Re: [Vo]:Tetrahedral Symmetric Condensate and Cold Fusion

2009-07-12 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 12, 2009, at 7:36 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 08:31 PM 7/12/2009, you wrote: since the normal CR-39 direct-contact chip is solidly damaged in areas in contact, The CR-39 is not damaged when the 6 micron protective film is in place. Also, the "electrolysis damage" and "contact

Re: [Vo]:Another Ring UFO

2009-07-12 Thread John Berry
Problems with this being as claimed: 1. It goes into the clouds and includes being dimly visible so you would need one material to block it and another to attenuate it's brightness. 2. You would need to move the torch with every wiggle of the camera because it stays fixed in the background even th

Re: [Vo]:Tetrahedral Symmetric Condensate and Cold Fusion

2009-07-12 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 12, 2009, at 7:07 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:31:59 -0800: Hi, [snip] produce them. You can do the heat transfer estimate, based on the thermal conductivity of the electrolyte, but I don't think that is necessary, because

Re: [Vo]:Another Ring UFO

2009-07-12 Thread Steven Krivit
It's good. They did a great illusion. I wonder how many takes it took them to get the angles right. A few milliseconds after the "UFO" goes up into the clouds it comes back down for a very brief moment. That would be a flaw in their magic trick.

Re: [Vo]:Tetrahedral Symmetric Condensate and Cold Fusion

2009-07-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:31 PM 7/12/2009, you wrote: since the normal CR-39 direct-contact chip is solidly damaged in areas in contact, The CR-39 is not damaged when the 6 micron protective film is in place. Also, the "electrolysis damage" and "contact damage" arguments were invalidated by control experiments.

Re: [Vo]:Another Ring UFO

2009-07-12 Thread Steven Krivit
This still leaves me wondering how a reflection can become partly obscured by clouds as it rises (about 14.5 seconds into the clip - you have pause-play-pause-play etc. to catch this)? (IOW was the movie fake, or the story?) the flashlight passes behind something that obscures it. but not the

Re: [Vo]:Tetrahedral Symmetric Condensate and Cold Fusion

2009-07-12 Thread mixent
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:31:59 -0800: Hi, [snip] >produce them. You can do the heat transfer estimate, based on the >thermal conductivity of the electrolyte, but I don't think that is >necessary, because the observed tracks and expected (under Takahashi) >

Re: [Vo]:Another Ring UFO

2009-07-12 Thread John Berry
Robin can answer what he did and did not mean, however I have no doubt he saw what I did. The claim is that it is just a reflection in the window of a torch. However as the UFO rises into the clouds it becomes partially obscured. I saw this and then read his comment, so I knew what he was talking

Re: [Vo]:Another Ring UFO

2009-07-12 Thread Terry Blanton
Actually, Robin was questioning the reality of the vid. It was allegedly videoed with a cheap camera and cheaper flashlight reflecting on the kitchen window according to the second reference. Or was it? Only the Shadow People know. Tery On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 7:40 PM, John Berry wrote: >

Re: [Vo]:Tetrahedral Symmetric Condensate and Cold Fusion

2009-07-12 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 12, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: That sounds like the right objection. However, what I haven't seen is estimates of the actual particle counts compared to what would be expected from the generated heat. It's common sense. An experiment producing a watt for two week

Re: [Vo]:Another Ring UFO

2009-07-12 Thread John Berry
The story is fake as Robin points out, the UFO look digital to me but then again some real things can do. (and the best CGI can probably fool anyone) On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:30 AM, wrote: > In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:30:36 -0500: > Hi, > [snip] > > > This sti

Re: [Vo]:Tetrahedral Symmetric Condensate and Cold Fusion

2009-07-12 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jul 12, 2009, at 12:53 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I think the temperature is misleading. What matters is the *relative* energies of the two molecules; if they happen to have low relative energy -- the opposite of what we thought would be needed! --, they are as if at very low tempe

Re: [Vo]:Another mystery: Vyosotskii and biological transmutation.

2009-07-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:39 AM 7/11/2009, you wrote: On Jul 10, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I can understand why biological transmutation makes some people edgy. When I first came across this, I was edgy too. Ah, well, I thought, cold fusion being so widely rejected, the conferences have to be o

Re: [Vo]:ZPE energy extraction

2009-07-12 Thread mixent
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Sun, 12 Jul 2009 10:52:55 -0500: Hi, [snip] >But he provides a video of John Christie of Lutec and his magnetic motor. ...Precisely. He's selling the plans to *someone else's* motor! :) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.h

Re: [Vo]:Unintended ECO-consequences

2009-07-12 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sun, 12 Jul 2009 08:44:50 -0700: Hi, Cars always migrate through the population as they get older. If we introduce a larger percentage of efficient vehicles at the top, then they will eventually filter down. The gas guzzlers will also eventually get taken off

