Re: Syngas

2005-05-19 Thread Christopher Arnold
Sounds like another Plasma Reactor. Destroys wood products, toxic waste, garbage, agricultural waste, petroleum, etc. etc. Does anybody really believe that Plasma could possibly do all that?   Regards, Chris ArnoldTerry Blanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Makes methane from almost anything organic

Re: Lament for space

2005-05-19 Thread orionworks
Hi Jed, > From: Jed Rothwell ... > I was kidding, although I certainly do agree with Lord > Byron. I sympathize with the Luddites, and I loathe the > notion that all technology is good, or inevitable. > Generally, I agree with whatever Arthur C. Clarke has > to say. See "Profiles of the Future.

Re: Lament for space

2005-05-19 Thread Terry Blanton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may call yourself a proud card-carrying Luddite Jed a luddite? He uses VR software to argue with you. :-) Can't seem to find it, but there was an image of a Luddite rally in the capital and one participant was wearing a digital watch.

Re: Lament for space

2005-05-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incidentally, I'm not quite sure I follow what this has to do with my seemingly tyrannical support of the Ominous Solar Tower National Project (Shortened to: OSTNP) other than I guess it is being argued that it will generate meaningless make-work. If so, not sure I buy t

Re: Lament for space

2005-05-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mike Carrell wrote: We've gots lots of people and more on the way. They will need to make a living. Doing what? Living where? If I were the dictator of the world I would keep everyone busy! I have tons of homework assignments, as I said in Chapter 20 of the book. As for where to live, I think th

Re: Mile-high Solar Towers: political ramifications

2005-05-19 Thread orionworks
> From: Grimer ... > Like "is that a gun in your pocket or are > you just pleased to see me?" ;-) > > F. A really BIG gun. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com

Re: Lament for space

2005-05-19 Thread orionworks
> From: "Mike Carrell" ... > Jed and Ed have voiced eloquent laments for wild space > and connection to Nature. Ironic that TV ads for > automobiles seduce with the lure of access to ever > more remote open space. > > We've gots lots of people and more on the way. They > will need to make a liv

Re: Lament for space

2005-05-19 Thread peat bogg
Mike Carrell wrote: Jed and Ed have voiced eloquent laments for wild space and connection to Nature. Ironic that TV ads for automobiles seduce with the lure of access to ever more remote open space. We've gots lots of people and more on the way. They will need to make a living. Doing what? Liv

Syngas

2005-05-19 Thread Terry Blanton
Makes methane from almost anything organic: http://pesn.com/2005/05/16/6900096_Syngas/ "The prototype model has already been successfully tested using a number of inputs including low-grade coal, wood waste and other biomass, yielding superior results with lower costs and emissions than current

Lament for space

2005-05-19 Thread Mike Carrell
Jed and Ed have voiced eloquent laments for wild space and connection to Nature. Ironic that TV ads for automobiles seduce with the lure of access to ever more remote open space.   We've gots lots of people and more on the way. They will need to make a living. Doing what? Living where?   Je

Re: Fireflies

2005-05-19 Thread Terry Blanton
> > From: "Jones Beene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Light interferes with their sex life, which is the only > > life they've got. > > ...and from the "more information than I needed department..." > http://iris.biosci.ohio-state.edu/projects/FFiles/frfact.html Reminds me of this painfully funny

Re: Fireflies

2005-05-19 Thread Jones Beene
Light interferes with their sex life, which is the only life they've got. ...and from the "more information than I needed department..." http://iris.biosci.ohio-state.edu/projects/FFiles/frfact.html

Fireflies

2005-05-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: Where have the fireflies gone? What's happened to them? They have been done in by pesticides, pavement, the destruction of wetlands, and water pollution. Also bright lights. Light interferes with their sex life, which is the only life they've got. The adult flight stage of their life cy

Re: Mile-high Solar Towers: political ramifications

2005-05-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: The average nuclear plant is about 980 MW I think, and in 1999 the capacity factor was 88.5%, which is lower than I expected. In other words "actual" size is around 870 MW. I don't understand this. I'll expose some ignorance; perhaps someone can address it: Is 980MW

Re: Mile-high Solar Towers: political ramifications

2005-05-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: For the first time in several years, I saw a firefly last year. This is not because I'm never outside in the evening in the summer! I am, fairly often, and I've been watching for them. They're not there. Where have the fireflies gone? What's happened to them? They h

Re: Mile-high Solar Towers: political ramifications

2005-05-19 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jed Rothwell wrote: Mike Carrell wrote: It was millions of windmills, not millions of wind towers. That's true. A large wind turbine produces 1 or 2 MW nameplate, 0.3 to 0.6 MW actual. The wind tower being planned in Australia will produce 200 MW nameplate, and I suppose about the same actual.

