[VIHUELA] Re: chitarra battente

2009-07-19 Thread EUGENE BRAIG IV
I don't own one, but they are kinda cool. There is still a living folk tradition for chitarra battente in places Italian. Much of what is the modern mandolin was borrowed from chitarra battente: canted soundboard, floating bridge, strings fixed to hitch pins in the tail block, etc. I don't kn

[VIHUELA] Re: chitarra battente

2009-07-19 Thread Chris D
Hello all, a call to the no doubt numerous (just kidding) owners of chitarras battentes. I am building one based on the concept (sloped belly, bottom rim string attachment, metal frets) adapted to a preexisting baroque guitar design, but lack specifics (tension, string materials, ra

[VIHUELA] Re: Ukulele and Renaissance Guitar

2009-07-19 Thread Stuart Walsh
Sauvage Valéry wrote: Yes, nice book, I like very much the Playford pieces, and the arrangement upon The Three Ravens (I recorded it on YT... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG5yp7jFL0c with a few others) Val I recorded a video response to your recording of 'The Three Ravens' - just using a

[VIHUELA] Re: Chitarra atiorbata/Guitarre theorbee

2009-07-19 Thread David van Ooijen
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: >   Has anyone actually played one of these >   instruments in with a basses of length only around 90cm (as seems to be >   depicted) and with plain gut (and no octave doubling as on the liuto >   attiorbato Not a guitar. I have a smallish 440

[VIHUELA] Re: Chitarra atiorbata/Guitarre theorbee

2009-07-19 Thread Monica Hall
As I understand it, five courses are much better if you want to strum 'open' (alfabeto) chords in first position. With a 6th string for example the important harmonies of G minor, D major and minor need a barré. That doesn't explain why people like Guerau, or for that matter Sanz, and Murcia

[VIHUELA] Re: Chitarra atiorbata/Guitarre theorbee

2009-07-19 Thread Monica Hall
Well - as has been pointed out on a different list, we shouldn't attach too much importance to such illustrations. Artists have their own agenda - to make things look pretty, well balenced, symetrical etc. etc.. Gary did point out that it looks as if Granata's image - which is fainter th

[VIHUELA] Re: Chitarra atiorbata/Guitarre theorbee

2009-07-19 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
As I understand it, five courses are much better if you want to strum 'open' (alfabeto) chords in first position. With a 6th string for example the important harmonies of G minor, D major and minor need a barré. To me the basses of the tiorbata on the portrait of Granata look considerably lo

[VIHUELA] Re: Chitarra atiorbata/Guitarre theorbee

2009-07-19 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Why ' bitter'? A bit out of the blue and unecessary surely for a civil discussion... I agree that nothing can be proved: but on the usual English civil law basis of proof, the balance of probabilities favours the extended basses at the upper octave. Has anyone actually

[VIHUELA] Chitarra atiorbata/Guitarre theorbee

2009-07-19 Thread Monica Hall
I don't wish to get into a bitter argument over this. However there are just a few comments. Lex said Perhaps the wish to have a complete instrument was as much something of the 17th century. An imperfect instrument improved. The obvious thing to do would have been to add a 6th course to

[VIHUELA] Re: Murcia

2009-07-19 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
The volume of the sound of the plucked string of the five course guitar is low. To balance with that bass strings should better not be too powerful. How long the extension should be would depend on the acoustic properties of the instrument. Continuo instruments like the theorbo neede

[VIHUELA] Re: Murcia

2009-07-19 Thread Martyn Hodgson
The whole point about extended basses is that they produce a stronger (louder) sound than shorter strings - hence why they were invented (by Picinnini?). I know of no study which has identified theorbo usage in the 17th century between 'amateur' and 'professional' (ie paid to perf