I suppose that goes right to the heart of what Blaze means by "Real". If
PdD fusion were "real" in his mind, we would have PdD cold fusion reactors
replacing coal plants by the dozen every month, people would be ordering a
cup of Richard Garwin tea from Starbucks, and you could buy a LENR
generato
Daniel Rocha wrote:
Really? In Italy, he was granted. Only there. An it is extremely unlikely
> that he will get anywhere . . .
>
His ability to make the machine work is intellectual property whether he
has a patent or not. It is a trade secret. Stealing a trade secret is
unethical if not illega
From: David Roberson
I believe that the term gamma ray is reserved for photons
that originate from the nucleus. The energy of these rays is not the
criteria.
One would suppose that the energy contained within the
r
The more you say, the worse it gets.
2014-05-18 11:07 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell :
> Xanthoulis was bragging in the press that he steals trade secrets from
> his business partners.
>
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Let us extend this line of logic a bit more.
If a partner of one joint venture was engaged with another company while
still in that partnership to produce a device that is similar in function
to the product that was the commercialized object of the original
partnership, is that side activity to
The partnership between Rossi and DGT had be terminated when the alleged
act occurred and is therefore not a violation of the partnership.
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
> The more you say, the worse it gets.
>
>
> 2014-05-18 11:07 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell :
>
> Xanthoulis
I allege the Gamberale was aiding another company to produce a LENR device
while in a joint venture with DGT and that is way the Mose/DGT joint
venture was dissolved.
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Axil Axil wrote:
> Let us extend this line of logic a bit more.
>
>
>
> If a partner of one jo
Yes, I also allege that. I wanted to get in there subtly, but as my wife
says, I am not subtle!
2014-05-18 12:14 GMT-03:00 Axil Axil :
> I allege the Gamberale was aiding another company to produce a LENR device
> while in a joint venture with DGT and that is way the Mose/DGT joint
> venture was
Axil Axil wrote:
I allege the Gamberale was aiding another company to produce a LENR device
> while in a joint venture with DGT and that is way the Mose/DGT joint
> venture was dissolved.
>
Okay. Do you have any evidence for that? Any corroboration?
I assume that is a joke. It is not funny.
-
Daniel Rocha wrote:
> The more you say, the worse it gets.
>
>
> 2014-05-18 11:07 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell :
>
> Xanthoulis was bragging in the press that he steals trade secrets from
>> his business partners.
>>
>
You mean when I repeat what Xanthoulis himself said in press interviews,
that make
You are taking a very vicious interpretation from something inocous that he
said.
2014-05-18 12:57 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell :
> You mean when I repeat what Xanthoulis himself said in press interviews,
> that makes my case worse? I do not think so.
>
> You are saying that we cannot believe what Xan
I wrote:
It Defkalion did not prevent these tests, I think it is up to them to
> publish a statement explaining why the tests were not done until after
> ICCF18. Let them tell their version of the story.
>
To be fair, I should point out that Xanthoulis indirectly addressed the
"gentlemen's agreem
Daniel Rocha wrote:
You are taking a very vicious interpretation from something inocous that he
> said.
>
No, his statement was quite clear. I discussed it with Rossi and with some
of the potential customers Defkalion and DE were negotiating with. Rossi
said he did not believe Defkalion had mana
You said once he was not technologically savvy and now you trust him. Of
course, that might refer to people who gave him an information, but that
just changed the subject of the sentence, not the issue you raised.
And I keep wondering what these memos you are referring to. If that's from
NASA, I'd
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
> Xanthoulis was bragging in the press that he steals trade secrets from
> his business partners. You would be crazy to sign a contract with someone
> who says that.
>
>
>
He claimed that DGT learned Rossi's trade secret. He did not say DGT
Daniel Rocha wrote:
You said once he was not technologically savvy and now you trust him.
>
I do not trust him. I am saying that if he was telling the truth that they
stole the trade secrets, he is unethical. If he was lying and they did not
steal any secrets, he is crazy. By saying that, he fri
2014-05-18 14:08 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell :
>
> He is not technologically savvy because he said that the cell temperature
> can be used to measure heat even when the flow rate is not known. That is
> incorrect.
>
>
>
>>
>> Oh, but Rossi did that too with the hot cat too!
>
> The memos had nothing
H Veeder wrote:
> He claimed that DGT learned Rossi's trade secret. He did not say DGT
> "stole" it. He stated this publicly because he wanted to persuade people
> that DGT could build a working reactor without Rossi's help.
>
He said they examined the powder with a mass spec in violation of
ag
Daniel Rocha wrote:
> He is not technologically savvy because he said that the cell
>> temperature can be used to measure heat even when the flow rate is not
>> known. That is incorrect.
>>
>>>
>>> Oh, but Rossi did that too with the hot cat too!
>
As far as I know, Rossi has not used flow cal
See, temperature can be used to measure energy. You agree with Xanthoulis.