Re: Mile-high Solar Towers: political ramifications

2005-05-19 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jed Rothwell wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I also think it is deplorable that there are parents who are oblivious to raising children that never have the chance to see the miracle of a firefly. Truly tragic. One moment -- there's something more here that deserves a comment. I grew

Re: Explanation for some cavtiation OU

2005-05-19 Thread Jones Beene
Jeff writes, I tried this with my CDV-700 which gives one click every five to ten seconds as background. After wiping a 21 in monitor and a TV screen with the tissue, I got no change. This seems pecular since I know that there are houses within 12 mi with radon problems and mineable grade of U

Re: Explantion for some caviation OU

2005-05-19 Thread revtec
- Original Message - From: "Jones Beene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "vortex" Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:48 PM Subject: Explantion for some caviation OU > Thinking about Knuke's recent post, and the anomaly he experienced > with unfortunate long-term health risks, I believe that I hav

Re: Mile-high Solar Towers: political ramifications

2005-05-19 Thread Edmund Storms
I totally agree with Jed, so let me tell you some of my experiences while growing up, which many of you who are old enough will have experienced as well. Where I lived in Pennsylvania 60 years ago, the towns, which were small and separated from each other, were surrounded by forests and still

Re: Wind Mapped

2005-05-19 Thread Terry Blanton
> > From: "Jones Beene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > looks like I am a victim of my own exuberance, and got > emmerded, tout suite, in an all-English problem, the infamous > homonym. Ah, confession is good for the soul. Lover le vent, to wind the wind. It's enough to make a homonymphobe of any

Re: Mile-high Solar Towers: political ramifications

2005-05-19 Thread Grimer
At 10:59 am 19/05/2005 -0400, Steven wrote: > I specifically chose SOLAR TOWERS (not windmills) > because they would be HUGE in-your-face structures. > Because they are TOWERS, their structural shape > tend to represent strong psychic archetypes to > different people Like "is t

Re: Mile-high Solar Towers: political ramifications

2005-05-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW: I'm NOT arguing we SHOULD build a thousand solar towers, even though I've obviously taken the side that maybe they might not be such a bad thing considering what the alternatives might be. If we do not build thousands, they will contribute only a tiny fraction of o

Re: Wind Mapped

2005-05-19 Thread Grimer
At 06:58 am 19/05/2005 -0700, Beene wrote: >This is another grand feature (maybe) of the completed concept, as >the energy product of these sailing factories is not electrical >current at all, but instead is **liquid air** (enriched in O2). >Whenever there is adequate wind, day or night, the

RE: Mile-high Solar Towers: political ramifications

2005-05-19 Thread Keith Nagel
OK, time for some Shelley, as my beat friend Bob Dombrowski likes to opine, "Ozymandias, you've done better than most..." K. Ozymandias -- I met a traveler from an antique land Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand, Half sunk, a shatter

Re: Mallove obituary

2005-05-19 Thread orionworks
> From: Jed Rothwell > [it has been one year since Gene was murdered. Here > is an obituary I wrote for Infinite Energy magazine. > The family objected to it, so naturally I > acquiesced and withdrew it from publication. After > all this time I suppose > there is no harm to uploading it here. -

Stimulating the imagination

2005-05-19 Thread RC Macaulay
Some design problems have no solution. Some have solutions requiring small or severe compromise. Some have beautiful simplistic solutions. Spending countless hours daily in the design and development of a reactor unit that holds hope for pretreating seawater for reverse osmosis (RO), I often

