Re: [Vo]:http://leonardocorp.com/ does not exist

2011-02-03 Thread Peter Gluck
I fully agree with Mark. As Chairman Mao would say- today- we (Vort, CMNS) are only *electronic tigers* for Rossi we can speak and demonstrate that his generator does not work, that he is is working with imaginary companies and so on, but we cannot bite. Peter On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Mark

[Vo]:Faking a Rossi experiment

2011-02-03 Thread Horace Heffner
I wrote: "The Rossi experiment could be faked by chemically generating about 2 kW of energy for 30 minutes, or about 1 kWh, or 3.6 MJ." That should have said: "The Rossi experiment could be faked by chemically generating about 2 kW of *power* for 30 minutes, or about 1 kWh, or 3.6 MJ."

Re: [Vo]:http://leonardocorp.com/ does not exist

2011-02-03 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 3, 2011, at 10:42 PM, Mark Iverson wrote: 1) He doesn't need anything from us, so he doesn't care what we think or want. Frankly, he's wasting his time answering all the questions about instances of "discrepancies" or misinformation. 2) Because he's an engineer, the best way to prove

RE: [Vo]:http://leonardocorp.com/ does not exist

2011-02-03 Thread Mark Iverson
Jed wrote: "If you want people to believe your claims you should provide the kind of information any normal business would provide, such as the address. When you give out only an "info@" address it gives people the impression you are fake." All these kinds of comments are useless and irrelevent

[Vo]:Re: Faking a Rossi experiment

2011-02-03 Thread Horace Heffner
I should of course mention that Ni loaded zeolite in H2 could be Rossi's medium for Pd-H reactions, and that this actually works to create nuclear energy. In fact, my deflation fusion theory papers spell out the advantages of gas loading at high temperature and then reducing temperature to

[Vo]:Re: Faking a Rossi experiment

2011-02-03 Thread Horace Heffner
I should of course mention that Ni loaded zeolite in H2 could be Rossi's medium for Pd-H reactions, and that this actually works to create nuclear energy. In fact, my deflation fusion theory papers spell out the advantages of gas loading at high temperature and then reducing temperature to

[Vo]:Faking a Rossi experiment

2011-02-03 Thread Horace Heffner
The 1 - 1.5 hr duration Rossi demonstration experiment typically involves a preliminary heating phase that produces some steam and water vapor, with elevated heating power supplied, about 1 kW, followed by 30-40 minutes of steam production with 0.40 kW supplied. Supporting background refere

[Vo]:Some personal thoughts pertaining to Rossi

2011-02-03 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
The recent troubling issues pertaining to Rossi brought to light by Jed Rothwell, and subsequently responded to by Vort participants (including me) remind me of a hauntingly similar predicament that I allowed myself to get ensnared in way back in the mid 1990s. At that time, due to my own ignorance

Re: [Vo]:Another response from Rossi

2011-02-03 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 3 Feb 2011 22:48:13 -0500: Hi, [snip] >Maybe it is a sophisticated mind-game, where he makes himself look so much >like what you fear he may be, he convinces you he cannot be that thing. > >It is an enigma. > >- Jed Have you see the movie "A beautiful min

[Vo]:ICCF16 Rossi section

2011-02-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
>From a PDF file just received: 09.30 Inaugural Session : Welcome Speeches Keynote Address : Prof.Robert Duncan Inaugural Address : Mr. S. Banerjee, Chairman, AEC 10.45 Coffee Break 11.10 Session 1 Plenary Session Chairman: Dr. Bikash Sinha 11.10 Ov 01 : M.McKubre :“What is needed in LENR/FPE stud

Re: [Vo]:Another response from Rossi

2011-02-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: No financial backers or investors? > > If this is true, it puts everything in a very different light. > This is the Rossi/Magic 8-ball effect. Ask again later. No, I mean it: Reply hazy, try again Ask again later Better not tell you now One day he will say he say no

Re: [Vo]:Rossi / Forcardi and DOE / DOD

2011-02-03 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message > From: Terry Blanton > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 10:10:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi / Forcardi and DOE / DOD > > On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: > > > Perhaps he is still getting assistance from DOD or DOE > > >

Re: [Vo]:Another response from Rossi

2011-02-03 Thread Terry Blanton
Houdini designed all his tricks, too. T

Re: [Vo]:Rossi / Forcardi and DOE / DOD

2011-02-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: > Perhaps he is still getting assistance from DOD or DOE Well, he hasn't asked for any $$, now has he? T

