Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

2020-02-12 Thread Jonathan Berry
A very good video on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrqRAtViUZw Warning, vaccines might make it worse! On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 3:17 PM Terry Blanton wrote: > > > > On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 7:19 PM Jonathan Berry wrote: > > > >

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

2020-02-11 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 7:19 PM Jonathan Berry wrote: > > https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/coronavirus-in-china-20-million-quarantined-2-8-million-infected-112-000-dead Not the best of sources https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner but doesn't mean it isn't

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

2020-02-11 Thread mixent
In reply to Jonathan Berry's message of Wed, 12 Feb 2020 13:18:50 +1300: Hi, [snip] >https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/coronavirus-in-china-20-million-quarantined-2-8-million-infected-112-000-dead > >Maybe people are dying because there is no food, no trucks

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

2020-02-11 Thread Jonathan Berry
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/coronavirus-in-china-20-million-quarantined-2-8-million-infected-112-000-dead Maybe people are dying because there is no food, no trucks allowed in to bring it?! Admittedly I wouldn't expect people to be dead yet in any real

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

2020-02-11 Thread Jonathan Berry
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10933910/china-accused-major-coronavirus-cover-up-chilling-satellite-pics/ You can see the SO2 levels in the map... Ok, let's consider, I just read that 1% of people in the US are hospitalized with the flu.

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

2020-02-11 Thread Terry Blanton
Similar virus have surface persistence of 5 days. https://mbio.asm.org/content/6/6/e01697-15 Always know the source of your Amazon shipments. :) > >

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

2020-02-11 Thread Jonathan Berry
Yes, but again there IS such a rumor. And I was thinking about it and it wouldn't be that hard to cover it up to a degree, if you consider that a lot of people who would miss a particular victim are now also dead. Consider a network of interconnected nodes with more local than distant

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

2020-02-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jonathan Berry wrote: > Along with the lockdown and arrests... Welding building shut... > > If the Virus isn't higher than 2-3% fatality, then I think they are > probably using it as an excuse to kill off some of their population > under the guise of a virus. > Such things are not happening,

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

2020-02-10 Thread Jonathan Berry
One crematorium manager told a Hong Kong reporter that, in normal times, his 24 ovens were lit five days a week for four hours at a time. Now, he said, they have so many corpses to deal with that all the ovens are going around the clock. (not sure if this is the same man as above or an

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

2020-02-10 Thread Jonathan Berry
Further support for the potential that it's worse than we know... https://www.ccn.com/coronavirus-death-smog-is-china-burning-thousands-of-infected-bodies/ Data has suggested a massive amount of sulfur dioxide is being released into the air. Sulfur concentration is especially high around Wuhan

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

2020-02-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
wrote: > Also the numbers are too low because of people that are infected and die > away from medical care and thus don't get > included in the statistics. > The number of people who die is too low for this reason. But, the number of people who get sick and get no medical care is far higher

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

2020-02-09 Thread mixent
In reply to Jonathan Berry's message of Mon, 10 Feb 2020 07:44:04 +1300: Hi, Note that when deriving the mortality rate, one needs to take into account the time it takes an average victim to die. E.g. if that is 2 weeks, then the deaths now need to be compared with the number of people that

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

2020-02-09 Thread Jonathan Berry
If it's just a slightly worse flu, these would be bizarre over-reactions from a Government that was initially very laidback. At any rate I wrote this last night and am sending the almost still up to date figures now: Infected: 37,553 nowish 30,000 2 days ago 20,000 5 days ago Despite the

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

2020-02-08 Thread Terry Blanton
Some good news: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/08/misinformation-coronavirus-contagious-infections and some not so good: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7980883/Video-shows-officials-protective-suits-dragging-suspected-coronavirus-carriers-homes.html >

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

2020-02-07 Thread Jonathan Berry
https://www.ccn.com/alleged-tencent-leak-suggests-coronavirus-death-toll-spiraling-to-25000/ This has additional links to other videos: There have been multiple reports of Wuhan officials cremating deceased coronavirus victims before they could be added to the official death toll. The Wall

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

2020-02-06 Thread Jonathan Berry
But you are saying it can't be true because it would have leaked out... But it HAS leaked out! Also, there is a difference between tryig to cover up a single item of news .vs covering up a statistic which is kinda easy to cover up. And the number of dead is hardly huge by the numbers involved in

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

2020-02-06 Thread Terry Blanton
Also, I recall the scene in "Contagion" (2011) where Matt Damon is trying to arrange for the burial of his wife, one of the first victims of the pandemic; and, the hospital informs him that the "government directive" is that all victims of the virus are to be cremated. On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 5:53

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

2020-02-06 Thread Terry Blanton
The problem is that people are dying in their homes undiagnosed. There are several stories of people seeking help for a family member and, finding no hospital beds available, they take them home to die. It reminds me of a song called "Two Tribes (Annihilation)" by Frankie Goes to Hollywood: (If

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

2020-02-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: > The population for China is over 1.4 billion. Thus, in a normal year with > normal flu rates, they would expect more than 10 million deaths from all > causes. > > Since there are normally almost one million deaths per month in China > expected - and being dealt with by the

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

2020-02-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: > I am pretty sure news of it would leak out. Many dreadful false rumors are > spreading. News that is both dreadful and true would leak out, I think. > Just now, Chinese and world mass media reported: A doctor who was among the first to warn about the coronavirus outbreak, only to be

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

2020-02-06 Thread Jones Beene
Yes 2.1 deaths per hundred Chinese (from all causes) is two high - that figure was from the 1960s and they have made great progress since then, but the conclusion that the rate presently due to coronavirus is much higher (than being officially admitted) may be valid since the deaths quoted in

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

2020-02-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: The normal death rate for China before this tragedy is at least 2.1 % > according to Wiki the wise. > That seems high. Wouldn't that mean the average lifespan is 48 years? It is 78 years, and the median age is 37, so I don't see how 2.1% per year could be dying. See:

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

2020-02-06 Thread Jonathan Berry
Well, there was this study where 15% died: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext Seems that the rate could be 15-30% rather than the 2.3% that has been promoted. Given the HUGE 85% infection rate (85% exposed become infected) this could, if it breaks

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

2020-02-06 Thread Jones Beene
The normal death rate for China before this tragedy is at least 2.1 % according to Wiki the wise. The population of Wuhan alone is over 11 million. (I had no idea it was that large). Thus in a normal year the local infrastructure handles over 230,000 deaths. Presumably most deaths are

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

2020-02-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
This report indicates there may be 25,000 dead. I think such large numbers would impossible to cover up. They could only be dealt with by mass burials with machinery, like after a large battle in war. Most people in China nowadays have cell phones with cameras. Photos and accounts would circulate.

[Vo]:[OT] Vipervirus Truth?

2020-02-06 Thread Terry Blanton
*Tencent may have accidentally leaked real data on Wuhan virus deaths* *Tencent briefly lists 154,023 infections and 24,589 deaths from Wuhan coronavirus* https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3871594