You just had to calm down a little bit :)
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
BTW, it was not a big deal that Defkalion did mass spectrometry. Remember:
Rossi showed one to Krivit:
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/37/3726appendixd4.shtml
And as I said, it's easy to copy Rossi, and mass spectrometry do not help
much with that.
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.
I should not respond but . . .
Daniel Rocha wrote:
See, temperature can be used to measure energy. You agree with Xanthoulis.
>
Do you speak language?
Do you have the slightest idea what you are babbling about? Have you ever
looked at a flow calorimeter, or the data from one?
Maybe you are jo
A newly-found paper, coincidence, metaphor and side notes are converging
into a new "diproton plus halo" explanation for deuterium-to-helium "slow
fusion" sans gamma.
My apology to Ed Storms if this reflects his own viewpoint, but in fact it
came up as an alternative way to arrive at a defensibl
I meant to write: "you are out of line flooding this forum with nonsense."
I mean that. This is not the place for empty rhetoric, or tit-for-tat
zero-sum argumentation. If you do not understand why the flow rate affects
the cell wall temperature, please try to learn. Do not reflexively deny
that fa
He said measuring the temperature of the cell. He doesn't say on what
conditions. You assume with flow.
I am serious. I am not cursing you, I am not telling you a liar, ad
mouthing you, I am seeing problems with your assumptions and how you build
the arguments from there, speaking about them.
20
Yes, this is aprox. the idea I developed with Akito. The fusing atoms are
like mini neutron stars.
2014-05-18 15:36 GMT-03:00 Jones Beene :
>
> This explanation would be that D+D occasionally forms
> incompletely, not as 4He but instead as a two proton core - the diproton
> speci
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
Instead, the "diproton plus halo" explanation sees EUV coming from
> electrogravitational collapse of transient halo neutrons into a diproton
> core.
>
Is gravity integral to this halo neutron explanation?
Eric
I don't know what Jones will answer, but the equations for gravity near a
neutron star are similar, as a 1st aprox., to Maxwell equations.
2014-05-18 16:01 GMT-03:00 Eric Walker :
> On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
>
> Instead, the "diproton plus halo" explanation sees EUV c
My statement is an allegation in the same way that all your assertions are
based on your allegations. I will attempt to substantiate this allegation
to arrive at a more perfect truth. The level of infidelity in a partnership
my be relatively slight and need not be as rigorous as the types of
alleg
I have said many times that I know Rossi's trade secrets as a result of the
unguarded things that Rossi says publicly. At the next level, I am not
privy to the vast amount of information the Jed gets from private sources
that he uses to support his statements, allegations and system ideas.. When
a
"He said they examined the powder with a mass spec in violation of
agreements with Rossi, and without Rossi's knowledge"
Agreements made in a joint venture are null and void after the partnership
is terminated by the principle party(Rossi) on any information producing
activity that occurs after th
Daniel Rocha wrote:
He said measuring the temperature of the cell. He doesn't say on what
> conditions. You assume with flow.
>
He was talking about the ICCF18 demonstration, in which flow calorimetry
was used. He was responding to the Gamberale report. Let me repeat the
quote:
*I called Alexan
Axil Axil wrote:
"He said they examined the powder with a mass spec in violation of
> agreements with Rossi, and without Rossi's knowledge"
>
> Agreements made in a joint venture are null and void after the partnership
> is terminated by the principle party(Rossi) on any information producing
> a
If DGT terminated the joint venture to the financial disadvantage of Mose,
then Mose should take DGT to court to recover damages by presenting proof
of such damages.
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Daniel Rocha wrote:
>
> He said measuring the temperature of the cell. He
>From the DGT web page:
"NEW ANNOUNCEMENT
SUBJECT: MATS LEWAN & LUCAS GAMBERALE REPORTS "DEFKALION DEMO PROVEN
NOT TO BE RELIABLE".
DEFKALION HAS EVALUATED THE SITUATION, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE
POSSIBLE HIDDEN INTERESTS AND AGENDAS BEHIND SUCH REPORTS AND
INTERVIEWS, THAT ONLY SHOW PARTIALLY
Axil Axil wrote:
I have said many times that I know Rossi's trade secrets as a result of the
> unguarded things that Rossi says publicly.
>
I doubt that you do. I do not think you can replicate one of his cells. The
people at Defkalion cannot replicate one.
> At the next level, I am not pri
Since fold fusion is currently not a valid technology from a legal point of
view, any process that get information about the process is not illegal.
It's every man for himself since cold fusion is currently outside of the
protection of the legal system.
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Jed Rothw
Axil Axil wrote:
> If DGT terminated the joint venture to the financial disadvantage of Mose,
> then Mose should take DGT to court to recover damages by presenting proof
> of such damages.
>
I believe the people at the joint venture itself terminated it themselves,
after they learned that the p
Cold fusion replication has no legal standing and is totally subjective in
the mind of the observer. There has been no regulatory standards establish
to judge when a could fusion system is working and when it is not working.
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Axil Axil wrot
Axil Axil wrote:
Since fold fusion is currently not a valid technology from a legal point of
> view, any process that get information about the process is not illegal.
