On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:42 AM, James Bowery wrote:
> I've seen it claimed by a rather emotionally committed skeptic -- with
> some background in conducting CF runs with calorimetry -- that an adequate
> 19th century technology water-bath style calorimetry of the E-Cat HT would
> cost "a couple
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 12:38 PM, James Bowery wrote:
> OK, I'll ask the question a different way:
>
> Is there any explanation offered, even if only in an interview, by the
> researchers as to why they did not use normal calorimetry?
>
>
>
In the December run, the experiment was already running
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
> They used perfectly normal calorimetry.
>
Normal to me means common. But I have not seen calorimetry performed with
IR thermometry. Do you have some references for where it has been used?
> There is not the slightest chance output is
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 1:01 PM, David Roberson wrote:
> Dennis,
>
> I don't think it would be quite so easy for Rossi to perform the
> experiment that you propose.
>
It's amazing the excuses true believers contrive to explain why inferior
experiments were used. If the thing is to be useful, it s
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 1:20 PM, David Roberson wrote:
>
> The ECAT will need adjustment depending upon the environment into which it
> operates. This is what should be expected.
>
>
>
Exactly, and controlled cooling provides a way to adjust it. Sitting in the
open air does not.
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
> I have significant experience with flow calorimeters. I would say:
>
> 1. It would end up costing much more than a few hundred dollars.
>
True. But not more than 10k for an off-the-shelf unit. That sounds like a
bargain for what Rossi's doi
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Mark Gibbs wrote:
> Even though I'm still wearing my skeptic's hat (that's the one with the
> propeller on top) isn't the argument about the need for calorimetry made
> irrelevant the amount of energy observed to have been generated? In other
> words, even with mor
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
> Extraordinary claims call for the most ordinary proof you can come up with.
>
>
>
That's true for true believers. For everyone else the usual saying
represents common sense, and the opinion of great thinkers from Pascal
through Sagan. I see
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
>
>
>> I still think that a standalone unplugged demo is the best approach - not
>> high wattage and fancy instruments and lots of wires and computer programs.
>>
>
> That would be nice, but evidently that would probably cause the reactor to
>
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
> Flow calorimetry has much to be said for it but it is more complicated and
> less believable than this. A lot more can go wrong with it, and usually
> does go wrong with it for the first several weeks.
>
>
>
It is both more believable, wh
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
>
> I have thought about that. During the initial warm up phase you would get
> an interesting result. After that, when it reaches a steady state, you
> would maintain the entire body of water at a certain temperature for weeks.
> The body (th
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:50 PM, David Roberson wrote:
> It will take more than just a generator and an extension cord to close the
> loop. Some form of energy storage will be required to do the job.
>
>
>
To close the loop with electricity, probably yes. But if you used
controlled cooling, yo
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:03 PM, DJ Cravens wrote:
> They only need to make their sponsors happy not Crude. I hope the best
> for them.
>
>
Hey, if you're referring to me, I'm with you all the way on the
self-sustaining water-tank heating demo. So the insult is particularly
hurtful.
Greetings Vortex-L,
As most know, Rossi s official website gets infrequently updated.
This morning the site was down for an update:
http://www.ecat.com
Update= a Biggie or a yawn?
Respectfully,
Ron Kita, Chiralex
Doylestown PA
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
> I do not understand what you have in mind here. Nature allows us to do
> some things and not others. We have to work with what nature allows, not
> what we would wish for in an ideal universe.[...]
>
> Obviously with more engineering R&D a s
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:18 PM, David Roberson wrote:
>
>
> The best proof is one that has the least possibility of error.
>
Or the least possibility of error that favors the ecat, or the least
possibility of tampering. An isolated ecat eliminates input tampering. A
heated tank of water eliminat
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Mark Gibbs wrote:
>
>>
>>
> Indeed, making steam and using it to, say, drive a car across Italy
> without stopping would be pretty damn convincing.
