Re: [Vo]:Mengoli paper

2009-05-09 Thread thomas malloy
Harry Veeder wrote: 2009/5/7, Jed Rothwell : I wrote: This is rather frustrating to me. Here we have a drop it down a well, because practically no one is going to pay that kind of money for information on cold fusion. Have they considered selling a CD version or making it

Re: [Vo]:Mengoli paper and the normalization question

2009-05-09 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Fri, 08 May 2009 11:07:04 -0400: Hi Jed, [snip] >I should add that Martin Fleischmann also thinks >highly of Mengoli. He considers him one of the >world's top electrochemists. Mengoli retired several years ago. > >At issue has arisen in the discussion of thi

Re: [Vo]:Mengoli paper and the normalization question

2009-05-09 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sat, 9 May 2009 06:04:41 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] >By "always there" - this would imply that it serves as a "trigger" for D+D >fusion, where the hot alpha from the Pd reacts with an adjacent 'target >deuteron' - which is kind of a like nanoscale inertial confi

Re: [Vo]:Mengoli paper and the normalization question

2009-05-09 Thread Jones Beene
- Original Message > From: Robin van Spaandonk In reply to Jones Beene's message > >IOW - the simplest explanation for LENR is that it is the result of a version of the Oppenheimer-Phillips effect - such that the neutron is "stripped" non-thermally from deuterium, due to containment a

Re: [Vo]:Mengoli paper and the normalization question

2009-05-08 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Fri, 8 May 2009 08:29:33 -0700: Hi, [snip] >IOW - the simplest explanation for LENR is that it is the result of a >version of the Oppenheimer-Phillips effect - such that the neutron is >"stripped" non-thermally from deuterium, due to containment and near field

Re: [Vo]:Mengoli paper

2009-05-08 Thread Michel Jullian
2009/5/8 Jed Rothwell : > Michel Jullian wrote: > >> The results look too good to be true > > These people do excellent work. Melich and I have a high opinion of them. So did one of the 2004 DOE reviewers I see ( http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/DOEusdepartme.pdf ), here is a quote of reviewer #4

RE: [Vo]:Mengoli paper and the normalization question

2009-05-08 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell "the palladium isn't the fuel, it's just a catalyst." That is true. Or at least, we hope that is true. I am NOT a big believer in Ockhams razor, but it firmly suggests that palladium is the fuel. IOW - the simplest explanation for LENR is that it i

[Vo]:Mengoli paper and the normalization question

2009-05-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
I should add that Martin Fleischmann also thinks highly of Mengoli. He considers him one of the world's top electrochemists. Mengoli retired several years ago. At issue has arisen in the discussion of this paper and in my earlier message "Rough comparison of cold fusion Pd to UO2." The questi

Re: [Vo]:Mengoli paper

2009-05-07 Thread mixent
In reply to grok's message of Thu, 7 May 2009 15:13:47 -0700: Hi, [snip] >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >Hash: SHA1 > > >> The major achievement of this work is to have devised a temperature >> range in which the generation of excess power is a totally reproducible >> phenomenon. In fact, onl

Re: [Vo]:Mengoli paper

2009-05-07 Thread Harry Veeder
> > 2009/5/7, Jed Rothwell : > > I wrote: > > This is rather frustrating to me. Here we have a > > spectacular paper buried in the literature, and > > unavailable on the net. Add to this the set of > > papers edited and published in a hardback book by > > Marwan and Krivit at last year's ACS, an

Re: [Vo]:Mengoli paper

2009-05-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Michel Jullian wrote: The results look too good to be true These people do excellent work. Melich and I have a high opinion of them. These results are not "too good" at all; they are in line with Roulette, Fleischmann and Pons' high heat results. . . . if excess heat of this magnitude > had be

Re: [Vo]:Mengoli paper

2009-05-07 Thread Michel Jullian
The results look too good to be true, if excess heat of this magnitude had been reproducible since 1998 the fight for recognition of CF would have been won ten yrs ago obviously. Regarding notation, with all the papers you've been editing I just can't believe you can be so unit-challenged! In any

Re: [Vo]:Mengoli paper

2009-05-07 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > The major achievement of this work is to have devised a temperature > range in which the generation of excess power is a totally reproducible > phenomenon. In fact, only a reproducible phenomenon can be investigated > successfully, due to its depend

Re: [Vo]:Mengoli paper

2009-05-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: Important results: Table 3, describing run 3: There are many other important results. I am working on understanding run #3, or what they call "Exp. 3" now. Their comments: "3.2.3. Exp. 3 Pd strip cathode characteristics: dimensions, (1.27 x 4.16 × 0.02) cm3; weight, 1.226 g. E

[Vo]:Mengoli paper

2009-05-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Okay, I figured out the notation in this Mengoli paper, that I accidentally discussed here this morning. Title: Mengoli, G., et al., Calorimetry close to the boiling temperature of the D2O/Pd electrolytic system. J. Electroanal. Chem., 1998. 444: p. 155. The notation must be European I suppo