[VIHUELA] Re: Losy (Logi) sarabande?

2012-11-06 Thread Monica Hall
I assume that the mandora is tuned like the lute with the 3rd between the 3rd and 4th courses rather than the 2nd and 3rd. This would make it more difficult to play all the standard guitar chords. They would all have to be re-fingered. Also at least some of the dissonance is perhaps more p

[VIHUELA] Re: Losy (Logi) sarabande?

2012-11-06 Thread WALSH STUART
No, not to be confused with a tiny mandore. Of course it's possible to strum a mandora (big lute!) but I don't think it was ever typically played liked that. So the Sarabande, as it exists, wouldn't work as a typical piece for mandora. Or so, I think, but Martyn knows much more abou

[VIHUELA] Re: Losy (Logi) sarabande?

2012-11-06 Thread Chris Despopoulos
Out of curiosity, how is a mandora to be played such that strumming would not work? (Not to be confused with a mandore, right?) cud __ From: WALSH STUART To: Martyn Hodgson Cc: Monica Hall ; Vihuelalist

[VIHUELA] Re: Losy (Logi) sarabande?

2012-11-06 Thread WALSH STUART
But how do you think the Tombeau, Sarabande and Minuet would work on a mandora? There are a lot of strummed chords in the Sarabande. Very untypical for a mandora? And the stringing arrangement is probably a high fifth course and octave on fourth - quite different from low basses of

[VIHUELA] Re: Losy (Logi) sarabande?

2012-11-06 Thread Monica Hall
That's very helpful and interesting. I just borrowed it from the library for various reaons but haven't had a lot of time to look at it. The problem with so many of these early ediitions or even later ones is that you can't be sure they are reliable. Only the original is reliable - sort of!

[VIHUELA] Re: Losy (Logi) sarabande?

2012-11-06 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Yes, I have the Supraphon edition - not at all bad considering the date. Alas, some of the transcriptions are incorrect: see, for example, No 1 Allemande. This is also the first piece in MsKk 77 but you'll see that the flags in the first full bar are incorrectly transcribed in th

[VIHUELA] Re: Losy (Logi) sarabande?

2012-11-06 Thread Monica Hall
Well - I hadn't thought about the mandora or indeed what kind of lute the music might originally have been for. In fact there is a rather better edition of all of Losy's "guitar" music originally edited by Jan Racek, revised by Jaroslav Pohanka and published by Supraphon in 1979 in the series "

[VIHUELA] Re: Losy (Logi) sarabande?

2012-11-06 Thread Martyn Hodgson
When you say 'arrangements of lute music' do you include mandora as a lute or have you just the 11 course Dm instrument in mind (as most people still do)? One of Losy's guitar pieces (rondeau in Brno D189) is extant in a mandora tablature (usually mistaken for guitar tablature!).

[VIHUELA] Re: Losy (Logi) sarabande?

2012-11-06 Thread Monica Hall
I found it now. It is not actually attributed to Losi, Losi seems to be a bit of a mystery. These pieces are supposed to be arrangements of lute music but none of the pieces survive in versions for the lute. Anyway - it is really nice to have a chance to hear you play it - not easy. I sha

[VIHUELA] Re: Losy (Logi) sarabande?

2012-11-06 Thread Monica Hall
Does this follow the Tombeau for his mother. It may be by Corbetta or deliberately composed in his style. I can't find it in my copy which has the pages unnumbered. Do you know what the folio number is? Monica - Original Message - From: "WALSH STUART" To: "vl" Sent: Monday, No