>
>
>
Nice to see you can envision a demo that would convince skeptics.
Unfortunately the actual demos don't ever get
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
> There was a time when this field desperately needed a standalone self
> powered reactor to prove the reaction is real. That is because absolute
> power was low, ranging from 5 to 100 W. However, now that Rossi has
> developed high-powered re
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
>
> Dr. Richard L. Garwin is alive and well and will likely live to have his
> tea.
>
>
If you believe Rothwell and Roberson, skeptics will never have to concede,
because no application of cold fusion is obvious enough to make them
believe it.
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
>
> If the device cannot self-power, it is still valuable with a lower COP,
> the proverbial hot water or space heater -
>
A COP of 3 is not useful if the electricity was made with fossil fuels at
an efficiency of 1/3. That's a wash.
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
> If it is real it is the most important advance in technology since the
> discovery of fire. If the scientific community is convinced it is real,
> every industrial corporation and university will be hard at work on this.
> ~$100 million per
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
> WHY are you so certain that wattmeters do not work?!?
>
You know that's not the objection.
> There is no chance Rossi can fool one, and if the people doing the test
have any doubt about that, they can bring a portable generator.
Would
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 8:43 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
>
> Portable generator is also fine and even better, because it leaves very
> little room for tricks and doubt. But after 10 or so demonstrations we have
> had only one portable generator and that also was brought by Rossi.
>
>
And it had the
I'm sure you've seen this one, as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQLCZOG202k
On 06/03/2013 09:14 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> See a flash mob performance celebrating the reopening of the Rijksmuseum:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=a6W2ZMpsxhg
>
> This kind of thing
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
> Nothing in the recent test was brought by Rossi. This test was a hands-off
> "black box" test, exactly what the skeptics have been demanding. It seems
> you will not take "yes" for an answer.
>
>
>
So much nonsense. The test was running wh
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Jouni Valkonen wrote:
>
>
>> Leading scam hypothesis does assume that Giuseppe Levi is a scammer and
>> he is as bad as Rossi. And he brought most of the instruments.
>>
>
> I see. And these other co-authors are so stupid they do not even not
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:55 PM, David Roberson wrote:
> Why not give a direct answer to a direct question. Do you agree that the
> COP is greater than 1? Yes or no?
>
>
>
Read the reply again, with particular attention to the first word.
I would have thought that elaboration was a good way
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:59 PM, David Roberson wrote:
> No reason for any of your issues is given except that there is no reason
> that you are aware of to do what makes sense to most other engineers and
> scientists on the list.
>
3-phase is not needed. He ran higher power steam cats witho
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:09 PM, David Roberson wrote:
> I admit that I do not believe that the magnetic field is important in this
> case.
>
I am very pleased to see that some progress is being made.
> It is not too close to zero with this particular geometry
Well, the particular geometry
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:17 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote:
> If you genuinely want an explanation of how the eCAT is positive feedback,
> which Dave is trying to do, backed up by his model, then it requires
> following a line of reasoning.
>
Wrong discussion. The question of COP > 1 here arose in t
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
> The effects of heat and the use of heat to control chemical and nuclear
> reactions is well established.
>
>
>
Perhaps, but elsewhere I asked for an example where the addition of heat is
used to control a positive thermal feedback system,
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 10:35 AM, David Roberson wrote:
> Applying more heat to make it stop is not what he does. He ceases to
> apply the excess drive heat to make it stop. This is 180 degrees
> different. The extra drive power to the resistors is added to the internal
> power during the time
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 10:44 AM, David Roberson wrote:
> The group at moletrap has a hobby of trying to debunk anything that they
> do not understand. You should have realized by now that these clowns can
> not admit when they are shown in error to keep up appearances of
> understanding these s
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 11:07 AM, David Roberson wrote:
>
> Cude and the others of this group can not accept that LENR is anything
> except for a scam.
