Re: [VoiceOps] A2P-aaS

2023-09-20 Thread Pinchas Neiman via VoiceOps
Or use a modem with +AT commands, like in old days https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2161197/how-to-send-receive-sms-using-at-commands On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 6:56 PM Calvin E. via VoiceOps < voiceops@voiceops.org> wrote: > What part of the campaign registration do you want to be done for

Re: [VoiceOps] A2P-aaS

2023-09-20 Thread Calvin E. via VoiceOps
What part of the campaign registration do you want to be done for you? Brand registration requires a lot of specific detail, all of which gets verified and in some cases requires OTP verification using the brand owner's mobile number, not the number being registered. After that comes the campaign

Re: [VoiceOps] Request to block number?

2023-09-20 Thread Mark R Lindsey, ECG via VoiceOps
Why do we assume the caller has the right to place calls from the number he’s using? If you can call him back and reach him at the number from which he is calling, then I would have a stronger reason to believe that he actually has the right place calls from that number. But in the absence of

Re: [VoiceOps] Request to block number?

2023-09-20 Thread Alex Balashov via VoiceOps
I suppose it's an argument for shortening the predicate of any advisory about call recording. Your call may be recorded. Period. We cannot say for what, lest we box ourselves into a position to which there will be a rare exception, and therefore a possible liability. Yet, as far as I know, lawyers

Re: [VoiceOps] Request to block number?

2023-09-20 Thread Jay Hennigan via VoiceOps
On 9/19/23 10:04, Christopher Aloi via VoiceOps wrote: Ha! We did ask the "why" he just kept asking.  It's very odd, I just can't figure out the end game.  He's called a few times. "No." is a complete sentence. -- Jay Hennigan - j...@west.net Network Engineering - CCIE #7880 503 897-8550 -

Re: [VoiceOps] Request to block number?

2023-09-20 Thread Alex Balashov via VoiceOps
As I know it, dashcams are legal in Germany, but one must scrupulously take care not to publish any videos taken publicly with personally identifying details, such as licence plate numbers, human faces, etc. > On Sep 20, 2023, at 1:14 PM, Carlos Alvarez via VoiceOps > wrote: > > You can’t

Re: [VoiceOps] Request to block number?

2023-09-20 Thread Henning Westerholt via VoiceOps
We are getting now into off-topic of course, but since some time you can use a dash cam legally in Germany, if you can ensure that its only record when an accident happens (i.e. not recording and storing it all the time). There have been several higher court lawsuits now for it. Cheers,

Re: [VoiceOps] Request to block number?

2023-09-20 Thread Paul Timmins via VoiceOps
I mean, if you disclosed the information and it wasn't legally protected in a way you had a duty for (a care practitioner disclosing medical information, or a phone company disclosing subscriber information) then you should be cool, I'd think. In the US truth is an affirmative defense for libel

Re: [VoiceOps] Request to block number?

2023-09-20 Thread Carlos Alvarez via VoiceOps
You can’t even have a dashcam recording on a loop in Germany for the purposes of proving the events of a collision, so there’s definitely a huge difference in restrictions and freedom. On Sep 20, 2023 at 10:02:45 AM, Henning Westerholt via VoiceOps < voiceops@voiceops.org> wrote: > Hello Alex,

Re: [VoiceOps] Request to block number?

2023-09-20 Thread Alex Balashov via VoiceOps
And still, I wonder. You call my company, my menu says "your call may be recorded for training and quality control". Somehow in the course of our call you confess an embarrassing personal truth. I post it on YouTube and Reddit for all to hear.This is not training or quality control. Do I reserve

Re: [VoiceOps] Request to block number?

2023-09-20 Thread Paul Timmins via VoiceOps
It is, and there's a family of youtube streamers out there who make a living doing it (Pierogi at Scammer Payback for example). One of those interesting instances where laws differ between countries. On Sep 20, 2023, at 1:04 PM, Carlos Alvarez via VoiceOps wrote: List messages often arrive

Re: [VoiceOps] Request to block number?

2023-09-20 Thread Carlos Alvarez via VoiceOps
List messages often arrive out of order for me, and I think that happened here. I may have been misquoting. But yeah, I’ve never heard of a law against sharing lawful recordings. I think it should be legal for me to publicize recordings of me harassing scammers, right? On Sep 20, 2023 at

Re: [VoiceOps] How much will the TRACED act help with international orignated robocalls

2023-09-20 Thread Mary Lou Carey via VoiceOps
I know a lot of international carriers are trying to get their own STIR-SHAKEN certificates because they don't want their traffic to be blocked. MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796- On 2023-09-20 10:15 AM, Pinchas Neiman via VoiceOps wrote: Hi, A

Re: [VoiceOps] Request to block number?

2023-09-20 Thread Henning Westerholt via VoiceOps
Hello Alex, Thanks for the clarification. I don't want to start a legal discussion; in the end we are probably no lawyers.  yes, at least in German/European law this are two different things. Its of course much easier to record a call, especially if one side (like the customer) give consent

Re: [VoiceOps] Request to block number?

2023-09-20 Thread Alex Balashov via VoiceOps
I thought I stated the recording law accurately? I think Henning was inquiring not so much about the legality of recording per se (which you have accurately addressed) as publicising the recording. As far as I know, US state and federal laws do not have a specific statute against this as long

Re: [VoiceOps] Request to block number?

2023-09-20 Thread Carlos Alvarez via VoiceOps
I’m surprised that you’re not aware of the laws on this (or lack of). There are only a small number of states with all party consent laws, most are single party. You just can’t record a third-party conversation where you are not involved, and they don’t know you’re recording. It leads to a

Re: [VoiceOps] How much will the TRACED act help with international orignated robocalls

2023-09-20 Thread Michael Graves via VoiceOps
Traceback will definitely identify the US provider to is acting as a gateway, accepting the traffic from overseas. In accepting the traffic, they have a responsibility to ensure that the it’s legitimate. Michael Graves mgra...@mstvp.com From: VoiceOps On Behalf Of

Re: [VoiceOps] How much will the TRACED act help with international orignated robocalls

2023-09-20 Thread Dovid Bender via VoiceOps
Pinchas, I never looked into intl. CLI but I believe it's only mandated for CLI that originates with US CLI. I just did some test calls where the CLI was from Cyprus using non US carriers (BICS, Bezeq, Cyta) and N2P (US based) and in all cases except one the calls were sent unsigned. In one case

[VoiceOps] How much will the TRACED act help with international orignated robocalls

2023-09-20 Thread Pinchas Neiman via VoiceOps
Hi, A friend of mine complained to me about receiving numerous robocalls from international sources. While it seems to be way above average, and he seems to be targeted (due to popularity, age, etc.), the point is that international robocalls are still continuing. I am wondering about the efforts

Re: [VoiceOps] Request to block number?

2023-09-20 Thread Alex Balashov via VoiceOps
Under US law, if the recording was obtained lawfully (that is, if consent was obtained from both parties, or if the US state in question does it require consent from both parties, only one party), there is no specific prohibition against publicising it that I'm aware of.—Sent from mobile,

Re: [VoiceOps] Request to block number?

2023-09-20 Thread Henning Westerholt via VoiceOps
Hello, kind of interesting that you post a recording of incoming call publicly on this list. For the record, I did not listen to it. Under German law this would be probably a criminal offence with a penalty of 2 up to 5 years prison, depending on your position and how serious the infringement