Re: [Vo]:Skeptics Shocked

2012-06-07 Thread Daniel Rocha
Oh, right,a misunderstanding. I'm sorry. But I think if that was true, supposing that show is serious about debunking paranormal, those guys would never have such nonchalant attitude. They would bring all sorts of specialist to analyse the video. It would also be an explosive news in all media. 2

Re: [Vo]:Skeptics Shocked

2012-06-07 Thread Terry Blanton
I am not convinced of anything. AAMOF, I am likely the most difficult to convince having served as a moderator on CompuServe's MUFON forum back in the days before the internet was well known. The people involved were debunkers out to prove that a previous vid was a hoax and it looks like their sh

Re: [Vo]:Skeptics Shocked

2012-06-07 Thread Daniel Rocha
I don't think I should think it is ok to deceive people like that. Well, at least I cannot convince myself in that way. If you can, it's one less stressful thing that you have to deal with, so, good for you. 2012/6/7 Terry Blanton > To each his own, Danny. > > T > > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danie

Re: [Vo]:Skeptics Shocked

2012-06-07 Thread Terry Blanton
To each his own, Danny. T

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus common sense

2012-06-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Guenter Wildgruber wrote: the spoilers in the LENR-field are Rossi and DGT. > > extraordinary claims, no proof. > You exaggerate. The claims are no more extraordinary than any others in this field. Only the scale is larger. 50 mW of excess heat is as extraordinary as 1 MW. There is plenty of p

Re: [Vo]:The Ridiculous Demand for Excessive E-Cat Proof

2012-06-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jeff Driscoll wrote: > This > group said that Defkalion had poor experiments, poor equipment and > dumb scientists running it. > I do not know about dumb scientists but you can see from the photos they posted recently that their calorimetry is nothing to write home about. It was even worse befo

Re: [Vo]:The Ridiculous Demand for Excessive E-Cat Proof

2012-06-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Guenter Wildgruber wrote: Nowadays the deja vu is eg in genetics, -- Hwang Woo-suk and his stem cell > fraud. > Was he in it for the money? > NO. > Rossi is definitely not it in for the money. Legitimate people have offered him huge sums. He does not even respond. For him, it is about control. H

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus common sense

2012-06-07 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
the spoilers in the LENR-field are Rossi and DGT. extraordinary claims, no proof. Both do a disservice to the field. WRT  overall power and price of their devices they are way over the top of everybody else (several orders of magnitude ) Maybe the US-military fell prey to Rossi, because their b

Re: [Vo]:The Ridiculous Demand for Excessive E-Cat Proof

2012-06-07 Thread Daniel Rocha
Is that an anonymous hearsay source or do you actually have a quotable source? 2012/6/7 Jeff Driscoll > I heard of one group that went to Defkalion with rich investors and > Defkalion either wouldn't or couldn't show a definitive test. This > group said that Defkalion had poor experiments, poo

Re: [Vo]:The Ridiculous Demand for Excessive E-Cat Proof

2012-06-07 Thread Jeff Driscoll
I heard of one group that went to Defkalion with rich investors and Defkalion either wouldn't or couldn't show a definitive test. This group said that Defkalion had poor experiments, poor equipment and dumb scientists running it. Why not look more closely at Blacklight Power? They have top notc

Re: [Vo]:The Ridiculous Demand for Excessive E-Cat Proof

2012-06-07 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
Jed, we agree that Rossi is a complex character, akin to Karl May , which is my guess, which we discussed earlier, and where You and I disagree. Discard the money-aspect, plus add that Rossi is a true believer in his own design, which he keeps secret. ( very similar to Karl May, who had such a

Re: [Vo]:Skeptics Shocked

2012-06-07 Thread Daniel Rocha
I think that is an hoax. Perpetrated by skeptics to later debunk them. Sadly, people will believe in that. Even sadder it is that life is so difficult that many of us clings to fantasies or myths, and the guys who are perpetrating this hoax are aware of that, and will feel proud to frustrate these

Re: [Vo]:The Ridiculous Demand for Excessive E-Cat Proof

2012-06-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
noone noone wrote: You should specify that you think the tests were inadequate to show detailed measurements, but not inadequate to show that large amounts of excess energy were produced. That is what I said! Right here: http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?p=166 The tests were also inadequate i

[Vo]:Skeptics Shocked

2012-06-07 Thread Terry Blanton
So you go out to prove a UFO video a hoax and wind up messing your pants at what you photograph: http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981381346 T

[Vo]:Rossi versus common sense

2012-06-07 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
Rossi: 600C E-Cat Test Continues for Over 30 Days http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/06/rossi-600c-e-cat-test-continues-for-over-30-days/ Does anybody here have any idea what that amounts to? Your average oven-heating-plate-temperature is 300degC when really hot. There are some plates which do 500

Re: [Vo]:The Ridiculous Demand for Excessive E-Cat Proof

2012-06-07 Thread noone noone
You should specify that you think the tests were inadequate to show detailed measurements, but not inadequate to show that large amounts of excess energy were produced. I agree that many of the tests could have been performed and setup better, but I think they were all good enough to show massiv

Re: [Vo]:The Ridiculous Demand for Excessive E-Cat Proof

2012-06-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Guenter Wildgruber > wrote: Rossi has no shame. That's true. He doesn't. No money needed = no scam. How can you scam someone without taking any money?!? I believe in LENR but not in Rossi, and feel embarrassed by his phony claims. His claims have

Re: [Vo]:The Ridiculous Demand for Excessive E-Cat Proof

2012-06-07 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
Rossi has no shame. next time around , what else will he promise? Offer moon travels for $100 per trip, based on revolutionary LENR propulsion? No money needed = no scam. And you believe that? I believe in LENR but not in Rossi, and feel embarrassed by his phony claims. NASA reveals that it ha

Re: [Vo]:The Ridiculous Demand for Excessive E-Cat Proof

2012-06-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
I disagree. I think the tests were inadequate, for the reasons I gave here: http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?p=166 I think Mats Lewan agrees with me. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Milky Way and Andromeda collision

2012-06-07 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Since Andromeda and The Milky way belong to the same local group, it is highly likely that they are made of pretty much the same stuff ... ie matter, not anti-matter, and are simply bound by regular gravity. An earlier evaluation of the collision is at http://arxiv.org/abs/0705.1170 The Collisi

[Vo]:The Ridiculous Demand for Excessive E-Cat Proof

2012-06-07 Thread noone noone
This is from a posting on E-Cat World. The Ridiculous Demand for Excessive E-Cat Proof I enjoyed following the E-Cat saga in the year 2011. Although I still enjoy following it to this day (things are really getting exciting with 600C steam), last year was particularly interesting. Just abo

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2012-06-07 Thread Peter Gluck
I just forgot to tell you that QUI CITO 27 also published today has one link possibly relevant for Rossi and an other weakly related to ICCF17; plus other good stuff. My selection but not my writing. Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

[Vo]:discussion about RELIABILITY-cont.

2012-06-07 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Friends, I am very pleased that I have found a partner for discussion the essence of LENR, therefore see please: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2012/06/reliability-discussion-continues.html I hope that soon we will have the opportunity to excahnge opinions and ideas about some paradigm cha