>
Not true in my case. I think most of LENR research is not a scam; it is
probably just pathological science. But I don't even rule it out
compl
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:57 PM, David Roberson wrote:
> There is a wealth of information contained within the shape of the output
> temperature curve associated with operation of the ECAT.
>
That's total speculative and nonsensical over-interpretation.
It's based in the first place on the a
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:11 PM, David Roberson wrote:
> No problem, I will meet you here in a couple of years and we can compare
> notes.
>
Good, but I was hoping you'd be able to tell us now if you might get a
little skeptical if the hot cat has a similar fate that the steam cat has
seen in t
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:13 PM, David Roberson wrote:
> I am attempting to keep you form getting banned since I want to use you to
> clear up a number of issues. It is hoped that you will go back to the
> other skeptics and then set them straight.
>
>
>
Garbage. You don't need anyone else to
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:25 PM, David Roberson wrote:
> Maybe we are making headway in this discussion. Can I assume that you are
> now saying that the hot cat can actually produce heat by some unknown
> process? So far it is not clear that you accept this premise.
>
>
For heaven's sake. You
Hi,
An appropriate anagram of "cold fusion" would be ;-) :
Coils Found
Kind regards,
Rob
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 8:08 AM, David Roberson wrote:
> Josh, once you understand how the ECAT uses heat for control you will
> realize that the heat can not be applied continuously.
Well, you're gonna have to explain it if you expect me to understand it.
And then you're gonna have to explain
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
> **
>
> Yes it was a poor analogy, but so what? Cude’s analysis is wrong no matter
> how much he obfuscates and by jumping on a poor analogy – he does not gain
> credibility.
>
> **
>
Which analogy is that? I was suggesting there was no
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Harry Veeder wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:58 AM, Joshua Cude wrote:
>
>>
>> But I think you misunderstood. I was not referring to new science
>> theories there. I was saying that it's common sense that if Rossi's claims
>> were being accepted by the majo
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Eric Walker wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 3:51 AM, Joshua Cude wrote:
>
> No, you don't. Plenty of ICEs (outboards, motorcycles) run without
>> batteries. Car engines would run without batteries too, unless they use
>> some kind of electronic fault detection tha
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 3:54 AM, Joshua Cude wrote:
>
> But the ecat just uses electricity to make heat. So if the ecat already
>> makes heat, it should self-sustain on that. Like combustion.
>>
>
> I passed over this point too quickly. One qu
Hi Axil, very plausible theory! Explains radioactive decay anomalies and at
lesser levels will fit most of the different categories. sonoluminescence,
plasma engines. Ni H in powders or skeletal cats. I would only suggest the
H2O as the difference with LeClair vs H2 for Rossi and Mills not the
tem
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
> There is a third possibility as well. The reaction is localized, and it
> depends upon an elevated temperature to kick off. But the local region is
> destroyed by the reaction, so you have apply heat once more to initiate the
> reaction in ot
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 3:22 PM, David Roberson wrote:
> Eric,
>
> The resistive heating requirement is to be able to reverse the
> temperature excursion at the proper time by removing the extra input.
> Constant heat input will result in the destruction of the device when
> useful output power
On Jun 4, 2013, at 2:26 PM, Joshua Cude wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>> Jouni Valkonen wrote:
>>
>>> Leading scam hypothesis does assume that Giuseppe Levi is a scammer and he
>>> is as bad as Rossi.
>>
> > So you are saying Levi wants to destroy his own re
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 4:10 PM, David Roberson wrote:
> Eric,
>
> Model 1 appears to be more in line with what I suspect is happening
> except for the explanation of the lack of external heat for control issue.
> You need to consider that the peak heat power being generated inside the
> core i
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:21 AM, David Roberson wrote:
> I have requested that Cude or any others interested in finding the truth
> construct a similar model and prove me wrong.
>
I never made any claims about dc rectification. I said that the
experimental design leaves opportunities for decepti
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:36 PM, David Roberson wrote:
> This is a good start Josh. I think I can explain that to you since you
> seem to be a pretty sharp guy.
