Amidst all the hoopla over Rossi's recent hot-cat claims, and the first
retraction - and the notable lack calibration data, or lack of real data -
did Rossi also make a devastating math error?
Last night, in the comments - it looks like Ahern suggests that Rossi's own
calculations are off by four
It looks as though he used the conversion factor of .0001 to convert the square
centimeters to square meters which is a valid calculation. I wonder why he
does not include the area of the end caps in his calculation? Do you suppose
he wants to be conservative on this one?
The data is hard t
From: David Roberson
It looks as though he used the conversion factor of .0001 to convert the
square centimeters to square meters which is a valid calculation. I wonder
why he does not include the area of the end caps in his calculation? Do you
suppose he wants to be conservative on th
I am pretty sure the decimal in the first number should be a comma. Rossi
is mixing up numbering conventions.
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
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> It looks as though he used the conversion factor of .0001 to convert
The comments in the referenced link address these issues and more. There
is also this link:
http://www.physicstoday.org/daily_edition/science_and_the_media/media_outlets_consider_cold_fusion_and_low-energy_nuclear_reactions
Which is a summary of LENR in the news.
OK, you are right in pointing that out. That is another of his games as far as
I know. My interpretation is that he ran the device in what he calls a self
sustaining mode for a shorter period of time. (118 hours)
During this time he drove the device with a peak power input of 5 kWatts at a
d
It looks as though they have taken the temperature of the device of 1050 C and
subtracted the room temperature of 25 C before converting into Kelvin at
1298.15, which is inserted into the radiation equation. The non linearity of
the temperature effect upon the radiation makes this not accurate.
Well, it's too bad that Physics Today is giving a bit of credence to the
field at the same time this Rossi crap comes out .
It could not be called 'crap,' and would be easier to believe if Rossi had
included data and did not include this warning at the top of the document
(ironically labeled a
Jones, lets give Rossi an opportunity to clean up the messy numbers. Of course
we all want to get our hands upon the actual data collected during the test and
I hope that this will happen before too much time and damage has been done.
Would it suit us better if we did not have any inputs at al
On Oct 13, 2012, at 9:00, David Roberson wrote:
> I can only guess that he allowed this operation to continue until stopped
> with some form of heat extraction to defeat the process and allow the unit to
> cool down.
Assuming what Andrea Rossi is saying is basically true, there may or may not
There are a few experimenters here on Vortex who have taken notice of the
"Reiter effect" - which is based on the work of Nick Reiter with nanoporous
zeolites, which have been loaded with various metals by ion exchange.
Recently, Nick got excellent results with Co-Gd infused zeolite beads and
hydr
I agree he has been less than careful in the delivery of his data! I have not
seen any evidence that he is storing output power in any type of device to use
as an input heating source. One could suggest that the heat is being stored
within the active mechanism itself at a level that keeps its
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 10:50 AM, David Roberson wrote:
Eric, you mention that LENR devices tend to shut down by themselves in the
> HAD mode. Rossi has insisted that his units only reach this state if they
> run uncontrolled and self destruct by melting. I would consider this type
> of operati
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 10:50 AM, David Roberson wrote:
Eric, you mention that LENR devices tend to shut down by themselves in the
> HAD mode. Rossi has insisted that his units only reach this state if they
> run uncontrolled and self destruct by melting. I would consider this type
> of operati
Jones Beene wrote:
> He is rumored to be
> building an air-flow calorimeter which will help in getting this
> important information spread around - if the results hold.
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Ugh. Tell him not to.
I have never had such trouble as trying to use an air-flow calorimeter. The
results are meaningless.
Rossi's numbers in a spreadsheet:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/109919735/Rossi-Validation
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 6:03 AM, Eric Walker wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 10:50 AM, David Roberson wrote:
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> Eric, you mention that LENR devices tend to shut down by themselves in the
>> HAD mode. Rossi
Abd, your comments prodded me to read Oriani's paper more closely and to
dig around for Kowalski's attempted replication. I see that there are
several papers with Kowalski as author or coauthor that mention Oriani, and
I wasn't sure which one you had in mind. It might be [1], but in that one
Kowa
From: Patrick Ellul
Rossi's numbers in a spreadsheet:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/109919735/Rossi-Validation
There is a data file on this linked page called "hot-cat-data":
http://www.scribd.com/doc/105325449/Hot-Cat-Data
The assumption seems to be that this is the data in questi
Another typo, I'm afraid. The "hot-cat-data" file was an addendum to the
validation report Rossi presented in Zurich -- the test was done on July
16, 2012. Both these files are in my Scribd account where I have uploaded
various documents .
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
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Hi Dave,
I will be interested to know your results. This evening, I started an
experiment using my repeatedly-treated nickels (8) on a small thoriated
tungsten rod. I'm using a penny connected to a chrome plated alligator
clip for my anode (+). My last few runs seemed to show excess heat, but
l
http://22passi.blogspot.it/2012/10/resoconto-da-pordenone-parte-1.htm
http://22passi.blogspot.it/2012/10/resoconto-da-pordenone-parte-2.html
Mostly covers stuff we've heard before
Via google translate :
Prof. Franco Battaglia has asked many questions to Rossi: What kind of reaction
thought to
Hi Jack,
I am likewise interested in your results. The circulation pump might be an
idea that I should incorporate since I am very carefully placing my temperature
probe at the same location for readings. On occasions I get data that seems
out of place by a couple of degrees C which might be
You might try to erode the copper extrusions that erupt from the center of
the coin.
These copper eruptions have been produced by repeated heating. Remove this
copper by etching the heat treated nickel in acid.
This etching should produce the micro holes that we are interested in.
Cheers: Axil
I spoke at the original meeting 14 years ago. It was like being at the Solvay
conference.
see ANS on attached link.
http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=787504
Frank Znidarsic
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From: Ron Kita
To: vortex-l
Sent: Sat, Oct 13, 2012 10:41
A couple of us tried electrolysis with nickels in Borax today. No excess
heat was observed. There are details here:
http://pdxlenr.blogspot.com/2012/10/no-heating-observed-while-electrolyzing.html
Jeff
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
> You might try to erode the copper extrusi
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