Re: [Vo]:Another response from Rossi

2011-02-03 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Did everybody catch this? On 02/03/2011 06:49 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: [Rossi wrote:] > > WHAT I HAVE TO DO FOR YOU ALL IS A PLANT, AND YOU CANNOT ASK ME TO > WORK 20 HOURS PER DAY (SPENDING, BY THE WAY, ALL MY MONEY, BECAUSE > NOBODY IS FINANCING ME) No financial backers or investors? If this i

[Vo]:Rossi / Forcardi and DOE / DOD

2011-02-03 Thread Harry Veeder
  From Rossi and Focardi paper   http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=62   "It is remarkable that similar results have been obained in the factory of EON in Bondeno (Ferrara, Italy) in a test performed with ENEL (spa) on June, 25th 2009 and in another sery of tests made in Bedford, New Hamp

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: > Even with a megawatt, assuming there is power input some questions need to > be addressed and a professional report has to be written, or the results > will not convince people. Done properly, it will convince everyone. > And let me add that I think any professional engineer could tak

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Rothwell was trying to tell him how to involve investors, so that he'd have > the money to hire help, arrange for manufacturing, etc. He wants to do it > his way, again, that's his privilege. I have been telling him that *politely*, I might add, for about a year. I bl

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:13 PM 2/3/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: {quoting Rossi] 3. About your suppositions, I will make no more tests on modulbecause it is clear that people like you will also find something wrong. It's all Rothwell's fault that Rossi will disappear, no more demonstrations? Wait until october, yo

[Vo]:Rossi corrects website and company name

2011-02-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Rossi confirmed this is the correct website for the U.S. company that will manufacture the devices: http://leonardocorp1996.com/ This is in Bedford, NH. I gather they are manufacturing in Florida. Maybe. I have heard from other people connected to the Leonardo Co. and . . . ummm . . . Let me just

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Can you name *one* person who made what turned out to be a breakthrough in > physics, and who was known to be unreliable and dishonest, *and* who had *no > formal training* in the field? > Davy, especially in his later years and his treatment of Faraday. In technology,

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Terry Blanton
I did a research on Defkalion energy. It seems that the company is located in number 3, Xenofondos street, in Halandri, Athens. A few days ago, I emailed stsalikog...@gmail.com Defkalion Energy Defkalion thanks you for your interest in the Energy Catalyzer regarding licensince, sales and marketing

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Terry Blanton
? http://gr.linkedin.com/in/stavrostsalikoglou

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Terry Blanton
Nice apartment. Wonder who lives there? T On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > Florida Profit Corporation > LEONARDO CORPORATION > Filing Information > Document Number P1091220 > FEI/EIN Number  NONE > Date Filed      11/08/2010 > State   FL > Status  ACTIVE > Principal Ad

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Terry Blanton
Florida Profit Corporation LEONARDO CORPORATION Filing Information Document Number P1091220 FEI/EIN Number NONE Date Filed 11/08/2010 State FL Status ACTIVE Principal Address 1331 LINCOLN RD., APT 505 MIAMI BEACH FL 33139 Mailing Address 1331 LINCOLN RD., APT 505 MIAMI BEACH FL 33139 R

[Vo]:Another response from Rossi

2011-02-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
[It seems I got the rise out of him. Perhaps he resembles a mule, in that all successful communications with him begin with a whack on the head with a two-by-four.] Dear Jed, Please find my answers along your text: On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 17:02:24 -0500, Jed Rothwell wrote: You completely misun

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Terry Blanton
Domain name: leonardocorp1996.com Registrant Contact: Andrea Rossi () Fax: Via Carlo Ragazzi 28 Bondeno, Ferrara 44012 IT Administrative Contact: Andrea Rossi (i...@leonardocorp1996.com) +39.0532897038 Fax: +. Via Carlo Ragazzi 28 Bondeno, Ferrara 44012 IT Technical Contact: Andrea Rossi (i.

[Vo]:Hilarious Image - Rossi's attitude

2011-02-03 Thread Jones Beene
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.esowatch.com/ge/index.php%3Ftitle%3DFocardi-Rossi-Energiekatalysator&ei=qTZLTaDhLYaosAOxvIGRCg&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CFkQ7gEwCA&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522EON%2BSRL%2522%2BLeonardo%2BRossi%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Divnso

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 02/03/2011 05:39 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: > from Rossi's blog > http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360#comments > > DEFKALION Energy Group > February 3rd, 2011 at 6:28 AM > On behalf of Defkalion, we w?uld like to clarify the following: > The full name of Defkalion comapny is: Def

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: loud! -- while assuming other people will not notice these things, it is impossible not to entertain profound uneasiness about the claims. Understated, Jed. Darn right it's understated. I bit my tongue. I have been biting it for a year. You can see the scars. I

