Re: [Vo]:Mills Hyrdrino project (was :about Triumph Management (and LENR))

I must not understand the hydrino concept very well Robin. I thought that the hydrinos formed by releasing energy into some other catalyst. Is this in error? Why do you mention a cost of 4000 eV per hydrino? How is that number derived? Dave -Original Message- From: mixent To: vor

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 10:31 PM, David Roberson wrote: > > That is the main reason that I do not believe that the process you > outline is valid. The W&L theory looks like a free lunch to me. > I think everyone wants a free lunch. Proton people want to lower the Coulomb barrier for free and n

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

Robin, I would think the velocity of the proton of the same energy as compared to an electron would be the square root of 2000 or 45 times slower due to the velocity squared relationship. Now, if the proton slows down much faster than the electron then the deceleration would be a lot greater.

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

"63mNi" and "65mNi" are excited isomers of the two respective isotopes. See "The NUBASE evaluation of nuclear and decay properties" at: http://www.nndc.bnl.gov/amdc/nubase/Nubase2003.pdf Pages 6-9 describe isomer definitions. Pages 42-43 include excitation energies and half-lives for both of the

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mills Hyrdrino project (was :about Triumph Management (and LENR))

On June 06, 2012 JOjo said " It seems to me that the first step is to prove your theory with a relatively cheap "Hydrino Generator". I disagree, based on Jan Naudts explanation of the hydrino you need a "relativity" cheap hydrino maker :_) Fran -Original Message- From: Jojo Jaro [

Re: [Vo]:discussion about RELIABILITY in LENR

I wrote: Two questions: > >- Do we have solid evidence that there is a dynamic NAE rather than a >static one? Or is the evidence just barely above noise at this point? >- If there is no clear evidence yet, is there a clever experiment that >could settle this question for at least

Re: [Vo]:Mills Hyrdrino project (was :about Triumph Management (and LENR))

In reply to Jojo Jaro's message of Wed, 6 Jun 2012 13:40:47 +0800: Hi, [snip] >Have you come up with a way to produce these hydrinos cheaply (in terms of >energy.)? > >It seems to me that the first step is to prove your theory with a relatively >cheap "Hydrino Generator". I guess once you are a

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

Good point, David I should have checked that first. Unless huge amounts of Ni63 are created, it would not be useful. Perhaps, the Ni65 is viable since its half-life is 2.5 hours. The webpage at - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel-68m2#Nickel-68m2 - references 63mNi and 65mNi. I cannot determine

Re: [Vo]:discussion about RELIABILITY in LENR

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Of the 33 cells, 12 were showing no anomalous heat, and no anomalous helium > was detected. 18 showed heat, and, from them, helium was detected within an > order of magnitude of the helium expected from d -> He-4. The more heat, > the more

Re: [Vo]:Mills Hyrdrino project (was :about Triumph Management (and LENR))

Have you come up with a way to produce these hydrinos cheaply (in terms of energy.)? It seems to me that the first step is to prove your theory with a relatively cheap "Hydrino Generator". I guess once you are able to create copious amounts of hydrinos, it would be a simple thing to produce p

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 6 Jun 2012 01:31:12 -0400 (EDT): Hi Dave, [snip] Actually I agree. I was just playing Devil's advocate a little. > >Actually I am far from convinced that the W&L theory is sound. Everything >that I have seen thus far suggests that neutrons decay int

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 6 Jun 2012 01:12:10 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] > >I have long wondered whether or not protons generate bremsstrahlung radiation >in the same manner as electrons. It seems that the charge is responsible for >the radiation and not the mass unless you are

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

Actually I am far from convinced that the W&L theory is sound. Everything that I have seen thus far suggests that neutrons decay into protons, electrons and neutrinos but that the chance of a reversal is not very good unless you are within a nucleus. All of the neutron generators that I am fa

Re: [Vo]:Mills Hyrdrino project (was :about Triumph Management (and LENR))

In reply to Jojo Jaro's message of Wed, 6 Jun 2012 12:46:44 +0800: Hi Jojo, [snip] >Quite honestly, Mills has had decades and considerably more than $100,000 >that you estimate, to bring his Hydrino Theory reactor to fruition without >apparent success. No insult or ridicule intended, but what

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

I have long wondered whether or not protons generate bremsstrahlung radiation in the same manner as electrons. It seems that the charge is responsible for the radiation and not the mass unless you are suggesting that the slower rate of deceleration of a proton versus and electron as it travels

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

Lou, If W&L works and you capture a neutron to form Ni63 from Ni62 you would have a half life of 98.7 years before the beta decay. There would be a very small quantity of Cu63 as a result. I have made numerous calculations which demonstrate that you get the same amount of energy release r

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 6 Jun 2012 00:27:52 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] > >The half life of Ni63 is 98.7 years. That path would not be useful in Rossi's >device. > The capture alone yields over 6 MeV. The beta decay energy is tiny by comparison. Unless you are implying that the

