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Which is why I have everything covered
that perhaps one integrated app
would diminish?
Thanks. Keith
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Which is why I have everything covered that the Seeing Eye app will be
providing in a few apps. TomTom and Apple Maps gives me just about everything I
need including names
diminish?
Thanks. Keith
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Which
that perhaps one integrated
app would diminish?
Thanks. Keith
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, 2013 9:35 PM
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no, Navigon Map updates are charged.
Regards,
Neil Barnfather
Talks List Administrator
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TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple
iOS
hi keith well i am very lucky hopefully as there are no piano
tuners being training any more here in the uk i should be able to
earn as long as i can hear. i can certainly see though where you
are coming from. look at upgrades to jaws and window eyes but i
am sure mike and his team at
Hello. This topic has obviously turned into a wonderful debate and discussion
about various topics which are all related and spawned from the new Sendero
and Seeing Eye app. However I would like to remind everyone that the
discussion lately has not been about the CSUN presentation. Instead
Hello,
Following your reasoning, this is how I see it.
Then, the app's price should also be the same as what sighted people pay.
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At the risk of offending some people, I
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Onboard maps are absolutely essential for the price point. Many of my
clients who would most benefit from this are ipod users
grantha...@gmail.com
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I wonder whether they are thinking of 1-3 years of updates, or 1-3
years where you will be allowed to use the app? If the latter, I
wonder how
no, Navigon Map updates are charged.
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Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
accessible phone, PDA and GPS related
I don't know what Google's cut is, but they do get one. Lary from APH made
reference to it on the list for the nearby explorer app.
Mary Otten
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I agree with this. The only thing I have really found Apple maps to
have going for it is good VO accessibility and that is definitely
great. However, it is great accessibility to something that for POI
information at least is next to useless. I
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Does that mean )100 for one or three years of access? If so, wow!
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I wonder whether they are thinking of 1-3 years of updates, or 1-3
years where you will be allowed to use the app? If the latter, I
wonder how they'll possibly enforce this given
Hi, Keith,
I'm with you. I will never spend $100 on any app that I will only be able to
use for a year or two. If this is the way things end up, I will donate $100 to
Blind Square so they can develop turn by turn navigation.
Mary
On Mar 1, 2013, at 7:23 PM, Keith Watson wrote:
Point 3
Hi Mary trouble it is the maps that incur the costs I cannot
understand why the actual maps on the phone cannot be used.
so with blind square do you need four square as well for the poi data?
I did try blind over hear in the uk and it did seem to work great.#
cheers then.
At 13:09 02/03/2013,
Hi,
I use Blind Square without Four Square and do just fine here in the US, too.
Mary
On Mar 2, 2013, at 8:14 AM, John Gallagher wrote:
Hi Mary trouble it is the maps that incur the costs I cannot understand why
the actual maps on the phone cannot be used.
so with blind square do you
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Hi Mary trouble it is the maps that incur the costs I cannot
understand why the actual maps on the phone cannot be used.
so with blind square do you need four square
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Hi Mary trouble it is the maps that incur the costs I cannot
understand why the actual maps on the phone
so would you say stick with IOS or get an android based on the APH and Sendero
app? I'm sticking with iOS
Aaron Linson
IOS App Accessibility Advocate
Once an Eagle
Always an Eagle
On Mar 2, 2013, at 12:10 AM, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote:
Let's all hope APH will bring the Near By
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I wonder whether they are thinking of 1-3 years of updates, or 1-3
years where you will be allowed to use the app? If the latter, I
wonder how they'll possibly enforce this given that it is not the way
purchases from
Mary,
How many $100's do you think will need to be donated to Blind Square to develop
turn by turn navigation as we need it?
10 users, 100 users, 1000 users, 10,000 users?
Regards,
Neil Barnfather
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: Summary of Seeing Eye app presentation at CSUN
What I'm really curious about is why APH would design an app for
android when most visually impaired people use IPhones? Also I thought
I read in the manual that the software has a choice of three sets of
maps.
On 3/2/13, RobH! bobs...@googlemail.com
evolves.
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What I'm really curious about is why
Of erik burggraaf
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Onboard maps are absolutely essential for the price point. Many of my
clients who would most benefit from this are ipod users, or even IPad users
who
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And, it's using Mapquest? I can't tell you how many circuitous routes and
getting-lost horror road trips I've been on thanks to MQ. Prepare to take
the scenic route, whether you can see or not.