>
Thank you Mr Roberson for that kind compliment.
Unfortunately it also takes an explanation that is realistic and a sharp
guy to e
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:47 PM, David Roberson wrote:
> So, do you need help with that spice model?
>
You're just repeating your arguments and ignoring the responses I've
already given to them. Obviously I have no proof. How could I? True
believers insist on an explanation of how deception mig
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
> The tactic of the obstructionist is to avoid dealing with the case
>
The avoidance here is from the true believers who insist that any
alternative explanation must described in detail, whereas they refuse to
explain the thermodynamics of a pow
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 11:35 PM, David Roberson wrote:
> It is apparent that Mr. Cude does not have a valid case and is not willing
> to discuss the issues.
>
I've written a lot of words, so obviously I'm willing to discuss. I'm kind
of outnumbered here, so it's not possible to respond to ever
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 11:53 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Joshua Cude wrote:
>
>> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 4:29 AM, Kevin O'Malley wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Put yourself in the shoes of those 7 scientists who have placed their
>>> reputations on the line.
>>>
>
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
>
> Anyway the Farnsworth Fusor is a fusion reactor that many high school level
> students have built, including Conrad.
>
> It involves adding electrical energy in order to achieve LENR reactions.
> Sound familiar, Joshua?
You missed the poi
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:
> We are taking about two different phenomenon of nature. Trying to use the
> same concepts and words to describe both results in confusion. Those of us
> who have studied cold fusion for the last 23 years have a definition of CF
> that is not
Mr. Beaty,
When I opened up my mail box this morning I was flooded with over 40 posted
messages from Joshua Cude. And it's only 7:10 AM in the morning. I know of
no one within the Vort Collective besides Cude that has displayed this
amount of excessive and obsessive posting behavior. How many m
Jouni Valkonen wrote:
> That is true. The risk for Levi is negligible and he can always claim
> ignorance.
>
The risk is that his reputation would be shattered. He would be forced to
retire at least.
> So If Levi is making few dozens of kiloeuros extra money with Rossi with
> very little eff
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote:
But at what point does this incessant (IMO) kind posting behavior
> considered a nuisance and hindrance to on-going Vortex discussions?
>
It is not a problem. Just filter the messages out. Frankly, I do not see
why you raise the issue.
I think this for
On Tue, 4 Jun 2013 07:35:47 -0500
"OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson"
wrote:
> Mr. Beaty,
>
>
>
> When I opened up my mail box this morning I was flooded with over 40 posted
> messages from Joshua Cude. And it's only 7:10 AM in the morning. I know of
> no one within the Vort Collective besi
Finally, a direct answer to a simple question. Although you still leave it up
to me to interpret the response. Unless you say otherwise, I now accept that
you do not believe that there is any level of internally generated heat being
released during this test series.
With this position, it is
The guy is a liar. I showed how he's doing his probability wrong, because
he assumes EVERY one of 14,700 replications is in error. He just keeps
repeating his error:
No, you don't know your mathematics, because that's like saying that the
chance of rolling 10 sixes out of 60 dice is (1/6)^10. It
Cude,
You always over simplify the system. If these types of devices were easy to
control and to work with, everyone could do it. How much time do you think
Rossi should devote to trying to prove this to skeptics with your opinion? I
think he should concentrate his efforts upon those that r
There has been some discussion here as to whether you could heat an Olympic
pool to boiling with a 900 W heater. The answer is no, you cannot. In fact
there is no way you could even detect this much heat with that much water.
As I mentioned that is the heat from two people swimming. That does not
e
Nope, each takes a lot of engineering effort to achieve. When did you become
an expert on the design of ECATs? You don't even believe they work in the
first place, how can you offer solutions to the problems?
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Joshua Cude
To: vortex-l
Sent: Tue, Jun
Try to be serious Cude. You know that you would find fault with any test
system regardless of its performance. Your record speaks for itself.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Joshua Cude
To: vortex-l
Sent: Tue, Jun 4, 2013 7:02 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:A Couple Hundred Bucks Maybe...
