Re: Wired article on Jahn

2005-07-21 Thread Christopher Arnold
So you agree that RV is real and some are better at it than others? ChrisTerry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Christopher Arnold Also, Hal Puthoff experimented on this topic with Ingo Swann in the early days of RV in attempts to manipulate machines from a distance.Actually, Pat Price put

Re: Wired article on Jahn

2005-07-21 Thread Grimer
At 07:12 pm 20/07/2005 -0400, you wrote: Grimer wrote: I have to respectfully disagree with that statement. Suppose you observe some scientific phenomena which only occurs once and you are the only observer. If it only occurs once then it isn't scientific -- yet. You have to reproduce it. If

Re: US military does ZPE

2005-07-21 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Terry Blanton wrote: From: Stephen A. Lawrence . . . you can be 99% sure, has nothing to do with any supposed secret space station. Assuming he is lying, what would be his motive? I don't think he's lying. What he said in the interview made it sound to me like he saw

Re: Wired article on Jahn

2005-07-21 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jed Rothwell wrote: Grimer wrote: I have to respectfully disagree with that statement. Suppose you observe some scientific phenomena which only occurs once and you are the only observer. If it only occurs once then it isn't scientific -- yet. You have to reproduce it. If you cannot

Re: Remote viewing and coral fertilization

2005-07-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Coral reef spawning time is apparently phase-locked in some way, using a signal we had not previously identified. There is, however, nothing especially mysterious about phase-locking to an (as yet unidentified) external signal: evolutionarily, it's presumably an

Re: Wired article on Jahn

2005-07-21 Thread Terry Blanton
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why won't those saucers just cooperate! Neither did the WOW signal: http://www.planetary.org/html/news/articlearchive/headlines/2001/Wow.htm

Re: Wired article on Jahn

2005-07-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it only occurs once then it isn't scientific -- yet. You have to reproduce it. If you cannot reproduce it, then eventually you must conclude that you did not see it. Using your own words, that's absolutely ridiculous! Tell that to all those pesky UFOs that come

More O-P thoughts

2005-07-21 Thread Jones Beene
Here is further elaboration of specific MAHG analytical details - which tend to support the hypothesis that the operative OU rationale relates to ortho-para hydrogen, and the rapidly alternating but asymmetric conversion of the two isomers catalytically. The end result being the coherence

Re: Wired article on Jahn

2005-07-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: If it only occurs once then it isn't scientific -- yet. You have to reproduce it. If you cannot reproduce it, then eventually you must conclude that you did not see it. Nonsense. If you cannot reproduce it you must conclude that it is very hard to reproduce.

Re: Wired article on Jahn

2005-07-21 Thread orionworks
The continuing debate between [EMAIL PROTECTED] and Jed: If it only occurs once then it isn't scientific -- yet. You have to reproduce it. If you cannot reproduce it, then eventually you must conclude that you did not see it. Using your own words, that's absolutely ridiculous!

Re: Wired article on Jahn

2005-07-21 Thread Christopher Arnold
Jed, Respectfully, some people need funding to hire HELP, otherwise they use a pencil and paper. It is not the fault of the discoverer that he ONLY discovered the breakthrough that a hard working professional data cruncher would never have bothered attempting, much less even think of. And how

Re: The Secret of Sonoluminescence

2005-07-21 Thread Grimer
Insight into a problem is a bit like experiencing a vision. One sees something but doesn't know what it means. I find myself in this situation with regard to the effect of drop in Beta-atmospheric (B-a) pressure on the strength of the attraction and repulsion of positive and negative

Re: Wired article on Jahn

2005-07-21 Thread Grimer
At 12:23 pm 21/07/2005 -0400, Steven wrote: . For example, it's often been my highly subjective and idle day dreams that spuriously flit across my consciousness like UFOs that have pointed me in the direction of another personal discovery, or how to conduct an experiment, or how to

Re: Wired article on Jahn

2005-07-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If acute intelligence, keen observation and astounding intuition were a reliable guide to nature, people would have devised starships thousands of years ago. People have always had these mental abilities, but they never did us much good until we harnessed them to

Re: Wired article on Jahn

2005-07-21 Thread orionworks
Hi Jed, I'm probablly getting way OT here but I feel a need to follow-up on one particular line of thought. ... Perhaps a theorist can work with a pencil and paper alone, but in experimental and observational science instruments are the only source of valid information. UFO-ology will

