Re: [Vo]: Re:[VO]: MIT Professor Begins Hunger Srike

2007-02-05 Thread Philip Winestone
Rush Limbaugh!! That's who P. At 08:00 PM 2/5/2007 -0600, you wrote: Steve Krivit wrote.. It's not so much that the mind is shut. It's a process of belief systems and the influence of mass media. Howdy Steven, You have the fundamentals .. but ..CF lacks the charismatic person th

[Vo]: Re:[VO]: MIT Professor Begins Hunger Srike

2007-02-05 Thread RC Macaulay
BlankSteve Krivit wrote.. It's not so much that the mind is shut. It's a process of belief systems and the influence of mass media. Howdy Steven, You have the fundamentals .. but ..CF lacks the charismatic person that can sell it. Until that person emerges, it slumbers. An example is Henry Fo

Re: [Vo]: MIT Professor Begins Hunger Strike

2007-02-05 Thread Steven Krivit
At 04:46 PM 2/5/2007, you wrote: After all that's happened, the Science Inquisition is still humming along. I feel bad for the guy, especially as few in the media (correct me if I'm wrong) will go out to bat for him. Hopefully I am wrong. I myself got into, shall we say, an intense conversat

Re: [Vo]: MIT Professor Begins Hunger Strike

2007-02-05 Thread Philip Winestone
After all that's happened, the Science Inquisition is still humming along. I feel bad for the guy, especially as few in the media (correct me if I'm wrong) will go out to bat for him. Hopefully I am wrong. I myself got into, shall we say, an intense conversation today, while at work. I ment

[Vo]: MIT Professor Begins Hunger Strike

2007-02-05 Thread Steven Krivit
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/02/05/national/a151838S67.DTL&feed=rss.news MIT Professor Begins Hunger Strike By DENISE LAVOIE, Associated Press Writer Monday, February 5, 2007 (02-05) 15:18 PST BOSTON, (AP) -- An MIT professor began a hunger strike Monday to protest

Re: [Vo]: Re:[VO]: Fw:{Bob Parks...Feb.2

2007-02-05 Thread Michel Jullian
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/radiance ra·di·ance also ra·di·an·cy n. 1. The quality or state of being radiant. 2. Physics The radiant energy emitted per unit time in a specified direction by a unit area of an emitting surface. Any reason why it couldn't be applied to the surface of the s

RE: [Vo]: Global warming skepticism alive and well (was Re: [Vo]: Fw: [BOBPARKS-...])

2007-02-05 Thread David Thomson
Hi Robin, > >What you are missing is that spending money on reducing unimportant GHG > >emissions could be spent on technology for surviving natural climate > >change. The IPCC is shooting themselves in the head. > > > >Dave > > What you are missing is that the money would be better spent on CF,

RE: [Vo]: Re:[VO]: Fw:{Bob Parks...Feb.2

2007-02-05 Thread David Thomson
Hi Michel, Thank you for your advice, but save your ignorance for someone else. "Black hole" is a "physics term," too, but it is the wrong term for discussing the Sun's output. Do a Google search for -"solar irradiance" "earth radiance"- to see how real physicists use the terms. Dave > -Or

Re: [Vo]: Global warming skepticism alive and well (was Re: [Vo]: Fw: [BOBPARKS-...])

2007-02-05 Thread Harry Veeder
David Thomson wrote: > Hi Michel, > >> What you're missing is that if solar output variations contribute >> significantly to global warming, then humans should redouble efforts to >> reduce GHG emissions. You shoot yourselves in the foot :) > > What you are missing is that spending money on redu

Re: [Vo]: Re:[VO]: Fw:{Bob Parks...Feb.2

2007-02-05 Thread Michel Jullian
> It's irradiance, not radiance. Radiance is a physics term David, don't apologize you couldn't possibly know. Michel - Original Message - From: "David Thomson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 11:14 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]: Re:[VO]: Fw:{Bob Parks...Feb.2 > Hi Rob

RE: [Vo]: Re:[VO]: Fw:{Bob Parks...Feb.2

2007-02-05 Thread David Thomson
Hi Robin, > An increase in Solar radiance may very well be partially to blame, It's irradiance, not radiance. > however I fail to see what that has to do with sun spots. Furthermore sun > spots follow an approximately 11-12 year cycle, and I don't see global > warming doing the same. You wou