[Vo]:Mills Hyrdrino project (was :about Triumph Management (and LENR))

Robin, I read your webpage regarding this potential Fusion Project, although I found it rather lacking in detail and I am still unsure what you are trying to achieve or how to achieve it. Are you in a position to reveal more of your theory in terms an Engineer amd a businessman can understand

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

In reply to pagnu...@htdconnect.com's message of Tue, 5 Jun 2012 23:54:39 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] >According to my rough calculations the Ni-to-Cu transmutations do release >significant energy, as you claimed - see my reply to ny.min. I am not >sure how much energy is siphoned off by the neutrino

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

The half life of Ni63 is 98.7 years. That path would not be useful in Rossi's device. Dave -Original Message- From: pagnucco To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Jun 5, 2012 11:14 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR) Thanks ny.min, I assumed that a neutron was captured by

Re: [Vo]:Mars One - Humans on Mars in 2023

Realities shows are successful because the success of one relies on the humiliation and exclusion of other participants, like in the old Coliseum. That is not possible in this mission, though, unless you kill passengers, like in the old Coliseum. 2012/6/6 Patrick Ellul > Funded by marketing it a

Re: [Vo]:Mars One - Humans on Mars in 2023

In reply to Patrick Ellul's message of Wed, 6 Jun 2012 14:10:21 +1000: Hi, [snip] I wrote to Elon Musk offering to help him build a fusion powered shuttle to get us there in 2 days at 1 g with only 20% fuel mass. No response. >Funded by marketing it as one big reality show... Possible?? And w

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

In reply to David Roberson's message of Tue, 5 Jun 2012 20:42:05 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] > >On occasion I find myself liking the hydrino concept. The gamma radiation >associated with element mutation is hard to accept without assuming a large >amount of leakage. If the electron is ejected, whi

[Vo]:Mars One - Humans on Mars in 2023

Funded by marketing it as one big reality show... Possible?? And would you buy a one way ticket to Mars? http://mars-one.com/en/ Regards, Patrick -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever!

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

David, According to my rough calculations the Ni-to-Cu transmutations do release significant energy, as you claimed - see my reply to ny.min. I am not sure how much energy is siphoned off by the neutrino, though. I assumed a neutron capture by the Ni nucleus, so no there would be no need to cons

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

Thanks ny.min, I assumed that a neutron was captured by 62Ni which then beta-decays to 63Cu. (Unless my quick calculations are wrong,) when you substract the minimum energy required to form a neutron from an electron + proton (approx. 780 Kev) from the energy released from that beta-day, you do w

Re: [Vo]:discussion about RELIABILITY in LENR

At 02:29 PM 6/5/2012, Peter Gluck wrote: I hope to discuss a lot of LENR subjects with our colleague Abd. Today, now, here: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2012/06/discussing-with-my-colleague-abd-about.html star

Re: [Vo]:Transit of Venus - Live Stream

I used a pair of binoculars to project the image of the transit on to a dark surface. With a bit of eyepiece-focusing, the transit was quite clear. I think that the Venus "blemish" may be too small to be coherent with a simple pinhole. Harry Veeder wrote: >I'd be interested to know if anyone w

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:12 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > This is why many of us keep saying that Mills is his own worst enemy for not > following up on promises to release samples for independent testing. He may > be forced to do this if Rossi is really making the progress he is claiming > (highly do

Re: [Vo]:Transit of Venus - Live Stream

I'd be interested to know if anyone was able to see the transit with a crude pinhole camera. I tried but the clouds would not co-operate. harry On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Patrick Ellul wrote: > welcome. Please do share if you find a better stream. > > On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Harry

Re: [Vo]:Transit of Venus - Live Stream

welcome. Please do share if you find a better stream. On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Harry Veeder wrote: > thanks. > Harry > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Patrick Ellul > wrote: > > Best stream i found so far. http://www.ustream.tv/nasaedge > > Enjoy. > > > > -- > > Patrick > > > > www.tR

Re: [Vo]:Transit of Venus - Live Stream

thanks. Harry On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Patrick Ellul wrote: > Best stream i found so far. http://www.ustream.tv/nasaedge > Enjoy. > > -- > Patrick > > www.tRacePerfect.com > The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! > The quickest puzzle ever! >

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

On occasion I find myself liking the hydrino concept. The gamma radiation associated with element mutation is hard to accept without assuming a large amount of leakage. Unfortunately, there are some serious questions as to whether or not hydinos exist. It would be convenient if the proton an

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

In reply to David Roberson's message of Tue, 5 Jun 2012 18:38:46 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] >A neutron of course would behave in this manner, but so would a hydrino that >is of low energy. One problem that needs to be understood is that Rossi >insists that copper is his only transformed element an

[Vo]:Transit of Venus - Live Stream

Best stream i found so far. http://www.ustream.tv/nasaedge Enjoy. -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever!

