Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-08 Thread blaze spinnaker
What part of the analysis am I getting wrong? The problem with futures is storage fees tend to overwhelm price movements. Plus the nickel promised by those futures might not even be the type of nickel you can use for LENR. If you were going to use the market, I'd look more at nickel miners who

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-08 Thread David Roberson
expectations. Dave -Original Message- From: blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 8, 2013 8:18 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27% What part of the analysis am I getting wrong? The problem

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-08 Thread blaze spinnaker
expectations. Dave -Original Message- From: blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 8, 2013 8:18 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27% What part of the analysis am I getting wrong

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-08 Thread David Roberson
]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27% I suspect the biggest impact will be on such uneconomical (and highly polluting) energy sources such as the Oil Sands in Canada. Buying long term put options on those seems like a smart play (with appropriate inflation hedges

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-08 Thread Axil Axil
spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 8, 2013 10:33 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27% I suspect the biggest impact will be on such uneconomical (and highly polluting) energy sources such as the Oil Sands

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-08 Thread Axil Axil
: Thu, Aug 8, 2013 10:33 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27% I suspect the biggest impact will be on such uneconomical (and highly polluting) energy sources such as the Oil Sands in Canada. Buying long term put options on those seems like

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-08 Thread ChemE Stewart
potentials. Dave -Original Message- From: blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 8, 2013 10:33 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27% I suspect the biggest impact

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-08 Thread David Roberson
@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 8, 2013 12:07 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27% I think our atmosphere will be artificial also. Too many germs in our current one On Thursday, August 8, 2013, Axil Axil wrote: Once science understands and gainstotal

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-08 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 5:18 AM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: Of course, another possibility may be that LENR isn't real so the market is ignoring it. The thought occurred to me. But even if the majority of people didn't think LENR is real, I assume that a portion of them

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-07 Thread Alain Sepeda
when people want to make good decision they need good information. when people advise you but have no flesh in the game, they migh fall into wishfull thinking, conformist vision, submission to consensus by fear. betting, like investing have been observing as less delusional, and information from

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-07 Thread blaze spinnaker
The reason is to inject reality into the conversation. I am thinking of a new formation of a bet. A generally accepted detailed description of a consistently reproducible experiment which can perform a COP of 2 for over 24 hours (that is total energy in is 1/2 of total energy out). By

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-07 Thread Teslaalset
You don't need to look any further then. Take a heat pump and you have something to celebrate. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 12:02 PM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: The reason is to inject reality into the conversation. I am thinking of a new formation of a bet. A generally

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-07 Thread blaze spinnaker
Yeah? A heat pump uses LENR+? Huh. And here I thought it was pumping heat. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 3:58 AM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comwrote: You don't need to look any further then. Take a heat pump and you have something to celebrate. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 12:02 PM, blaze

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-07 Thread Teslaalset
In case you're also not familiar with Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_pump Heat pumps are used to provide heating because less high-grade energy is required for their operation than appears in the released heat. Most of the energy for heating comes from the external environment, and only

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-07 Thread blaze spinnaker
It's not wiki, it's Wikipedia. Woo, I can say obvious things too, look at that. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 6:53 AM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comwrote: In case you're also not familiar with Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_pump Heat pumps are used to provide heating because

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: about LENR I have another fear. It is an easy bet to claim LENR is real, and LENR+ will be industrial one day. the problem is that this depend on the opinion of a huge mass of delusional people, who can infinitely impede the recognition and

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: A generally accepted detailed description of a consistently reproducible experiment . . . How consistent? As consistent as transistors were in 1954? As consistent as a Model T crank starter, or would you demand something like a production

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: As my late mother said, people responding to polls tend to say whatever pops into their heads at that moment. (She was an expert on public opinion research.) Seriously, she did say that, and she was an expert. See:

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-07 Thread blaze spinnaker
Such results were published in 1990 by McKubre and others. Really? Than why aren't the MFMP guys using that paper rather than reporting 5% excess energy with celani wires?

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-07 Thread Alain Sepeda
about death commando and dron I exxagerate, but it is based on fact. GMOP research in france is dead because of permanent harassement, destruction of tools, lobbying on mayors agains factoris and research... Same for shales. today in france research is forbidden on GMO and shales. not only usage,

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-07 Thread James Bowery
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 3:29 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: when people want to make good decision they need good information. when people advise you but have no flesh in the game, they migh fall into wishfull thinking, conformist vision, submission to consensus by fear. And

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-07 Thread Alain Sepeda
because they try to fight the delusion... we all do. Taleb says that for something serious, 1 or 2 evidence is enough... I put FP longchampt, someone else put McKubre and Miley... some bockris and BARC... Elforsk test is positive, no serious doubt... just mental wank and lazy reader who

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Such results were published in 1990 by McKubre and others. Really? Than why aren't the MFMP guys using that paper rather than reporting 5% excess energy with celani wires? For the reasons I described in my presentation at ICCF18. It takes most

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-07 Thread David Roberson
-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27% blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Such results were published in 1990 by McKubre and others. Really? Than why aren't the MFMP guys using that paper rather than reporting 5% excess energy with celani wires

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Apparently the attack on your site has begun. Someone may not want the information contained there distributed further. :-) If that attack is the best the government spooks can pull off, we have nothing to fear from the NSA. The hacker did not even

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-07 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 3:02 AM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: I am thinking of a new formation of a bet. Just to go off on a tangent here (I'm good for that), I'm open-minded about the possibilities of prediction markets. It seems like people have the ability to use bayesian

[Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-06 Thread blaze spinnaker
Given the various disappointments lately(weak defkalion demo, 'freeze on customer relations' by Luca, background research on various contributors, no interesting replications of Celani, etc), I'm currently re-adjusting my odds of Rossi/Defkalion being real lower. I was previously willing to give

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: I was previously willing to give 4:1(20%) odds and take 1:1(50%) that an article would be presented in a reputable journal As things stand I think there is no chance that any article will be published in a respectable journal or mass media

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-06 Thread blaze spinnaker
As things stand I think there is no chance that any article will be published in a respectable journal or mass media newspaper or website. Well, unless things have changed in the last few years to make cold fusion even more disreputable, this simply isn't true. I'll let Kevin fill you in on the

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-06 Thread blaze spinnaker
Anyways. Talk is cheap. If you think it's such a low chance - bet me! On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:48 AM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: As things stand I think there is no chance that any article will be published in a respectable journal or mass media newspaper or website.

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: As things stand I think there is no chance that any article will be published in a respectable journal or mass media newspaper or website. Well, unless things have changed in the last few years to make cold fusion even more disreputable, this

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-06 Thread blaze spinnaker
OK jed! On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:56 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: As things stand I think there is no chance that any article will be published in a respectable journal or mass media newspaper or website. Well, unless things

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-06 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Mark Gibbs demonstrated what happens to mainstream reporters who talk about cold fusion. I realize that he denies he was fired for talking about cold fusion, but I think he is being diplomatic. His last article said he planned to talk more about it, so he did not see this coming. ***That's the

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-06 Thread James Bowery
He didn't say he was fired. It could as easily have been a disagreement over editorial policy causing him to resign. There is a difference. Moreover, his statement does indicate this, rather than him being fired was what happened. On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:43 PM, Kevin O'Malley

Re: [Vo]:Re-adjusting odds on Rossi/Defkalion being real lower, now ~27%

2013-08-06 Thread Michael Hendrix
Forgive me for asking this, but what, exactly, is the point in making bets as to whether LENR is real, will come to market, will be published in a reputable journal, etc? For me, this line of discussion is a childish distraction. Go to Vegas. (Maybe Laughlin,would be more to your style). best