Good question Peter. I have asked a number of questions on the DGT forum in
the past but they do not answer consistently. The Vortex has a number of
excellent members with a great deal of knowledge about many subjects. A
question such as the ones that I have presented are much more likely to
"The question illuminates, not the answer" (Eugene Ionesco)
Why you are not asking on the DGT forum?
Peter
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 5:15 AM, David Roberson wrote:
> I have always assumed that the heating elements within the Rossi ECAT are
> using AC. The frequency of the current is assumed to be
Mark,
You are welcome, it is actually fun. Hopefully I don't say too silly things.
My field is gravitational waves so I'm rusty in atomic, nuclear physics but
this is an opportunity to review/learn interesting physics.
But away WL theory sound pretty sound to me so far.
Anybody knows of any serious
Gigi,
The criticism in the link you gave doesn't seem very strong to me. The main
point was that the fields involved are two strong to be realistic. I maybe
missing something but the field density implied in the paper is about 1
electron per Bohr atom. It is true that to have such density in throug
Giovanni/Daniel:
I just want to thank you both for taking time to analyze carefully the W-L
paper.
We could use more theoretical types in the 'Collective'.
-Mark
From: Giovanni Santostasi [mailto:gsantost...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 5:06 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject:
As someone who has watched Vortex since last February, I agree with your
assessment that many on Vortex have raised valid objections to many of Rossi's
demos and his business strategy. I would certainly not characterize the vortex
as a Rossi investor clubhouse, far from it. And of course becaus
So MaryYugo was still using HIS female-sounding pseudonym instead of HIS
real name???
HE must think we're really stupid. is HE not aware of the fact that HIS
identity has been clearly established???
Randy, send me HIS response and I'll look it over.
-Mark
From: Randy Wuller [mailto:rwul
I have always assumed that the heating elements within the Rossi ECAT are using
AC. The frequency of the current is assumed to be 60 or 50 hertz, but I do not
recall anyone measuring it. One interesting possibility to consider is that
the large AC magnetic field associated with this current c
To place any sort of mailing list purge in the same context as the
purge of rational scientific discourse that occurred within 40 days
and 40 nights of the cold fusion announcement by Fleischmann and Pons
is making a galaxy out of a mole hill.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
>
Why does everyone assume the heater elements use DC? A transformer would be
the easiest way to adjust the voltage or current to larger rms values and
would explain the isolation transformer. The blue control box then might
simply gate this AC power through the transformer for longer or shorter
dura
Randy, i respect your wish to see george response published here, however
unlike the vortex, george is not banned from the internet as far as i know.
So i don't really see the point for him to request that you become his voice,
unless being a lawyer makes you the perfect target for a proxy to ta
Ok,
Daniel you are right.
The order of magnitude of a field at the Bohr radius from a proton is 10^11
V/m. It seems also that the interpretation of the paper describes this
situation where the electron sphere is the size of an average atom. I
misunderstood what the paper was discussing.
Gigi, did y
Well, 10^11 - 10^12 seems to be the right order of magnitude for the
electric field to trap a surface electron. At the classical proton radius,
~2fm, it should be around 10^(~-22)V/M.
2012/1/31 Giovanni Santostasi
> Ok, let me read the paper and reply. I need to understand it better. But
> what
Ok, let me read the paper and reply. I need to understand it better. But
what I said before it is right in terms of using 25) to define a. To make
sense of the numbers then a has to be on the order of a nucleus.
Giovanni
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
> Absorption, in WL,
Absorption, in WL, happens because of a mysterious collective oscillation
of surface plasmons which cause some of the electrons to be tunnel into a
proton, it's like thousands of plasmons together pushing 1 electron inside
a 1 proton. The order of magnitude of plasmons is bound by the
workfunction,
Hi Brad
Ive been able to purchase most of the instruments to do my own experiments on
Ni H Because (as usual) money is tight , Im struggling to find a reasonable
priced "Element" thatproduces 400 to 600 C , has hot zone of 100 mm and
can handle a very high psi
Can you recomend any p
We can analyze the paper together, but what is discussed in that section is
what happens when an electron is absorbed inside a proton. The proton would
oscillate because of the presence of the electric field distributed over
the volume of the proton. So the relevant scale is the size of a proton.
for srivastava paper, equation (25) is not clear about a value
but for the 2006 w-l papers (25) they preted a value of a which does nor
match the result...
a=50nm (about bohr radius), but the computation seemes to use around a
femtometer (proton size).
anyway now all the papers, seems coherent if
NO, for goodness sake!
