Re: [Vo]:Contropedia

2010-01-30 Thread John Berry
I disagree that a person can not see the mote in his own eye so to speak. I generally know when I'm being biased and if you don't know then research, logic and truth can soon find it more often than not. I think the important thing is to have integrity or at least a desire for integrity/truth

Re: [Vo]:Contropedia

2010-01-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
John Berry wrote: An encyclopedia can either give a biased answer/opinion/pov/conclusion that the reader should ignore, or give no answer/opinion/pov/conclusion presenting all sides letting reader choose. I do not believe it is possible for anyone to have an unbiased point of view, or even to

Re: [Vo]:Contropedia

2010-01-28 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:41 PM 1/27/2010, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: It's really an aspect of the problem of scale. Those who could do something about it are overwhelmed and must make snap judgments, so when an issue is complex, really bad decisions are made. This is true, and it is

Re: [Vo]:Contropedia

2010-01-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
John Berry wrote: The article on cold fusion is (without checking I feel confident in saying) decent. I'm sure many well established physicists would agree with it. Naa. It is indecent. Seriously, I will grant it is thorough, but it is so filled with unfounded, torturously argued skeptical

Re: [Vo]:Contropedia

2010-01-28 Thread John Berry
But that's my point, it's decent as an article and for a biased piece of crap it's a shining example. My point is only that it would get the tick of approval of say Parksie (I assume) or any other pathological skeptic. It's not of poor quality and you agreed that Britanica is worse. If Nature

Re: [Vo]:Contropedia

2010-01-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
John Berry wrote: I think the only issue is that people would assume that Wikipedia may be free of the influences of corruption, power and academic dishonestly to a greater extent than the above and oddly it is not, that's the issue not the quality but the bias and only because Wikipedia

Re: [Vo]:Contropedia

2010-01-28 Thread John Berry
Interestingly if you pitched the idea of Wikipedia to anyone before it existed and assured them there would be enough interest, the main objection would be that there would be too much freedom and that it would be full of far too much crazy out there and just plain moronic info. Instead of

Re: [Vo]:Contropedia

2010-01-27 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/27/2010 12:57 AM, Steven Krivit wrote: At 02:27 PM 1/26/2010, you wrote: Just ignore it. Don't mess with free speech. I am editing papers for a REAL encyclopedia. Every once in a while authors will submit papers that include references to Wikipedia. I tell them all that such

Re: [Vo]:Contropedia

2010-01-27 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
It’s been my experience that whenever a subject being researched is initially perceived in black white terms, there seems to be a tendency to filter the sources. In such cases it doesn’t seem to matter all that much what sources one uses as “references.” As the old saying goes: Get a second

Re: [Vo]:Contropedia

2010-01-27 Thread Jed Rothwell
Steven Krivit wrote: I am editing papers for a REAL encyclopedia. Every once in a while authors will submit papers that include references to Wikipedia. I tell them all that such references are unacceptable. End of story. I have edited many books and papers. I might suggest that an authors

Re: [Vo]:Contropedia

2010-01-27 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:35 AM 1/27/2010, Jed Rothwell wrote: There was a well publicized comparison made of Britannica versus Wikipedia a few years ago. Conclusion: Wikipedia is about as good a source of accurate information as Britannica, the venerable standard-bearer of facts about the world around us,

Re: [Vo]:Contropedia

2010-01-27 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
I recommend Wikipedia be renamed to OAHpedia. That's pronounced as: Oh Pedia * * The OAH stands for occasionally accurate hearsay. Do I hear a second? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Contropedia

2010-01-27 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/27/2010 04:48 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: I recommend Wikipedia be renamed to OAHpedia. That's pronounced as: Oh Pedia * * The OAH stands for occasionally accurate hearsay. Do I hear a second? If you care enough to check sources, an awful lot of the facts in

Re: [Vo]:Contropedia

2010-01-27 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Stephen sez: I recommend Wikipedia be renamed to OAHpedia. That's pronounced as: Oh Pedia * * The OAH stands for occasionally accurate hearsay. Do I hear a second? If you care enough to check sources, an awful lot of the facts in Wikipedia are referenced to external sources. That's

Re: [Vo]:Contropedia

2010-01-27 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: It's really an aspect of the problem of scale. Those who could do something about it are overwhelmed and must make snap judgments, so when an issue is complex, really bad decisions are made. This is true, and it is difficult problem. Sometimes, this is what causes

Re: [Vo]:Contropedia

2010-01-27 Thread Steven Krivit
This is my preferred encyclopedia: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Main_Page

[Vo]:Contropedia

2010-01-26 Thread Terry Blanton
http://www.bolenreport.com/feature_articles/feature_article088.htm Wikipedia Doesn't Like Me ... Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen Saturday, January 2nd, 2010 Wikipedia's General Counsel, Mike Godwin, is sending me nasty emails. Apparently he doesn't like me telling people how bad

Re: [Vo]:Contropedia

2010-01-26 Thread Gibson Elliot
Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com Subject: [Vo]:Contropedia To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 8:42 AM http://www.bolenreport.com/feature_articles/feature_article088.htm Wikipedia Doesn't Like Me ... Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen Saturday, January 2nd, 2010 Wikipedia's

Re: [Vo]:Contropedia

2010-01-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
I agree with this guy Bolen that many Wikipedia articles are anti-intellectual, but filing suits against Wikipeida is WAY over the line. That is not how to respond! Just ignore it. Don't mess with free speech. In a few cases vandals at Wikipedia defamed people. I think they have put in place

Re: [Vo]:Contropedia

2010-01-26 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/26/2010 05:27 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: These people are extremists but so are the editors of the Scientific American, the Executive Director of the AIP and many others. Filing lawsuits would not improve this situation even if it were not a violation of free speech. They're not the

Re: [Vo]:Contropedia

2010-01-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: THAT is what Free Speech is about -- not about your right to get your message out on the Internet free of interference from private individuals who disagree with you. However, private individuals and corporations cannot interfere with web sites they do not own.

Re: [Vo]:Contropedia

2010-01-26 Thread Terry Blanton
As they say, You vote with your dollar. I used to be a regular contributor to Wikipedia; but, have reduced my contributions significantly because there seem to be people who spend their day full time defending their positions. I can only wonder who is paying them. It is no longer me. T

Re: [Vo]:Contropedia

2010-01-26 Thread Steven Krivit
At 02:27 PM 1/26/2010, you wrote: Just ignore it. Don't mess with free speech. I am editing papers for a REAL encyclopedia. Every once in a while authors will submit papers that include references to Wikipedia. I tell them all that such references are unacceptable. End of story. s