At 10:02 pm 18/05/2005 -0400, you wrote:
I think it remarkable how this discussion
spun out of control by misunderstanding the
original post. And this is a group that is
supposed to be analysing new science in a
meaningful way.
Spun out of control? What a cheek!
We've not spun out of
When we had the thread about cohering the ZPE by super cold water, it
occurred to me that freezing, and bursting would be a problem with
super cold water. This appears to get around that problem.
http://www.physorg.com/news4113.html
From: Mike Carrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
As much as I'm an advocate for BLP, if the available wind energy is that
great, it is as worth going after as building hydroelectric dams which wipe
out wild life and homesteads.
Yes, but hydroelectric facilities have the advantage of lengthening the
If it is not too cheeky, can we switch the aesthetic issues of
eco-power from sun-to-wind... ?
This Stanford study is very exciting... as in.. exciting enough
that it engendered for me an incredible Technicolor, vivid-dream,
so real that it was a real drag (drogue) to awaken this morning.
I wrote:
That's true. A large wind turbine produces 1 or 2 MW nameplate, 0.3 to 0.6
MW actual. The wind tower being planned in Australia . . .
SHOULD BE: The solar tower being planned in Australia . . .
Elsewhere:
The big difference is land area. The wind power in takes up 10,000 ha . . .
Even
From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I had a vision (dream) of a beautiful sailing ship
implementation for wind energy...
You must stop eating the habaneros after 8 pm!
I thin' you have a brilliant idea 'cept for the transport of the Liquair. Many
oil wells burn off their methane
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Personally, I also think it is deplorable that there are parents who are
oblivious to raising children that never have the chance to see the
miracle of a firefly. Truly tragic.
But wait a minute, Jed. There is an absurd aspect to what you're saying!
Let me put it
Terry,
You must stop eating the habaneros after 8 pm!
Nope. Just breaking in my new expresso machine.
I thin' you have a brilliant idea 'cept for the transport of the
Liquair. Many oil wells burn off their methane because of the
cost of transport.
Well let me counter the last part with this.
Hi Mike,
From: Mike Carrell
...
I think it remarkable how this discussion spun out of
control by misunderstanding the original post. And this
is a group that is supposed to be analysing new science
in a meaningful way.
The original post was about mapping the wind at various
parts of
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I specifically chose SOLAR TOWERS (not windmills) because they would be
HUGE in-your-face structures. Because they are TOWERS, their structural
shape tend to represent strong psychic archetypes to different people and
societies depending on cultural backgrounds.
Oh come
From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BTW, Terry, do you still have the French-speaking associate?
How did she like my le mot juste and clever cross-cultural pun
(or did I get it wrong in translation?)
For those who do not appreciate cross-cultural punage, lover in
French means wind,
Mike Carrell wrote:
A mere million wind turbines will become invisible. When I first moved
to south Jersey from Iowa I was aware of the pervasive untility poles and
wires along streets and highways; now I hardly notice them.
First, wind turbines are MUCH taller than utility poles, and MUCH more
From: Jed Rothwell
...
Oh come now. You mean they would be phallic symbols,
like the Washington Monument. Believe me, that
represents the same psychic archetype to people
in every society. It is unmistakable.
Jed,
Do not put words in my mouth.
It is you and you alone who has suggested
Hmmm, well, we didn't get it. AAMOF we called Prof. Ditmann
(her Jewish French husband) and he didn't get it. 'Wind' is 'le
vent' in French. 'Lover' means 'to coil'. Lover le vent? To
coil the wind? A vortex? So maybe you are using a scientific
term which the good professor is
Some design problems have no solution. Some have solutions
requiringsmall or severe compromise. Some have beautiful simplistic
solutions.Spending countless hours dailyin the design and
development of a reactor unit that holds hope for pretreating seawater for
reverse osmosis (RO), I often
From: Jed Rothwell
[it has been one year since Gene was murdered. Here
is an obituary I wrote for Infinite Energy magazine.
The family objected to it, so naturally I
acquiesced and withdrew it from publication. After
all this time I suppose
there is no harm to uploading it here. - Jed]
OK, time for some Shelley, as my beat friend Bob Dombrowski likes
to opine, Ozymandias, you've done better than most...
K.
Ozymandias
--
I met a traveler from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a
At 06:58 am 19/05/2005 -0700, Beene wrote:
snip
This is another grand feature (maybe) of the completed concept, as
the energy product of these sailing factories is not electrical
current at all, but instead is **liquid air** (enriched in O2).
Whenever there is adequate wind, day or night, the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FWIW: I'm NOT arguing we SHOULD build a thousand solar towers, even though
I've obviously taken the side that maybe they might not be such a bad
thing considering what the alternatives might be.
