[VO]: Economic models

2007-11-17 Thread R.C.Macaulay
BlankHowdy Vorts, Watching the world financials try to function can give one pause. There is a problem. The world has been operating on model based on a quasi-Keynesian theory of economics since FDR's New Deal of the 1930's. That model served until JFK paid his debt to big labor and LBJ used

Re: [VO]: Economic models

2007-11-17 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
Are you having as good a weekend as I think you are Richard? P. - Original Message From: R.C.Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 8:35:29 AM Subject: [VO]: Economic models Blank BODY {

RE: [VO]: Economic models

2007-11-17 Thread Lawrence de Bivort
Eric Beinhocker examines a new model for economics in THE ORIGIN OF WEALTH: The Radical Remaking of Economics and What It Means for Business and Society. Pretty provocative and it may answer Richard's criterion. Good weekend, all. image001.gif

Re: [VO]: Economic models

2007-11-17 Thread Jones Beene
Well, I ordered the book based on the less than enthusiastic (first) review on the Amazon site. The economic ideas seems rather logical, but perhaps too idealist and remote for use in actual decision making, as opposed to practical solutions to present problems. Speaking of practicality - has

Re: [VO]: Economic models

2007-11-17 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
You don't even have to convert coal to methanol... When you consider how much energy is used by many manufacturing processes, to name but one major energy using sector, converting them from, say natural gas or oil would make a huge dent in overall energy usage. I don't know about North

[Vo]:General Fusion

2007-11-17 Thread DonW
A interesting small company .. From the OTHER side of the Fusion coin -DonW- General Fusion is working on a new, patent pending concept based on a recent development in fusion research called Magnetized Target Fusion (MTF). MTF has been building momentum in the fusion community for a few years

Re: [VO]: Economic models

2007-11-17 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
Jones - Not sure if stone-age is appropriate; don't know if stone-age people justified what they did with pretensions to holiness... Don't get me started... I'm a great fan of minimalism, and to me the methanol conversion process, which includes energy-sucking distillation processes, is no

[Vo]:Garage scientist aims to thwart OPEC

2007-11-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=2785016f-0338-4253-b594-aeee1ca49385k=57937 Garage scientist aims to thwart OPEC Cold fusion would solve world's energy woes. Trouble is no one so far has made it work I think this is plasma fusion. - Jed

Re: [VO]: Economic models -- Kondrateiff peak war

2007-11-17 Thread Taylor J. Smith
Jones wrote: ``... Of course the same process can be taken a step further, to produce methanol on a large scale. Not only are the emissions of this syn-gas plant on Florida well below regulatory limits - it is one of the cleanest coal-based power plants in the world - since the sulfur content of

Re: [Vo]:General Fusion

2007-11-17 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
I read that in the Post this morning. I don't know how viable this is, but I wish Dr. Laberge lots of luck. Seriously. I wrote to the writer of the article, pointing him in the direction of Cold Fusion, if only to make him aware that there's lots of other interesting work going on in the

Re: [Vo]:Garage scientist aims to thwart OPEC

2007-11-17 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
Jed, Yes... when I sent my email to the journalist in question, I was very careful to avoid talking about, or knocking the work, that this chap is doing out in the west of Canada. I don't think it pays to malign other people's work, unless they go over the top and start unreasonably maligning

Re: [VO]: Economic models -- Kondrateiff peak war

2007-11-17 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
Yes the word greed is most appropriate. Oddly enough, when I think about the oil gang and its greed, I don't so much think of the oil companies themselves, who do put money, time and effort into getting the stuff out of the ground and processing it (don't all shout at me at once!!!), I think

Re: [VO]: Economic models

2007-11-17 Thread Nick Palmer
Philip Winestone ranted The main problem, as I believe we all know, is that the green crowd don't want us burning ANYTHING, so the proposal to dig up coal and use if for ANYTHING will be met with fierce resistance, mostly by bigmouths. See the very latest report from the IPCC released a day

RE: [VO]: Economic models -- Kondrateiff peak war

2007-11-17 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
-Original Message- From: R.C.Macaulay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 5:14 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [VO]: Economic models -- Kondrateiff peak war Jack Smith wrote.. Also, push now for commuter rail so we have so way to get around when the

[Vo]:NEW IPCC report was: Economic models

2007-11-17 Thread Nick Palmer
Whether you turn coal into syngas or methanol or whatever, you are still desequestrating fossil carbon. If you think this is a good idea then you don't understand the situation. If you don't understand the situation we are in, it is your duty to humanity to shut up!

Re: [Vo]:NEW IPCC report was: Economic models

2007-11-17 Thread Jones Beene
--- Nick Palmer wrote: Whether you turn coal into syngas or methanol or whatever, you are still desequestrating fossil carbon. That is OK so long as it is net carbon neutral. If you turn biomass into syngas then that solution is carbon neutral. If you turn syngas from coal into electricity

Re: [Vo]:NEW IPCC report was: Economic models

2007-11-17 Thread Edmund Storms
Jones Beene wrote: --- Nick Palmer wrote: Whether you turn coal into syngas or methanol or whatever, you are still desequestrating fossil carbon. That is OK so long as it is net carbon neutral. If you turn biomass into syngas then that solution is carbon neutral. If you turn syngas

[VO]:Brown's Gas Hydrogen to steam

2007-11-17 Thread R.C.Macaulay
BlankLooking at some of the applications for Brown's gas including metal cuttting can excite the imagination considerig the temperature achieved in burning the gas. Could a variation of the Brown's gas be used in steam generation? Thinking out an atomizer type ejector system firing a steady

Re: [Vo]:NEW IPCC report was: Economic models

2007-11-17 Thread Jones Beene
--- Edmund Storms wrote: Actually, using CO2 from burning coal to make biofuel is not carbon neutral unless the resulting biomass is never burned. Well it does substitute for OPEC oil, if that is the bottom line - but if you want to get extremely precise, then you must admit that if biofuel,

Re: [Vo]:NEW IPCC report was: Economic models

2007-11-17 Thread Edmund Storms
Jones Beene wrote: --- Edmund Storms wrote: Actually, using CO2 from burning coal to make biofuel is not carbon neutral unless the resulting biomass is never burned. Well it does substitute for OPEC oil, if that is the bottom line - but if you want to get extremely precise, then you

Re: [VO]:Brown's Gas Hydrogen to steam

2007-11-17 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
Now THAT's interesting... P. - Original Message From: R.C.Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 9:14:58 PM Subject: [VO]:Brown's Gas Hydrogen to steam Blank BODY {

Re: [Vo]:NEW IPCC report was: Economic models

2007-11-17 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
EXACTLY my point of view; buying time for LENR to happen without falling under the curse of OPEC. P. . - Original Message From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 9:33:54 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:NEW IPCC report was: Economic models ---

Re: [Vo]:*******SPEED IS SOLUTION FOR ALL WATER ENERGY PROBLEMS

2007-11-17 Thread thomas malloy
OrionWorks wrote: Newman gives me the impression that he sincerely believes he has created a free energy device. OTOH, I wonder if some of Newman's When one has convinced themselves that god has whispered sacred secrets of the universe in their ear their sense of outrage against everyone else

Re: [VO]: Economic models

2007-11-17 Thread Horace Heffner
On Nov 17, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Nick Palmer wrote: Philip Winestone ranted The main problem, as I believe we all know, is that the green crowd don't want us burning ANYTHING, so the proposal to dig up coal and use if for ANYTHING will be met with fierce resistance, mostly by bigmouths.