart Walsh'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:40 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini again - I've made a stab at interpreting

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini !

2008-01-13 Thread Monica Hall
Prompt action from Stuart!!! You can see my transcription at It's here: http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/FoscariniToccatta1.jpg Monica No viru

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini again -

2008-01-13 Thread Monica Hall
I seem to have set the cat amongst the pigeons! Yet again - but I think these questions are worth asking. I have done a transcription of the whole passage which perhaps Stuart will put on his site. If he does - I have put in the open courses in red where I think they should be included and

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini again -

2008-01-13 Thread Rob
Well, my first stupid mistake was to play for the first chord a Gm chord instead of a Bb chord! Must revise my alfabeto!! After that I more or less got it right... Rob www.rmguitar.info -Original Message- From: Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 January 2008 16:40 To: 'Martyn Ho

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini again -

2008-01-13 Thread Rob
I've made a stab at interpreting this on the guitar: www.rmguitar.info/temp.htm I think this is what Martyn is getting at - please forgive me, Martyn, if it isn't. Obviously it is only an attempt after a couple of read-throughs, and I got a little lost, but the general idea is, I think, one being

[VIHUELA] stopping by woods on a snowy evening

2008-01-13 Thread bill kilpatrick
don't know if the formula for "la folia" allows for variation but i think ("think") the ditty here, set to robt. frost's "stopping by woods on a snowy evening" qualifies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OzAQDNqdiY how does one distinguish between a: - canarios - folia - and whatever "greensl

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini again -

2008-01-13 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Stewart, Re yr queries: 1. Yes, I do think that all the 'strum' marks should be taken seriously; this is my general starting point. I have not (yet!) found anything in B which cannot be strummed. Incidentally I take it as read that we're not always speaking about vigourous strummi

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini again -

2008-01-13 Thread Stuart Walsh
Martyn Hodgson wrote: ' My dog's pennyworth: Why doesn't it make sense to strum? Surely it's a particular effect he's after: I think he does indeed want it strummed. The entire section gradually gets 'higher' and it's all part of a long rising phrase. I'm using a bourdon on th

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini again -

2008-01-13 Thread Martyn Hodgson
' My dog's pennyworth: Why doesn't it make sense to strum? Surely it's a particular effect he's after: I think he does indeed want it strummed. The entire section gradually gets 'higher' and it's all part of a long rising phrase. I'm using a bourdon on the 4th but even with bo