Mark BurningHawk
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Hi Mary trouble it is the maps that incur
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I wonder whether they are thinking of 1-3 years of updates, or 1-3
years where you will be allowed to use the app
: Saturday, March 02, 2013 12:49 AM
Subject: Re: Summary of Seeing Eye app presentation at CSUN
I wonder whether they are thinking of 1-3 years of updates, or 1-3
years where you will be allowed to use the app? If the latter, I
wonder how they'll possibly enforce this given that it is not the way
hi there no sorry about that i was thinking of navigon which i do
use. i also use blind square here in the uk and to be speaking
truthfully it seem very good indeed. i am thinking about
acquiring the garmin glo receiver which i could use with my
android samsung s 3 as well as gps is so
Of Mary
Sent: 02 March 2013 1:31 PM
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Hi,
I use Blind Square without Four Square and do just fine here in the US, too.
Mary
On Mar 2, 2013, at 8:14 AM, John Gallagher wrote:
Hi Mary trouble it is the maps
hi there yes many blind people are coming over to the android
platform now i think my sasung s 3 picks gps up better than the
iphone. i have not tried an external gps receiver with my google
nexus 7 tablet yet will be interesting to see how that works.
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Hello,
why use a GPS receiver with the nexus 7 when it has one built in?
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hi there yes many blind people are coming over to the
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Point 3 just killed any hope of this app for me. If I purchase an app for
$100 and its only good
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See, that's where I differ from you. I do not and will not subscribe to such
a service. Paid services such as Serious, Pandora
APH designed their app for the brailleplus 18, their blindness-oriented
notetaker/phone that runs Android, and after that was on the market for a
while, they released the app to the playstore. So it makes sense that they'd do
that imho. The map data the Sendero app uses come from navteq, or you
hi there well not sure how sensative the inbuilt receiver is i
suppose it is like the treka breeze how good is it's gps
receiver. hard to say really.
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hi there keith interesting but say on my sendero on the apex
because the maps are actually on the machine even though they
will not get updated they will still work and yes cost is
important for blind people as we have to pay much more for our
devices and of course the software. am i correct
I am sticking with my iPhone. I use TomTom, Apple Maps, Local Scope (which
nicely accesses and integrates multiple sources for POIs, listing, for example,
all of the local bus stops in my city), Where To (though Local Scope has become
my primary app for POIs), Navigon (I much prefer TomTom),
: Summary of Seeing Eye app presentation at CSUN
hi there keith interesting but say on my sendero on the apex
because the maps are actually on the machine even though they
will not get updated they will still work and yes cost is
important for blind people as we have to pay much more for our
illegal here years ago, but rules change, often for the worse.
You're not even buying a product to keep any more!
Rh.
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I wonder whether they are thinking of 1-3 years of updates, or 1-3
years where you will be allowed to use the app
Of James Mannion
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There is a population of blind Android usesers that swear by it and
swear off Apple and accept inferior accessibility because their
priority is google
hi richard i just put in a search for maps here in the uk on the
apple store and it is amazing how many there are truly amazing
also how many gps apps are there as well. as i said earlier at
least we have the choice now. it will be very interesting to see
how it all plans out. i did notice
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Hi Mary trouble it is the maps that incur the costs I cannot
understand why the actual maps on the phone cannot be used.
so with blind square do you need four square as well for the poi data?
I did try blind over hear in the uk
, 2013 12:49 AM
Subject: Re: Summary of Seeing Eye app presentation at CSUN
I wonder whether they are thinking of 1-3 years of updates, or 1-3
years where you will be allowed to use the app? If the latter, I
wonder how they'll possibly enforce this given that it is not the way
purchases from
hi there
very interesting about the gps receiver. i think mike said the
garmin glo one was difficult to get working for the braille note
and the braille sense products. i agree about the costs again
for us blind people we have to think about the cost of all this.
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I wonder whether they are thinking of 1-3 years of updates, or 1-3
years where you will be allowed to use the app? If the latter, I
wonder how
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Google has a public API which anyone can use on any platform to get map and
location data.
LookTel Breadcrumbs GPS uses this currently to retrieve nearest address,
street and city / state info for a traveler's
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Google has a public API which anyone can use on any platform to get map and
location data.
LookTel Breadcrumbs
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I wonder whether they are thinking of 1-3 years of updates, or 1-3
years where you will be allowed to use the app? If the latter, I
wonder how they'll possibly enforce
John,
Exactly. You bought a device, it had maps on it. You can now choose to upgrade
or not to upgrade those maps on the device when they become available. If you
do not choose to upgrade the device will continue to work the way it was sold
to you.