Re: Wired article on Jahn

2005-07-21 Thread Grimer
At 11:30 am 21/07/2005 -0400, Jed wrote: There have been a few instances in which irreproducible but high-sigma CF events occurred. The best examples are the 1985 explosion in Fleischmann and Pon's lab, and Mizuno's 1991 massive heat after death event. Even though these could not be

Grimer's makes unreasonable demands of Mizuno

2005-07-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Grimer wrote: It was a quick reaction just as I had hoped for, but I could no longer ignore the fact that this research was potentially hazardous. = Of course it's bloody hazardous. For a scientist to complain about hazard is like a soldier

Re: Wired article on Jahn

2005-07-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Surely you're not suggesting that our nation's highly sophisticated intelligence gathering instrumentation network (that probably DOES include UFO-cams) has not verified beyond a shadow of doubt that certain kinds of UFOs truly exist? I have no idea. I know next to

Re: Wired article on Jahn

2005-07-21 Thread orionworks
Jed sez: ... Along the same lines, I suppose the highly sophisticated intelligence organizations are busy just now, with this War on Terror in full swing. They probably do not have the resources or the skills to go looking for UFOs. On this point I'm in agreement with you. All the more

Re: Grimer's makes unreasonable demands of Mizuno

2005-07-21 Thread Grimer
At 04:22 pm 21/07/2005 -0400, you wrote: Grimer wrote: It was a quick reaction just as I had hoped for, but I could no longer ignore the fact that this research was potentially hazardous. = Of course it's bloody hazardous. For a scientist to

Re: Wired article on Jahn

2005-07-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: However, if they have not observed them, it would not surprise me, and I would not blame them. The government and the professional astronomers have not observed or cataloged many of the large and potentially dangerous asteroids. . . . I meant to say that I suppose asteroids

Re: Wired article on Jahn

2005-07-21 Thread Grimer
At 05:04 pm 21/07/2005 -0400, Steven wrote: being mistaken for a bunch of ravenous Jihad Loving reptilian messengers spawned from Satan's loins - or several other colorful cultural interpretations many in our population passionately cling to. Careful Stevey - or you'll

You have to make a professional presentation

2005-07-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Christopher Arnold griped when I said FP and Mizuno should have preserved the data better: Respectfully, some people need funding to hire HELP, otherwise they use a pencil and paper. It is not the fault of the discoverer that he ONLY discovered the breakthrough that a hard working

Article on energy in National Geographic

2005-07-21 Thread Edmund Storms
The National Geographic in the August issue has a good article on the energy problem. They even mention cold fusion - A few scientists have claimed that cold fusion, which promises energy from a simple jar instead of a high-tech crucible, might work. The verdict so far: No such luck. The

Re: Wired article on Jahn

2005-07-21 Thread orionworks
Jed sez: I wouldn't know, but perhaps intelligence surveillance equipment is not geared toward detecting UFOs, and perhaps innovative amateur equipment could do a better job. This is mere speculation, but suppose UFOs are common, so the big radars have been programmed to ignore them. After

Remote Viewing

2005-07-21 Thread John Coviello
Jed and Others, Since you were recently discussing Remote Viewing, I thought you might be interested in reading about the U.S. Government's Remote Viewer program that ran for decades called "Stargate". They acheived some remarkable results in this once classified Remote Viewing intelligence

Re: Article on energy in National Geographic

2005-07-21 Thread Standing Bear
On Thursday 21 July 2005 18:29, Edmund Storms wrote: The National Geographic in the August issue has a good article on the energy problem. They even mention cold fusion - A few scientists have claimed that cold fusion, which promises energy from a simple jar instead of a high-tech crucible,

Verdict so far!!

2005-07-21 Thread RC Macaulay
Ed should copyright it!! It's a " natural "sez Jed ! Meanwhile back at the ranch all uz non wizards arre left to speculate, Here goes another one.. The sun !. Ah so . The sun may be a "repeating" station that receives energy in one " form" and transmits it in another. The "another" has

Re: You have to make a professional presentation

2005-07-21 Thread Christopher Arnold
Jed, I agree with you, I must be a sloppy nincompoop. Before I started RV and inventing, I had a jewelry store that just grossed $250K - and I destroyed my income by discovering a new technology and then patenting it myself and used the rest of my life savings building the prototypes and paying