Cude,
I was of the understanding that you have accepted the accuracy of the thermal
imaging output power measurement. Are you now returning to that lost cause?
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Joshua Cude
To: vortex-l
Sent: Tue, Jun 4, 2013 7:03 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:A Couple Hundred
Kevin O'Malley wrote:
The guy is a liar.
>
I doubt that. I get a sense he is somewhat innumerate. People who claim
that 14,700 tests are all errors do not have a strong grasp of probability,
or the basis of experimental science.
I am sure he sincerely believes that. No one would go on repeating
Wrong. The ECat at low gain would be valuable to the segment of the
population whose only affordable alternative is a resistance space heater
COP=1 versus LENR heater COP=3. Next is the home electric water heater. For
them, net power for heat is cut by two thirds. DoE says space heating and
water h
Do you promise to accept the results if he uses one of these calorimeters? Why
do I think not?
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Joshua Cude
To: vortex-l
Sent: Tue, Jun 4, 2013 7:07 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:A Couple Hundred Bucks Maybe...
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Jed Rothwell wr
Wrong again Cude. No one has ever claimed that an ECAT has run in SSM without
connection to the power mains. Read what Rossi has written. His definition of
SSM is restricted to a brief period of time during which the device is slowly
cooling off but generating internal heat. Controlled cooli
Jones Beene wrote, regarding a COP of 3:
Wrong. The ECat at low gain would be valuable to the segment of the
> population whose only affordable alternative is a resistance space heater
> COP=1 versus LENR heater COP=3.
>
There are not many people like that in the first world. Most of them are i
I wrote:
> No matter how difficult it is to control the thing at higher COPs, methods
> will be found, and then perfected.
>
This control problem only seems to be an issue with the high temperature
Hot Cat model. At moderate temperatures Rossi ran for long periods with
less input power, and a mu
Again, how confident are you that controlled cooling will perform this
function? I have serious doubts that it is easy and you have serious doubts
that it is possible at all. Please tell us how sure you are that this will
work? Do you now believe that the ECAT is real?
Dave
-Origina
Cude, you are consistent at least. You are like a Mary Yugo on steroids. Both
of you repeat your statements over and over and they have no substance. I just
proved your DC cheat trick inert and the others you insist upon depend upon
Rossi running a scam so you have nothing but straws.
I onl
How much of an impact will it have upon you (Cude) to hear that an ECAT self
distructed because the input control was removed? Hum, seems like that has
been stated.
Get real, admit that there is no level of performance that would convince you
except for the next one you dig up.
Dave
-O
must be connected to the mains--bingo- if your process requires electrical
input you must have a high COP. The conversion from heat back into electrical
power places restrictions on you ability to make it self sustaining. IF you
can get heat out at around 300C you theoretically could self
You know that we are just being truthful Cude. The evidence is overwhelming at
this point but you do not see it. And I have tried to educate you about how
heat controls the ECAT and you fail to understand. Frankly, I do not know what
else can be done except to have you burn yourself sitting
So why would you want to buy three tons of coal to generate electricity if only
one ton were needed? Rossi has pointed out on several occasions that his
device will operate with gas heating. Would you prefer to put out that extra
carbon dioxide and pay the extra cost for the coal if you had a
DJ Cravens wrote:
must be connected to the mains--bingo- if your process requires
> electrical input you must have a high COP.
>
Where did that graph come from? Did you make it?
I have never heard of mechanical work from temperatures below 100 deg C.
By the way, I wrote: "These [low temp
That is right Josh, keep raising the bar. There has been sufficient proof
shown so far and you and your friends have not accepted it. Why should Rossi
think that any additional level of proof would be anything but a waste of his
time? He is smarter than you realize. I can hardly wait for th
Why don't you review the actual peak input drive levels required Josh? Once
you understand how it operates your statement will become non sense even to you.