Re: Wind Mapped

2005-05-19 Thread Jones Beene
Hmmm, well, we didn't get it. AAMOF we called Prof. Ditmann (her Jewish French husband) and he didn't get it. 'Wind' is 'le vent' in French. 'Lover' means 'to coil'. Lover le vent? To coil the wind? A vortex? So maybe you are using a scientific term which the good professor is unfamilia

Re: Mile-high Solar Towers: political ramifications

2005-05-19 Thread orionworks
> From: Jed Rothwell ... > Oh come now. You mean they would be phallic symbols, > like the Washington Monument. Believe me, that > represents the same psychic archetype to people > in every society. It is unmistakable. Jed, Do not put words in my mouth. It is you and you alone who has suggest

Re: Wind Mapped

2005-05-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mike Carrell wrote: A mere million wind turbines will become invisible. When I first moved to south Jersey from Iowa I was aware of the pervasive untility poles and wires along streets and highways; now I hardly notice them. First, wind turbines are MUCH taller than utility poles, and MUCH more vi

Re: Wind Mapped

2005-05-19 Thread Terry Blanton
> > From: "Jones Beene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > BTW, Terry, do you still have the French-speaking associate? > > How did she like my "le mot juste" and clever cross-cultural pun > (or did I get it wrong in translation?) > > For those who do not appreciate cross-cultural punage, "lover" in > Fr

Re: Mile-high Solar Towers: political ramifications

2005-05-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I specifically chose SOLAR TOWERS (not windmills) because they would be HUGE in-your-face structures. Because they are TOWERS, their structural shape tend to represent strong psychic archetypes to different people and societies depending on cultural backgrounds. Oh come

Re: Mile-high Solar Towers: political ramifications

2005-05-19 Thread orionworks
Hi Mike, > From: "Mike Carrell" ... > I think it remarkable how this discussion spun out of > control by misunderstanding the original post. And this > is a group that is supposed to be analysing new science > in a meaningful way. > > The original post was about mapping the wind at various > pa

Re: Wind Mapped

2005-05-19 Thread Jones Beene
Terry, You must stop eating the habaneros after 8 pm! Nope. Just breaking in my new expresso machine. I thin' you have a brilliant idea 'cept for the transport of the Liquair. Many oil wells burn off their methane because of the cost of transport. Well let me counter the last part with this. Oil

Re: Mile-high Solar Towers: political ramifications

2005-05-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I also think it is deplorable that there are parents who are oblivious to raising children that never have the chance to see the miracle of a firefly. Truly tragic. But wait a minute, Jed. There is an absurd aspect to what you're saying! Let me put it differ

Re: Wind Mapped

2005-05-19 Thread Terry Blanton
> > From: "Jones Beene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I had a vision (dream) of a beautiful "sailing ship" > implementation for wind energy... You must stop eating the habaneros after 8 pm! I thin' you have a brilliant idea 'cept for the transport of the Liquair. Many oil wells burn off their meth

Re: Mile-high Solar Towers - correction

2005-05-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: "That's true. A large wind turbine produces 1 or 2 MW nameplate, 0.3 to 0.6 MW actual. The wind tower being planned in Australia . . ." SHOULD BE: "The solar tower being planned in Australia . . ." Elsewhere: "The big difference is land area. The wind power in takes up 10,000 ha . . ." E

Re: Mile-high Solar Towers: political ramifications

2005-05-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mike Carrell wrote: It was millions of windmills, not millions of wind towers. That's true. A large wind turbine produces 1 or 2 MW nameplate, 0.3 to 0.6 MW actual. The wind tower being planned in Australia will produce 200 MW nameplate, and I suppose about the same actual. So it would take ~300

Re: Wind Mapped

2005-05-19 Thread Jones Beene
If it is not too "cheeky," can we switch the aesthetic issues of eco-power from sun-to-wind... ? This Stanford study is very exciting... as in.. exciting enough that it engendered for me an incredible Technicolor, vivid-dream, so real that it was a real drag (drogue) to awaken this morning. F

Re: Wind Mapped

2005-05-19 Thread Terry Blanton
> > From: "Mike Carrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > As much as I'm an advocate for BLP, if the available wind energy is that > great, it is as worth going after as building hydroelectric dams which wipe > out wild life and homesteads. Yes, but hydroelectric facilities have the advantage of lengtheni