Re: [Vo]:Another Ring UFO

2009-07-12 Thread mixent
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:30:36 -0500: Hi, [snip] This still leaves me wondering how a reflection can become partly obscured by clouds as it rises (about 14.5 seconds into the clip - you have pause-play-pause-play etc. to catch this)? (IOW was the movie fake, or

RE: [Vo]:Tetrahedral Symmetric Condensate and Cold Fusion

2009-07-12 Thread Jones Beene
>The emission of barely detectable amounts of 23.8 MeV alphas from >thin foils or co-deposition experiments is not consistent with the >excess heat observed It is not consistent with anything in the real world (of hot fusion). If you are going to accept the helium which is there, admittedly, as c

[Vo]:Another Ring UFO

2009-07-12 Thread Terry Blanton
Quite a spectacle, especially when it jaunts off into the clouds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdYDrpTXoc0 But is it really what it seems? http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_12805296 "I want to believe." Terry

Re: [Vo]:Tetrahedral Symmetric Condensate and Cold Fusion

2009-07-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Now, this really gets to it! At 12:03 AM 7/11/2009, you wrote: On Jul 10, 2009, at 4:48 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Takahashi's theory ... it seems to me that it predicts most known CF phenomena: 1. No direct neutrons. 2. Surface reaction, since deuterium dissociates on entering the latti

RE: [Vo]:Tetrahedral Symmetric Condensate and Cold Fusion

2009-07-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:35 PM 7/10/2009, you wrote: -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax > So why does Takahashi not mention the words "Bose-Einstein condensate," which is what the TSC seems to be? ... not cold enough ? > And why does Kim not mention Takahashi, his prior experimental work, and h

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-12 Thread OrionWorks
Jed sez: > OrionWorks wrote: > > "Certainly, it is conceivable that Maddox had a few "assistants", > possibly playing their roles passively. But their "sins" are likely to > be more the "sins of omission" . . . > > What I think is far more alarming, perhaps even sinister, is the fact > that years

Re: [Vo]:ZPE energy extraction

2009-07-12 Thread Terry Blanton
But he provides a video of John Christie of Lutec and his magnetic motor. Terry On 7/12/09, David Jonsson wrote: > I saw this thing adverstised in Google Mail. > http://www.magniwork.com/?hop=vince8151 > It is according to the site a generator extracting energy from the ZPE. > > I can not tell

[Vo]:Unintended ECO-consequences

2009-07-12 Thread Jones Beene
The green world is fraught with irony - not the least of which is the relationship between plant growth and CO2 levels. Lets not go there. Please. The unintended consequences problem with the new Volt, being rushed into production, or any electric vehicle is this: will it be used by the purchaser

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks wrote: "Certainly, it is conceivable that Maddox had a few "assistants", possibly playing their roles passively. But their "sins" are likely to be more the "sins of omission" . . . What I think is far more alarming, perhaps even sinister, is the fact that years ago certain financial an

Re: [Vo]:ZPE energy extraction

2009-07-12 Thread Free Energy
Just another SCAM. Why selling plans if they have a device that works? Mark On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 8:14 AM, David Jonsson wrote: > I saw this thing adverstised in Google Mail. > http://www.magniwork.com > It is according to the site a generator extracting energy from the ZPE. > >

RE: [Vo]:New Energy Times

2009-07-12 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Horace Heffner > One solution to a large D+ (m/Q) = 2 peak would be to filter the gas to be tested through palladium, which readily adsorbs ordinary D2 and thus removes it, and then test the residual gas for He, etc. This could have the drawback that dideute

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-12 Thread Edmund Storms
On Jul 12, 2009, at 6:18 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Mauro Lacy wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: I don't know why he didn't run. He didn't ran because he was a scapegoat. Scapegoats don't run, by their very definition. It's always better to blame it all on a "lone

Re: [Vo]:OT: RepRap is ready

2009-07-12 Thread Mauro Lacy
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > Mauro Lacy wrote: > >> Talking about the power of Open Source, what about the same concept but >> applied to material goods? >> >> The first version of RepRap, an almost completely self replicating 3D >> printer, is ready: >> http://reprap.org/bin/view/Main/WebHome >

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-12 Thread Mauro Lacy
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > OrionWorks wrote: > >> >From Mario Lacy: >> >> Edmund Storms wrote: > Come now, let's be realistic. He did not run because he would not > have been safe anywhere in the world. When you damage so many people, > many of whom are very

Re: [Vo]:More From the Steorn Jury

2009-07-12 Thread Mauro Lacy
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > Mauro Lacy wrote: > >> Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: >> >>> I don't know why he didn't run. >>> >> He didn't ran because he was a scapegoat. Scapegoats don't run, by their >> very definition. >> It's always better to blame it all on a "lone shooter", than ac

[Vo]:ZPE energy extraction

2009-07-12 Thread David Jonsson
I saw this thing adverstised in Google Mail. http://www.magniwork.com/?hop=vince8151 It is according to the site a generator extracting energy from the ZPE. I can not tell if it works but I wonder if ZPE extraction works. ZPE is a frequency spectrum and can be used for extraction energy if any of