Some form of energy storage will be required as has been said several times.
Please try to understand the system.
Dave
-Original
Cude, I hope that one day you will be subjected to the same level of scrutiny
as you love to throw at everyone else. To claim that these men are all
scamming is contemptuous. To deny that all the previous replications by
various labs is fake or due to ignorance is beyond belief.
We would be
I just ripped it off the net. It is just the limiting Carnott efficiency
1-t/T like.
Yes there are small Stirlings that can convert down in the sub 100C range
fairly efficiently,
but with them you would have to go heat>mechanical >electrical> control you
cell. Peltiers give you direct h
Jed,
you admit that you haven't read most of his postings so you haven't a clue.
He is a liar. His goal is to debunk. That should be obvious. He has
violated a number of rules, and we have been quite tolerant. 10% of his
verbal diarrhea is useful, but the rest is sweeping generalizations, the
It occurred to me that if heat energy becomes free enough, you could use it
to sterilize a swimming
pool by putting the heater in the circulation pump line and boiling, then
condensing the water back to its
original temperature briefly as it travels through the plumbing. A
circulation pump can
Yes when a pseudoskeptic comes up with a scattershot of arguments in the
alternative it is thought crime to take one of them and determine its
veracity so as to eliminate a possibility. The pseudoskeptic's purpose is
not for you to evaluate the arguments but to be frightened of thinking.
On Tue,
I find it interesting that one who avoids any quantitative work would expect
others to supply him with that information. josh, it would be a major waste of
my time to do as you ask since it would be amazing for you to even take a
glance at the data.
I do admit that Rossi has done an excellent
I recall you taking up the DC cheating issue from your friend. You are
searching for straws and wishing to throw as much non sense into the fray as
possible. This is your technique to confuse people who are monitoring the
site. They will not realize that you do not have a clue since all they
Josh, back to the same type of arguments. A long list that would be exhaustive
to anyone reading is not the way to sort this out. I refuse to react to this
non sense. Why do you not understand my explanation as to how heat can be used
in a positive feedback system as a control? It is pretty
Scientific background's can be manufactured on the spot. Big deal!
Ruby Carat
Bachelor's in Physics
Master's in Math
Free jazz musician
(All true)
Best credential? No afraid to ask questions and admit ignorance.
But I sure don't want to confuse Cude with my booklearnin...
On 6/4/13 8:2
Dennis, please look at the many descriptions that have been written about why
the COP must be beyond a certain level to supply itself without having
problems. A COP of 2 to 1 could not make enough electricity to supply the
drive by any means.
Electronic control required electrical energy and
> ... at what point does this incessant (IMO) kind posting behavior
considered
> a nuisance and hindrance to on-going Vortex discussions? Now, if Cude is
> genuinely making a good contribution I'll have nothing more to say on
> this matter. But it would be interesting to hear a consensus on ho
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Robert,
Please forgive me for responding to Cude and perhaps allowing his non sense to
escape the filter. I will restrict that situation from this point forth. I
feel badly for how I have contributed to this mess, but he was directly
attacking me and I hated to just stand by and let his inpu
Vorl:
You haven't a clue either...
When it comes to LENR, there is overwhelming evidence, and most of the
people on this forum who 'appear' as TBs, have read the literature, so to
call them TBs is in error; they are basing their decision on having read the
evidence themselves. To someone who hasn
There are bad ones too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHyug2PvpB8
that is why I said: "if your process requires electrical input you must have a
high COP. for a real world device when you have to also make electrical
conversion, fight heat losses, power to the controlling units, and such. "
You may want to re read my post.
But also realize that Ecats
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Rob Dingemans wrote:
> Hi,
>
> An appropriate anagram of "cold fusion" would be ;-) :
> Coils Found
There's also:
Foci Old Sun
Cloud Of Sin
Cud Of Lions
Flu Is On Doc
And a few hundred more in english.
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