Re: [Vo]:Where's Dr. Park?

2011-02-15 Thread Peter Gluck
Who is afraid of big bad Dr.Park? Let him tell what he wishes, his reputation will suffer anyway if Rossi and- especially Mills will perform their "great" demonstrations. As regarding Rossi's bad PR he is just following Pitigrilli's "Do not give me advices, I can err myself" The lack of a theory i

Re: [Vo]:Economic Reality setting in

2011-02-15 Thread Roarty, Francis X
On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:07 Jed Rothwell wrote [snip] I think Rossi said there are two mystery elements added to Ni, presumably in small amounts. Brian Ahern and I suspect one of them is Pd. [/snip] Pd nano powder does sound like a good candidate. Grain size may be important to backfill the pack

Re: [Vo]:Where's Dr. Park?

2011-02-15 Thread Terry Blanton
Silence gives consent. Park has inside knowledge and Rossi is only speaking of non-military applications. T

Re: [Vo]:Economic Reality setting in

2011-02-15 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 15, 2011, at 10:33 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 02/15/2011 02:22 PM, Horace Heffner wrote: Another interesting quote: "Please, what do you mean, in this case when you say “power density”? If you mean which volume is necessary per kW of power, I can say about 5 liters per kW, jus

Re: [Vo]:BLP Presentation

2011-02-15 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Jed sez: > Brian Ahern says it seem Rossi has put the fear of God > into Mills. Mills put out a "me too!" paper with dozens > of viewgraphs mainly ones showing that if he would, he > could build a a big energy generating system too, and by > golly it might be as good -- or maybe lots better! -- th

RE: [Vo]:BLP Presentation

2011-02-15 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell * Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep. Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man; But will they come when you do call for them? Ha ! You left out the most important part (by way of an analogy to Mills, or Rossi) Glendower: Why, I can teach you, cou

RE: [Vo]:Economic Reality setting in

2011-02-15 Thread Jones Beene
In the FWIW department >"In the cell there are several grams of Ni" >"With 1 gram of Ni the average real production of energy is around >100 kWh" Ok if the value of that energy is about $5.00 to the power plant operator (the grid operator gets the rest) and the value of nickel is $ 13 pound tod

Re: [Vo]:BLP Presentation

2011-02-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: The "Fuel Cell and Hydrogen Energy Expo" is ongoing in Md near DC. Randell Mills > presented yesterday. > Is there a copy of his presentation anywhere? Brian Ahern says it seem Rossi has put the fear of God into Mills. Mills put out a "me too!" paper with dozens of viewgraph

Re: [Vo]:Economic Reality setting in

2011-02-15 Thread mixent
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:22:59 -0900: Hi, [snip] >Rossi said there were several grams of Ni. > >"In the cell there are several grams of Ni" >"With 1 gram of Ni the average real production of energy is around >100 kWh“ > >(http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.c

Re: [Vo]:Where's Dr. Park?

2011-02-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck wrote: I wrote him Saturday and have asked him directly why he ignores > that event. Nix answer yet. > Don't provoke him. Better he should ignore this. Rossi himself produces loads of bad PR and confusion about his own work. We don't need Park doing that. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Economic Reality setting in

2011-02-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > OK, well and good. But you named a specific figure, saying it "can > easily go above 400 deg C". I wondered if that was based on speculation > and Rossi's imprecise assertions about the internal temperature of the > device, or it if was based on something specific.

Re: [Vo]:Economic Reality setting in

2011-02-15 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 02/15/2011 02:22 PM, Horace Heffner wrote: > > Another interesting quote: "Please, what do you mean, in this case > when you say “power density”? If you mean which volume is necessary > per kW of power, I can say about 5 liters per kW, just for the thermal > power." Eh?? For 12 kW that would

[Vo]:BLP Presentation

2011-02-15 Thread Jones Beene
The "Fuel Cell and Hydrogen Energy Expo" is ongoing in Md near DC. Randell Mills presented yesterday. Must have been a yawner . I thought it would at least turn up on google News. There was some heavy competition for News coverage and several dozen stories, but no one bothered to mention BLP. Bl

Re: [Vo]:Economic Reality setting in

2011-02-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua Cude wrote: > The steam has not been pressurized as far as I know. > > > Unless there is significant water content in the expelled steam, the > pressure doesn't matter, or have you forgotten your grade 11 phase diagram > again? > In real life, I have never heard of a steam turbine or oth

Re: [Vo]:Economic Reality setting in

2011-02-15 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 02/15/2011 10:07 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > >> Has there been a demonstration with it producing 400 C steam? Do you >> know who witnessed it? > > The steam has not been pressurized as far as I know. However, the > internal temperature of the machine is reportedly w

Re: [Vo]:Economic Reality setting in

2011-02-15 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 15, 2011, at 6:07 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Has there been a demonstration with it producing 400 C steam? Do you know who witnessed it? The steam has not been pressurized as far as I know. However, the internal temperature of the machine is reportedly well

Re: [Vo]:Economic Reality setting in

2011-02-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner wrote: > How sure are you it is finely divided nickel? Didn't Rossi say the > material only had a gram of Ni? > The patent says nickel powder. I think Rossi said there are two mystery elements added to Ni, presumably in small amounts. Brian Ahern and I suspect one of them is Pd.

Re: [Vo]:Economic Reality setting in

2011-02-15 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 15, 2011, at 6:07 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Has there been a demonstration with it producing 400 C steam? Do you know who witnessed it? The steam has not been pressurized as far as I know. However, the internal temperature of the machine is reportedly well

Re: [Vo]:Economic Reality setting in

2011-02-15 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > > Has there been a demonstration with it producing 400 C steam? Do you >> know who witnessed it? >> > > The steam has not been pressurized as far as I know. Unless there is significant water content in the exp

Re: [Vo]:Where's Dr. Park?

2011-02-15 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj sez: > A month has gone by since the Rossi-Focardi event transpired, and Dr. > Park continues to remain silent. Nothing pertinent has been mentioned > in his "What's New" weekly rant. I find it impossible to believe that > Dr. Park has not heard of the proceedings. Therefore, it seems to me >

Re: [Vo]:Where's Dr. Park?

2011-02-15 Thread Peter Gluck
I wrote him Saturday and have asked him directly why he ignores that event. Nix answer yet. Peter On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:45 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson < svj.orionwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > A month has gone by since the Rossi-Focardi event transpired, and Dr. > Park continues to remain si

[Vo]:Where's Dr. Park?

2011-02-15 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
A month has gone by since the Rossi-Focardi event transpired, and Dr. Park continues to remain silent. Nothing pertinent has been mentioned in his "What's New" weekly rant. I find it impossible to believe that Dr. Park has not heard of the proceedings. Therefore, it seems to me that his continued s

Re: [Vo]:Economic Reality setting in

2011-02-15 Thread Peter Gluck
180-220 deg C steam will be perfectly OK- at high pressure 10-16 bar. Overheated steam is not economical. Peter On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > > Has there been a demonstration with it producing 400 C steam? Do you >> know who witnessed it? >

Re: [Vo]:Economic Reality setting in

2011-02-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Has there been a demonstration with it producing 400 C steam? Do you know who witnessed it? The steam has not been pressurized as far as I know. However, the internal temperature of the machine is reportedly well above 100 deg C. That stands to reason. Even with t