Re: [Vo]: Voltage versus field, and the electrophorus

2007-02-05 Thread Michel Jullian
Nice! It's pretty obvious why voltage increases when you think of it as variable gap capacitor with a constant charge, q=C*V, if you lower C by increasing the gap then V necessarily increases. > Does gluing a needle to the small pan make it possible to pull a longer > spark? The answer is yes

Re: [Vo]: Re:[VO]: Fw:{Bob Parks...Feb.2

2007-02-05 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to RC Macaulay's message of Mon, 5 Feb 2007 07:31:09 -0600: Hi, [snip] >BlankDavid Thompson wrote.. >there is no mention of the impending >slaughter of humans. Just 11,500 years ago a seemingly natural climate >change occurred, which wiped out the Wooly Mammoths, Saber Toothed Tigers, >

Re: [Vo]: Global warming skepticism alive and well (was Re: [Vo]: Fw: [BOBPARKS-...])

2007-02-05 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to David Thomson's message of Mon, 5 Feb 2007 07:31:11 -0600: Hi, [snip] >Hi Michel, > >> What you're missing is that if solar output variations contribute >> significantly to global warming, then humans should redouble efforts to >> reduce GHG emissions. You shoot yourselves in the foot

Re: [Vo]: Voltage versus field, and the electrophorus

2007-02-05 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: There's been a little confusion over field strength versus voltage recently on this list. Here's a cool gadget that helps to illustrate the difference. Most likely most readers are already familiar with it, but perhaps it will be new to some. (General description

[Vo]: Voltage versus field, and the electrophorus

2007-02-05 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
There's been a little confusion over field strength versus voltage recently on this list. Here's a cool gadget that helps to illustrate the difference. Most likely most readers are already familiar with it, but perhaps it will be new to some. (General description obtained from "Models for Ex

Re: [Vo]: Fred's Van de Graaff Antics

2007-02-05 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Michael Foster wrote: Stephen A Lawrence wrote: You've said two different things here: "the strength of the field will drop", and "the voltage drops". The dielectric will _certainly_ affect the voltage, just as interposing a charged parallel plate capacitor would affect the voltage (which wo

RE: [Vo]: Fw: [BOBPARKS-WHATSNEW] What's New Friday February 2, 2007

2007-02-05 Thread David Thomson
Hi John, > Ok, I'll bite, where is the evidence that all planets are heating up in the last few years, and by how much? According to NASA, Mars is experiencing global warming Neptune's largest moon, Triton, is also experiencing

[Vo]: Re:[VO]: Fw:{Bob Parks...Feb.2

2007-02-05 Thread RC Macaulay
BlankDavid Thompson wrote.. there is no mention of the impending slaughter of humans. Just 11,500 years ago a seemingly natural climate change occurred, which wiped out the Wooly Mammoths, Saber Toothed Tigers, Giant Ground Sloths, Giant Beavers, and dozens of other species. Howdy Vorts.. Nope,

RE: [Vo]: Global warming skepticism alive and well (was Re: [Vo]: Fw: [BOBPARKS-...])

2007-02-05 Thread David Thomson
Hi Michel, > What you're missing is that if solar output variations contribute > significantly to global warming, then humans should redouble efforts to > reduce GHG emissions. You shoot yourselves in the foot :) What you are missing is that spending money on reducing unimportant GHG emissions co

Re: [Vo]: Fw: [BOBPARKS-WHATSNEW] What's New Friday February 2, 2007

2007-02-05 Thread John Berry
Ok, I'll bite, where is the evidence that all planets are heating up in the last few years, and by how much? And if this is happening isn't it more reason not to make the problem with worse with greenhouse gases? On 2/3/07, David Thomson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2. PARIS: THE IPCC REPORT I

[Vo]: Global warming skepticism alive and well (was Re: [Vo]: Fw: [BOBPARKS-...])

2007-02-05 Thread Michel Jullian
Outside of the US it's hilarious to see how even weather, which used to be the most consensual of topics, has become a political issue there, subject to the same lack of logic and openness as traditional political arguments. What you're missing is that if solar output variations contribute sign