Now I buy a device, lets call it an iPhone.
Which is why I have everything covered that the Seeing Eye app will be
providing in a few apps. TomTom and Apple Maps gives me just about everything I
need including names of streets I am passing, turn by turn directions,
automatic routing and rerouting, with onboard maps (TomTom) or online
Hello everybody:
At the risk of offending some people, I offer a different perspective on the
developer of the seeing eye app charging fees every year or every three years.
If the developer went to a one time pricing model, it would have to price the
app higher to recover its development
Eye app presentation at CSUN
Which is why I have everything covered that the Seeing Eye app will be
providing in a few apps. TomTom and Apple Maps gives me just about
everything I need including names of streets I am passing, turn by turn
directions, automatic routing and rerouting, with onboard
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Oh that explains it. Sounds like there is little to no chance that the
APH option is coming to IOS then.
On 3/2/13, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
APH explained, in an interview last year, that they decided on Android
Didn't Alva try this with their MPO, and we saw what happened to that.
Andy
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I think the background is that APH
Has the Sendero app been released yet or are we still just speculating
on it's price and functionality?
As with all of these discussions, everyone can obviously have an
opinion, but each person needs to decide for themselves if the feature
set is worth the price or not. Sure, you may get close to
years
of access, or what.
Richard
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Has
Richard,
Have you tried the apple maps? I've heard some people say that they have no
issue with Apple maps. I guess it just depends on the luck of the draw, rather
like Navigon and what it does with Portland.
Mary
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The manual for the app is available on the Sendero site. And the app has not
been released, nor has a price been announced. So all we know is what is in the
available documentation, e.g. what are the map sources etc.
Mary
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Richard,
Have you tried the apple maps
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I wonder whether they are thinking of 1-3 years of updates, or 1-3
years where you
drain that perhaps one integrated app
would diminish?
Thanks. Keith
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to keep any more!
Rh.
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I wonder whether they are thinking of 1-3 years of updates, or 1-3
years
: Summary of Seeing Eye app presentation at CSUN
Which is why I have everything covered that the Seeing Eye app will be
providing in a few apps. TomTom and Apple Maps gives me just about
everything I need including names of streets I am passing, turn by turn
directions, automatic routing
a fresh look at.
Thank you,
Richard
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The Apple
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Which is why I have everything covered that the Seeing Eye app will be
providing in a few apps. TomTom and Apple Maps gives me just about
everything I need including names of streets I am passing, turn
, and that Apple's business and marketing
policies
are too restrictive.
Andy
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Oh that explains it. Sounds like
, 2013 3:24 PM
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Which is why I have everything covered that the Seeing Eye app will be
providing in a few apps. TomTom and Apple Maps gives me just about
everything I need including names of streets I am
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Which is why I have everything covered that the Seeing Eye app
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Which is why I have everything covered that the Seeing Eye app
1: The maps are online. The app is using the Mapquest engine.
2: No virtual mode when the app is released, but it may be added later based on
user feedback.
3: The cost is likely to be around 100 dollars. It is not decided if that will
be for one year or three years.
4: When asked for a release
Point 3 just killed any hope of this app for me. If I purchase an app for $100
and its only good for a year? Dream on! I would rather donate $100 to blind
square.
Keith
On Mar 1, 2013, at 7:17 PM, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote:
1: The maps are online. The app is using the
Does that mean )100 for one or three years of access? If so, wow!
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
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On 02/03/2013, at 13:17, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote:
1: The maps are online. The app is using the
If anyone wants to give Sendero Group feedback about the pricing of the Seeing
Eye app or anything else, here is their contact form and tole free phone number:
http://www.senderogroup.com/about/contact_us.asp
1-888-757-6810 ext. 0, for customer service or sales
Richard
(Sent from Richard's
Let's all hope APH will bring the Near By Explorer app to IOS. I also
reserve judgement on the Sendero app for sure. Honestly though, so far
from what I have heard about each of these apps, and I have not yet
used either of them, the APH offering is way better from what I am
able to go on so far.
And, it's using Mapquest? I can't tell you how many circuitous routes and
getting-lost horror road trips I've been on thanks to MQ. Prepare to take the
scenic route, whether you can see or not.
Mark BurningHawk
Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969
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Eye app presentation at CSUN
Point 3 just killed any hope of this app for me. If I purchase an app for
$100 and its only good for a year? Dream on! I would rather donate $100 to
blind square.
Keith
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wrote:
1: The maps are online
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