If we do not build thousands, they will contribute only a tiny fraction of
At 10:59 am 19/05/2005 -0400, Steven wrote:
snip
I specifically chose SOLAR TOWERS (not windmills)
because they would be HUGE in-your-face structures.
Because they are TOWERS, their structural shape
tend to represent strong psychic archetypes to
different people
Like is
From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED]
looks like I am a victim of my own exuberance, and got
emmerded, tout suite, in an all-English problem, the infamous
homonym.
Ah, confession is good for the soul. Lover le vent, to wind the wind.
It's enough to make a homonymphobe of any of us .
I totally agree with Jed, so let me tell you some of my experiences
while growing up, which many of you who are old enough will have
experienced as well. Where I lived in Pennsylvania 60 years ago, the
towns, which were small and separated from each other, were surrounded
by forests and still
- Original Message -
From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:48 PM
Subject: Explantion for some caviation OU
Thinking about Knuke's recent post, and the anomaly he experienced
with unfortunate long-term health risks, I
Jeff writes,
I tried this with my CDV-700 which gives one click every five to
ten seconds
as background. After wiping a 21 in monitor and a TV screen
with the
tissue, I got no change. This seems pecular since I know that
there are
houses within 12 mi with radon problems and mineable grade of
Jed Rothwell wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Personally, I also think it is deplorable that there are parents who
are oblivious to raising children that never have the chance to see
the miracle of a firefly. Truly tragic.
One moment -- there's something more here that deserves a comment.
I
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
The average nuclear plant is about 980 MW I think, and in 1999 the
capacity factor was 88.5%, which is lower than I expected. In other words
actual size is around 870 MW.
I don't understand this. I'll expose some ignorance; perhaps someone can
address it:
Is 980MW
I wrote:
Where have the fireflies gone? What's happened to them?
They have been done in by pesticides, pavement, the destruction of
wetlands, and water pollution.
Also bright lights. Light interferes with their sex life, which is the only
life they've got. The adult flight stage of their life
Light interferes with their sex life, which is the only
life they've got.
...and from the more information than I needed department...
http://iris.biosci.ohio-state.edu/projects/FFiles/frfact.html
From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Light interferes with their sex life, which is the only
life they've got.
...and from the more information than I needed department...
http://iris.biosci.ohio-state.edu/projects/FFiles/frfact.html
Reminds me of this painfully funny book on
Jed and Ed have voiced eloquent laments for wild
space and connection to Nature. Ironic that TV ads for automobiles seduce with
the lure of access to ever more remote open space.
We've gots lots of people and more on the way. They
will need to make a living. Doing what? Living where?
Makes methane from almost anything organic:
http://pesn.com/2005/05/16/6900096_Syngas/
The prototype model has already been successfully tested using a number of
inputs including low-grade coal, wood waste and other biomass, yielding
superior results with lower costs and emissions than
Mike Carrell wrote:
Jed and Ed have voiced eloquent laments for wild space and connection to
Nature. Ironic that TV ads for automobiles seduce with the lure of
access to ever more remote open space.
We've gots lots of people and more on the way. They will need to make a
living. Doing what?
From: Mike Carrell
...
Jed and Ed have voiced eloquent laments for wild space
and connection to Nature. Ironic that TV ads for
automobiles seduce with the lure of access to ever
more remote open space.
We've gots lots of people and more on the way. They
will need to make a living.
From: Grimer
...
Like is that a gun in your pocket or are
you just pleased to see me? ;-)
F.
A really BIG gun.
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
Mike Carrell wrote:
We've gots lots of people and more on the way. They will need to make a
living. Doing what? Living where?
If I were the dictator of the world I would keep everyone busy! I have tons
of homework assignments, as I said in Chapter 20 of the book. As for where
to live, I think
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Incidentally, I'm not quite sure I follow what this has to do with my
seemingly tyrannical support of the Ominous Solar Tower National Project
(Shortened to: OSTNP) other than I guess it is being argued that it will
generate meaningless make-work. If so, not sure I buy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You may call yourself a proud card-carrying Luddite
Jed a luddite? He uses VR software to argue with you. :-)
Can't seem to find it, but there was an image of a Luddite rally in the
capital and one participant was wearing a digital watch.
Hi Jed,
From: Jed Rothwell
...
I was kidding, although I certainly do agree with Lord
Byron. I sympathize with the Luddites, and I loathe the
notion that all technology is good, or inevitable.
Generally, I agree with whatever Arthur C. Clarke has
to say. See Profiles of the Future.
-
Sounds like another Plasma Reactor. Destroys wood products, toxic waste, garbage, agricultural waste, petroleum, etc. etc.Does anybody really believe that Plasma could possiblydo all that?
Regards,
Chris ArnoldTerry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Makes methane from almost anything
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