>
That can't be true! That argument would never stand up in court. A court
cannot decide what is "valid technology" or scientifi
A legal action cannot be made in the field of could fusion because it is
not a recognized and commercializeable technology.
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Axil Axil wrote:
>
>
>> If DGT terminated the joint venture to the financial disadvantage of
>> Mose, then Mose sho
Cold fusion is in the same legal position as the Santa clause character in
the movie, the *Miracle* on *34th Street* .
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Axil Axil wrote:
>
> Since fold fusion is currently not a valid technology from a legal point
>> of view, any process th
Axil Axil wrote:
Cold fusion replication has no legal standing and is totally subjective in
> the mind of the observer.
>
That makes no difference at all. As I said, you can be sued for stealing a
trade secret consisting of marketing plans and advertising jingles, or a
movie script. Those are to
What startles me it is the supposition that all, ALL, controversial issues
surrounding Rossi, is the result of naivete from all parties. Like a
competition to who can be the most idiot
2014-05-18 17:11 GMT-03:00 Axil Axil :
>
>
> A legal action cannot be made in the field of could fusion because
The currently excepted position of society is that Cold fusion is an
invalid non patentable dream or fantasy. You cannot steal information about
a dream or a fantasy.
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Axil Axil wrote:
>
> Cold fusion replication has no legal standing and i
Lewan might well be writing about the system development processes of Puss
and Boots as far as the "real world" is concerned..
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
> The currently excepted position of society is that Cold fusion is an
> invalid non patentable dream or fantasy. You
Currently, the rules in the field of cold fusion are what we say they are.
I say that Jed's roles are malarkey. I like my rules better.
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
> Lewan might well be writing about the system development processes of
> Puss and Boots as far as the "real
From: Eric Walker
Instead, the "diproton plus halo" explanation sees EUV coming from
electrogravitational collapse of transient halo neutrons into a diproton
core.
Is gravity integral to this halo neutron explanation?
Only in the sense of electrogravity – as a unification of grav
Sounds good.
But to fit observed tritium production you also must
have an halo nucleus for tritium.
And if the neutrons spiral down
(quantified) emitting EUV in the beginning the size are shrinking and
there would be x-rays and at gamma at the end.
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sun, 18 May 2014 11:36:19 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
>It builds on the insight of Bob, Dave and Robin that "exclusivity" to one
>channel can be ingrained if the QM reaction can happen only in a reversed
>mode where energy release precedes actual fusion as an operative c
-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com
> Why invoke electrogravity when the normal nuclear force will do just fine?
Note that the neutrons in the deuterons are already within range of this
force, as the deuteron is already bound.
Yes, of course. That's the basic problem. The nucleu
Good points.
However, tritium could result from a completely different type of LENR reaction
than helium (4He). 3He, if seen, would then be the decay product of tritium.
Tritium is seen in Farnsworth Fusor, for instance and zero helium is seen -
indicating that a different channel that
Daniel Rocha wrote:
What startles me it is the supposition that all, ALL, controversial issues
> surrounding Rossi, is the result of naivete from all parties. Like a
> competition to who can be the most idiot
>
Yeah, I agree. I sympathize with Gamberale. He seems smart and honest, and
I believe
If it looks, acts, quacks, flies, and waddles like a duck, chances are it's
a friggin' duck!
J
http://phys.org/news/2014-05-fast-curious-electrons-hurtle-interior.html
"The resulting data revealed each electron as two cones oriented opposite
each other that converge at a point, ."
Electr
Just a FYI for those interested in superconductors and gravity.
http://nextbigfuture.com/2014/05/update-on-podkletnov-gravity.html
-mark
It says it's in a peer reviewed journal but doesn't say which one...
"After careful testing, Podkletnov has found the speed of the antigravity
impulse to be approximately 64 times the speed of light (64c), which he
indicates does not conflict with modern interpretations of Relativity
Theory."
***I
Terry Blanton wrote:
> DEFKALION HAS EVALUATED THE SITUATION, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE
> POSSIBLE HIDDEN INTERESTS AND AGENDAS BEHIND SUCH REPORTS AND
> INTERVIEWS . . .
That's hilarious. Hidden interests and agendas? Defkalion Europe (DE)
warned their customers the thing does not work and th
What they say is true.
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sat, 17 May 2014 16:39:46 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
>-Original Message-
>From: mix...@bigpond.com
>
>> I don't think Ed was necessarily claiming that the method of energy loss
>was through conversion of electron mass.
>
>
>Well Robin, he did say the energy in
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Sat, 17 May 2014 20:06:20 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
>I'm not sure what other forces are thought to be at play, but I think that
>Ed believes the cracks in his theory to be responsible or partly
>responsible for confining the precursors to a single dimension.
>
What has
To make your points more meaningful, please follow the example of this
front line journalist and provide a timeline and a complete list of
characters as was done here.
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/Chronology-and-Dramatis-Personae-in-Andrea-Rossis-Confidence-Game.shtml
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