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

In reply to integral.property.serv...@gmail.com's message of Tue, 05 Jun 2012 11:38:12 -0500: Hi, [snip] >Robin, > >http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=338 Contrary to Feynman's hand waving use of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, there is no restriction imposed by this principle on

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

You may be correct in your assumption regarding knowledge, but there must be some level of barrier or LENR would be occurring all over the place, all the time. I read somewhere that about 100 keV is in the ballpark for the barrier of hydrogen to hydrogen hot fusion. Since the repulsion is pro

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

You would not need to overcome the Coulomb barrier if the electron-proton combination is bound together tightly. In that case the attraction that the electron sees is balanced by the repulsion afforded the proton. Perhaps a torque would be generated or some form of extreme tension would be ap

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

In reply to David Roberson's message of Tue, 5 Jun 2012 11:24:41 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] >Coulomb Barrier Energy ~5.6 MeV according to Rossi in his paper I seriously doubt that Rossi has any idea how this actually works. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

In reply to David Roberson's message of Tue, 5 Jun 2012 11:24:41 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] >I took a table of nuclides and performed a Energy difference between the >different nickel isotopes, plus associated proton and electron, and the >daughter copper isotopes and compared the net released ener

Re: [Vo]:What Happened in CE 774?

Maybe it was due to a terrestial LENR event belched up by volcano. Harry On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:59 AM, David Roberson wrote: > I agree with you Terry that it could likely be some form of solar event. > Maybe you should check the historical sun spot record if available for that > time frame to

Re: [Vo]:discussion about RELIABILITY in LENR

Dear Reliable, I think you have an special personal interest in this discussion about Reliability. I know well the paper of Bushnell, everything OK however windows do not melt, they break- have seen many major accident and have read about Seveso, Flixborough, Oppau, Chernobyl Why Bushnell does no

[Vo]:discussion about RELIABILITY in LENR

Dear Colleagues, I hope to discuss a lot of LENR subjects with our colleague Abd. Today, now, here: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2012/06/discussing-with-my-colleague-abd-about.html starting to exchange ideas re Reliability in CF/LENR. Far from agreement but this makes a dispute interesting. Pe

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

David, * NASA's Bushnell UNLEASHED for LENR!* http://www.usmessageboard.com/science-and-technology/226454-nasas-bushnell-unleashed-for-lenr.html#post5395486 Warm Regards, Reliable David Roberson wrote: I took a table of nuclides and performed a Energy difference between the different nickel is

Re: [Vo]:OT: Wisconsin will chose their governor in less than 24 hours

Despite the high anti-incumbent sentiment in the U.S., Scott Walker should easily win this election. (http://www.intrade.com/ has Walker winning at +90%) The reason Walker has support is simple: The unions tried to bully their way into the governor's office using a recall vote that is usually used

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

Robin, http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=338 http://www.ecatplanet.net/rossiblog.php?msg_search=Guglinski e+p+e = Hydride Anion = * 1. Trap * in lattice (Ni nano, C nano Cone, etc.) 2. Activate * {Cavitation, heat, RFG, Arc, coordinated oscillations, Lattice wave creation, etc.} 3. p+

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

I took a table of nuclides and performed a Energy difference between the different nickel isotopes, plus associated proton and electron, and the daughter copper isotopes and compared the net released energy to the energy required to overcome the coulomb barrier. The most significant energy rel

RE: [Vo]:What Happened in CE 774?

Interesting but was it from our sun, and/or was our sun "triggered". This was based on tree-ring data in Japan and North America, but I wonder about South America. If there was a substantial variation between North and South it could tell us something - although there are weather mechanisms for mix

Re: [Vo]:What Happened in CE 774?

I agree with you Terry that it could likely be some form of solar event. Maybe you should check the historical sun spot record if available for that time frame to get some form of correlation. It also makes one wonder if similar, ever more powerful, events in history have resulted in a drivin

[Vo]:What Happened in CE 774?

http://www.nature.com/news/mysterious-radiation-burst-recorded-in-tree-rings-1.10768 "Just over 1,200 years ago, the planet was hit by an extremely intense burst of high-energy radiation of unknown cause, scientists studying tree-ring data have found." http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/nc

Re: [Vo]:OT: Wisconsin will chose their governor in less than 24 hours

> This is another OFF TOPIC Wisconsin Political commentary. If not > interested, please skip this post! You have been warned! Why don't you use vortex-b for this stuff?

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

In reply to ny@aol.com's message of Tue, 5 Jun 2012 00:14:05 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] >http://sire.com/fusion.htm This page talks about "gaps", but you don't need gaps. In fact almost all elements have isotopes that work. Odd numbered elements however tend to make better starting material bec