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 02/03/2011 05:13 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Ideally, it remains our hope that personality flaws won't adversely influence the alleged authenticity of extraordinary scientific evidence collected by said "personality". And yet, here we are,

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Jones Beene
At the EON plant in Italy, where one test was said to take place, there are at least a dozen cars in the lot - so it is a real factory Google maps: EON Bondeno Ferrara, Italy http://leonardocorp1996.com/index_eng.htm Interesting ... vegetable powered GENSET Partnered with EON of Italy. Now

[Vo]:http://leonardocorp.com/ does not exist

2011-02-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
[Here is a message to Rossi and Stirling Allen. I am trying my best to accept that Rossi does not understand ordinary business procedures and that it has not occurred to him that providing an "info@" e-mail address proves nothing.] Rossi wrote: "1- Leonardo Corp exists and it is sound. It is

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Harry Veeder
from Rossi's blog http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360#comments   DEFKALION Energy Group February 3rd, 2011 at 6:28 AM On behalf of Defkalion, we wοuld like to clarify the following: The full name of Defkalion comapny is: Defkalion Green Technologies S.A. registered in Athens Greece.

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Harry Veeder
Is this the correct Leonardo Corp? http://leonardocorp1996.com/ harry

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Jones Beene
http://leonardocorp1996.com/index_eng.htm Interesting ... vegetable power

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Ideally, it remains our hope that personality flaws won't adversely influence the alleged authenticity of extraordinary scientific evidence collected by said "personality". And yet, here we are, seemingly unable to avoid participating in the very mess we dete

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 02/03/2011 03:39 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > History is full of genius inventors who were unreliable, unstable or > dishonest people. Can you name *one* person who made what turned out to be a breakthrough in physics, and who was known to be unreliable and dishonest, /and/ who had *no formal t

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 02/03/2011 03:04 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > I do not think we should judge the results of a test based on the > personal integrity of the person doing the experiment, especially when > the people actually conducting the test are legitimate university > professors using their own instruments.

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From: S. Krivit's NET Installment #31 http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/36/3616ideologies.shtml 16. Cold Fusion Versus LENR: Competing Ideologies Paragraph excerpt: > In January 2010, Melich and his second wife, Marianne Macy, > who writes for Infinite Energy magazine, began producing > d

Re: [Vo]:Does the diproton solve the neutrino problem?

2011-02-03 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 3 Feb 2011 12:19:22 -0800: Hi, [snip] >due to the intense gamma radiation >instigating 'reinflation'. [snip] ...and what intense gamma radiation would that be? Most of the gammas created in the core degrade into heat long before they reach the surface, le

Re: [Vo]:Does the diproton solve the neutrino problem?

2011-02-03 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 3 Feb 2011 12:19:22 -0800: Hi, [snip] >Until 1939, nobody knew how fusion might proceed in the sun because the most >obvious reaction in dense hydrogen plasmas would be two protons going to >helium-2, which as it turns out would be unstable due to Pauli ex

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
I have known about these problems for some time. Some people investigating this situation urged me to keep quiet a little longer while they investigated. I am not Steve Krivit, and I have never felt it is my role to investigate the private lives or credibility of cold fusion researchers. I neve

[Vo]:Does the diproton solve the neutrino problem?

2011-02-03 Thread Jones Beene
Resend: vortex apparently lost the original post. Until 1939, nobody knew how fusion might proceed in the sun because the most obvious reaction in dense hydrogen plasmas would be two protons going to helium-2, which as it turns out would be unstable due to Pauli exclusion - thus immediately dissoc

[Vo]:Defkalion Energy has no knowledge of Rossi, and Leonardo Company is defunct

2011-02-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Rossi claims that he is being funded by the Defkalion Energy of Athens, Greece. On his blog, someone with the e-mail address stsalikog...@gmail.com says he is the contact at Defkalion Energy. He says his devices are being manufactured by the Leonardo Company of Florida. I did some elementary b

[Vo]:Yahoo Q & A concerning flux capacitor

2011-02-03 Thread Harvey Norris
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AkWkPGw93RcQtfis81znZ8nIDH1G;_ylv=3?qid=20110203085632AAi0ftc When I try to disable my flux capacitor by removing the central electrode, why does it keep working? 2009 Flux Capacitor Model E X B embodiments on separately phased resonances The Flux Capac

[Vo]:Casimir effect, a bedtime story

2011-02-03 Thread Roarty, Francis X
The exclusion of vacuum fluctuations and resulting change in energy density inside a Casimir cavity is the basis for several classes of proposed energy extraction which are compared in a paper by Professor Garret Moddel dated 30 October 2009 "Assessment of proposed electromagnetic quantum vacu