2012/1/31 Randy Wuller
> **
> Jed:
>
> This post prompted a reply from Maryugo. Since MY is banned here and at
> the Defkalion site and since I converse with MY (by email) occasionally,
> she sent me her reply to Bill Beaty which I presume he received and did not
> elect
Well, the electric field makes sense if that 10^12V/m has the size of an
atom bohr, not of a proton. Just scale that field for that of bohr atom,
r~5*10^-11m, which gives 2V/bohr atom. That's not far away from a typical
working function of a metal.
2012/1/31 Giovanni Santostasi
> I have a PhD in
Some excitant caused a temperature spike, and a temperature based
excitation would be very gradual and not quenched.
This leads to the assumption that the excitant is fast acting an easily
quenched; one that can be turned off and on quickly.
The excitant most probably is a electrical based one,
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
> Mine too, and now ... the real reason for this inquiry - why do you need
> one?
You normally use an isolation transformer to avoid earthing the load.
That way you avoid ground loops.
Why they use it could be as you surmise; but, variacs are f
Mine too, and now ... the real reason for this inquiry - why do you need
one?
Coincidentally, as you mentioned in the preceding message, they claim NOT to
use an RFG.
Which technically does not mean they do not have a fair amount of RF noise
in the reactor, does it? It means only that they have
I have a PhD in Physics even if this is not my field, I'm trying to learn
more about it. But usually I can read most physics papers and understand
their main content.
I will read the paper more carefully but it seems that they are describing
in section 3, the harmonic motion of a proton that is im
They are using a about the size of a proton not the Bohr radius.
That seems correct.
Giovanni
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Alain Sepeda wrote:
>
> can someone contact a physicist that could check, and even maybe the
> author.
> maybe is there a typo in the formulas,
> is it corrected in a n
What about a sequel called "the Agonists" ... a documentary about the drama
of ditto-skepticism on the vortex forum... up to the infamous "Purge of
2012" ...
"Agony" being the operative word and 'Agonism' being the political doctrine
of embracing conflict and acknowledging the positive value of in
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
> At 1:23 in the DGT video - there is seen a blue and yellow block on the
> floor with wires going to the variac. What is it?
An isolation (1:1) transformer is my guess.
T
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
> The purpose of this DGT experiment may well be to see how responsively the
> NiH reaction can follow adjustments in the frequency generators output in
> terms of increased frequency output.
But, they claim they use no RFG and none was evident i
Jed:
This post prompted a reply from Maryugo. Since MY is banned here and at the
Defkalion site and since I converse with MY (by email) occasionally, she sent
me her reply to Bill Beaty which I presume he received and did not elect to
post. She has requested that I post her reply and I hesita
can someone contact a physicist that could check, and even maybe the author.
maybe is there a typo in the formulas,
is it corrected in a newer version?
i confirm the computation
beware of the cm unit instead of meter... I find 76V/m anyway.
the ratio of the mistake seems to be 9*10^9...
maybe on
Who run the Defkalion SA?
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Former Chairman of State Bank ETVA (Greek Bank of Industrial
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At 1:23 in the DGT video - there is seen a blue and yellow block on the
floor with wires going to the variac. What is it?
In the context of the theory we are discussing and as a speculation, the
temperature of the proton pairs is directly proportional to the rate of
fusion with nickel.
Accordingly, the temperature (Brownian vibration frequency) of the proton
pairs can be adjusted using an increased (higher) frequen
>From the forum, here is a document in Greek:
http://www.metaphysics.gr/metaforum/viewtopic.php?t=675&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=10
Google does a good translation.
- Jed
At the denouement of the recent kerfuffle here, Bill Beaty wrote a message
to Mary Yugo that described the situation perfectly. It is a sort of pocket
history of the cold fusion dispute. A haiku history, if you will. It was
quoted in the Defkalion forum. It is here:
http://www.mail-archive.com/vor
How would you explain the double pulse in the DGT video?
T
A few more items if you please…
Rossi said that once his reaction was going out of control, Levi injected
Nitrogen to stop the reaction. Piantelli used deuterium and later Nitrogen.
I think Argon will serve this function as well.
The reason these gases will stop the reaction is because they s
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eep down on the bottom of the Baltic Sea, Swedish treasure hunters
think they have made the find of a lifetime. The problem is, they're
not exactly sure what it is they've uncovered. Out searching for
shipwrecks
Wow, this is a provocative paper Axil - but can it be relevant to Ni-H,
given the energies involved?
