Re: [VO]: Future energy predictions

2007-06-17 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jun 15, 2007, at 8:00 PM, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:18:36 -0800: Hi, [snip] My point was not about ethics at all though, merely that pursuit of nuclear weapons capability is a *stupid* strategy for a country like Iran. But

Re: [VO]: Future energy predictions

2007-06-17 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Sat, 16 Jun 2007 22:22:20 -0800: Hi, [snip] On Jun 15, 2007, at 8:00 PM, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:18:36 -0800: Hi, [snip] My point was not about ethics at all though, merely that

Re: [VO]: Future energy predictions

2007-06-17 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Wesley Bruce's message of Sun, 17 Jun 2007 12:28:07 +1000: Hi, [snip] Good post Robin, I disagree on some points but a good post. We will see. I hope fusion will save the day as you do but its wise to consider the options. A few points: 1. If earth quakes could not dislodge oil and

Re: [VO]: Future energy predictions

2007-06-17 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jun 17, 2007, at 12:30 AM, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Horace if I misread your intentions while reading between the lines, then I apologize. Likewise, if I misread your intentions I apologize too. If people can refrain from fighting one another, then I think a gradual increase in

Re: [Vo]:free ambient energy

2007-06-17 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jun 13, 2007, at 4:14 PM, Paul Lowrance wrote: Some basic facts present standard physics fully understands and accepts: Blackbody radiation: At a room temperature of 297 Kelvin (74.93 F, 23.85 C) both sides of a thin sheet of opaque material radiates 882.4 Watts per square meter.

Re: [Vo]:free ambient energy

2007-06-17 Thread Paul Lowrance
Horace Heffner wrote: On Jun 13, 2007, at 4:14 PM, Paul Lowrance wrote: Some basic facts present standard physics fully understands and accepts: Blackbody radiation: At a room temperature of 297 Kelvin (74.93 F, 23.85 C) both sides of a thin sheet of opaque material radiates 882.4 Watts

Re: [Vo]:A sound way to turn heat into electricity

2007-06-17 Thread Paul Lowrance
Just noticing some real obvious patterns in the alternative energy community. There seems to be a lot of hit run, lol. It has some negative impact, and therefore from here after I would like to have people close the discussion by confirming their error. Stiffler, You said, --- Your idea is

[Vo]:Resubscribed with a new email address + tip to members unable to get through

2007-06-17 Thread Michel Jullian
Dear all, Although I was getting the Vo posts all right, I couldn't post for about a week. My msgs to the list were getting lost in some sort of black hole, without even an undelivered return message. This was due to, as I finally found out thanks to Bill letting me know there had been changes

Re: [Vo]:Resubscribed with a new email address + tip to members unable to get through

2007-06-17 Thread Michel Jullian
It works, except I overlooked one thing, my unsub request for my old address didn't get through of course! So I am now getting the posts twice, Bill could you kindly unsub my old address? Michel - Original Message - From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent:

Re: [Vo]:free ambient energy

2007-06-17 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jun 17, 2007, at 6:28 AM, Paul Lowrance wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: On Jun 13, 2007, at 4:14 PM, Paul Lowrance wrote: Some basic facts present standard physics fully understands and accepts: Blackbody radiation: At a room temperature of 297 Kelvin (74.93 F, 23.85 C) both sides of a

RE: [Vo]:A sound way to turn heat into electricity

2007-06-17 Thread StifflerScientific
I would love to answer, but I think Bill Beaty might be a tad upset with me. Just consider me one of those below average intellect people and ignore what I say and build you device based on your 'almighty correct theory'? -Original Message- From: Paul Lowrance [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Vo]:Resubscribed with a new email address + tip to members unable to get through

2007-06-17 Thread Michel Jullian
(replying on-list as it may interest others with similar problems) Good thing, now I'll be able to talk to you on-list, without relying on your looking up the web archive. Those overzealous spam eating systems are dreadful. BTW Jones, it occurs to me that your using gmail (or something similar

Re: [Vo]:free ambient energy

2007-06-17 Thread Paul Lowrance
Horace Heffner wrote: On Jun 17, 2007, at 6:28 AM, Paul Lowrance wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: On Jun 13, 2007, at 4:14 PM, Paul Lowrance wrote: Some basic facts present standard physics fully understands and accepts: Blackbody radiation: At a room temperature of 297 Kelvin (74.93 F,

[Vo]:diode array recycles ambient heat

2007-06-17 Thread Charles M. Brown
The diode array is progressing. A backer is willing to invest in nanoprototyping. There is some difficulty in that electron beam lithography is slow at ~ 1 / 3 second per 50 nm spot so the prototype will be microscopic with ~ 10,000 diodes. In the future, a stamp pad of millions of electron

Re: [Vo]:free ambient energy

2007-06-17 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jun 17, 2007, at 4:55 PM, Paul Lowrance wrote: Please allow me to enlighten you brother. It is not difficult to build a machine that captures such ambient energy, period! The challenge is in building a machine that can capture significant ambient energy without building a

Re: [Vo]:free ambient energy

2007-06-17 Thread Charles M. Brown
I want many people to be ready with talents, means, and applications in mind to share the great social change of a quick and definitive introduction of cheap, clean, and decentralized energy. I welcome versions of the diode array and its production equipment becoming low cost, thin profit

Re: [Vo]:diode array recycles ambient heat

2007-06-17 Thread Paul Lowrance
Charles M. Brown wrote: The diode array is progressing. A backer is willing to invest in nanoprototyping. There is some difficulty in that electron beam lithography is slow at ~ 1 / 3 second per 50 nm spot so the prototype will be microscopic with ~ 10,000 diodes. In the future, a stamp pad of

Re: [Vo]:free ambient energy

2007-06-17 Thread Paul Lowrance
Horace Heffner wrote: On Jun 17, 2007, at 4:55 PM, Paul Lowrance wrote: Please allow me to enlighten you brother. It is not difficult to build a machine that captures such ambient energy, period! The challenge is in building a machine that can capture significant ambient energy without

Re: [Vo]:free ambient energy

2007-06-17 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jun 17, 2007, at 9:35 PM, Paul Lowrance wrote: Horace, my time here is to spread truth and logic to a dark world. OK, it appears you really aren't here trolling for money then. No offense to readers, but how baffling to date modern so-called society still passively teaches and

Re: [Vo]:free ambient energy

2007-06-17 Thread Paul Lowrance
Charles M. Brown wrote: I want many people to be ready with talents, means, and applications in mind to share the great social change of a quick and definitive introduction of cheap, clean, and decentralized energy. I welcome versions of the diode array and its production equipment becoming