The paper we are discussing indicates to me that superconductive processes
exist even at many millions of degrees in temperature. IOW, Quantum
mechanical tunneling can exist in super-hot places.
Jones,
I still share some of Piantelli's fear of oxidizing the reactants
instead of oscillating back and forth between molecular and atomic forms of
hydrogen like Moller and Lyne proscribe. I can understand that other endless
reactions including oxygen may be possible that still harnes
CERN used to store preprint like the arxiv. Not anymore, as far as I know.
These are one of these old files. Nothing new too see here...
2012/1/31 Harry Veeder
> searching "LENR" on the CERN website
>
>
> http://cernsearch.web.cern.ch/cernsearch/Default.aspx?query=LENR&collections=WebPages|Peop
searching "LENR" on the CERN website
http://cernsearch.web.cern.ch/cernsearch/Default.aspx?query=LENR&collections=WebPages|People|CDS|Indico|TwikiPages
Harry
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Let me address one issue that is muddled from prior posting - the
significance of 18O ... (should it turn up in analysis) since the verbal
description was a bit confused (my apology as I get up very early and it
takes a while for the caffeine to take effect).
* This is one more detail where
I mean 50V/(bohr radius)
2012/1/31 Daniel Rocha
> Right, the unit they are using is V/m, bohr darius is ~ 1/2*10^-10m. That
> gives ~50V for the bohr radius. The ionization energy for the H atom is
> 13.6V. But I think the value you cited is a bit smaller.
>
>
> 2012/1/31 Gigi DiMarco
>
>> I'v
Right, the unit they are using is V/m, bohr darius is ~ 1/2*10^-10m. That
gives ~50V for the bohr radius. The ionization energy for the H atom is
13.6V. But I think the value you cited is a bit smaller.
2012/1/31 Gigi DiMarco
> I've a problem with the W&L theory. I read carefully their publishe
I've a problem with the W&L theory. I read carefully their published paper
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/library/2006/2006Widom-UltraLowMomentumNeutronCatalyzed.pdf
and I found what seems to me to be a major flaw.
I'm sure I'm totally wrong but I would ask you to check.
It is only arithmetics, no
This is annoying stuff. Years ago I would have tried to answer him but I am
so tired of this nonsense I will not.
This is particularly annoying:
"Re the waste water running down the drain – all nuclear processes create a
long chain of isotopes, many of which have to be unstable and hence
radioact
Hi Vortex,
as it seems, Ian Bryce got hold of the possiblities of the Internet and
tries to spread his word... He makes appearances in some of the
Ecat-News-Site's comment sections as well as, e.g., on the Defkalion forum.
To be honest - i am a little bit surprised by the effort that he puts
i
"The Antagonists" is a better-directed epithet. Although "pseudo-skeptics"
does capture an important dimension of the crime against humanity, it
doesn't get as close to the heart of the matter. Perhaps a phrase
involving "establishment" would be even better. "The Inquisitors" might be
better tha
Wow, this is a provocative paper Axil - but can it be relevant to Ni-H,
given the energies involved?
That is the $64 question. In short, do oxygen atoms accelerated to 10s of
MeV indicate that anything similar will happen when 10 million times less
energy is employed, such as in LENR?
In this p
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Chemical Engineer wrote:
> So Ni micropowder mixed with a dielectric micropowder, hydrogen and argon
> mixture under elevated pressure and temperature and a Champion spark plug...
Plus, possibly, potassium. (And alliteration and assonance.)
T
So Ni micropowder mixed with a dielectric micropowder, hydrogen and argon
mixture under elevated pressure and temperature and a Champion spark plug...
I think i saw a big old ground wire connected to the reactor to prevent a
shocking discovery
On Monday, January 30, 2012, Axil Axil wrote:
>
> Ni
You should not hold the champagne. Rossi said that once his reaction was
going out of control and Levi, I think it was him, injected Nitrogen to
stop the reaction. So, I don't think this is exclusive to Argon, rather, it
is by cutting off H and substituting it for something else.
2012/1/31 ecat bu
Why do entangled proton pairs pass through the coulomb barrier of a heavy
element nucleus with high probability in collisions with energies well
below those required to breach this barrier?
This curiosity has been observed is heavy low energy ion collision studies.
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1101.139
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