Jed Rothwell wrote:
Michel Jullian wrote:
One of their contributors is Mark Mills who is possibly the stupidest
individual I have ever come across. He vies for that title with the
anti-cold fusion flack Nate Hoffman.
Gary Taubes is several tacos short of a platter, but he is cunning and
Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
Second, this would put the Energy Fund beyond the reach of the
taxpayers, where no publicly funded organization should
They answer to no one, and they waste billions of dollars mainly on
lunatic environmental destruction: megaprojects that dump
Jed Rothwell wrote:
Michel Jullian wrote:
This makes a lot of sense, but how will the public vote between CF
and Joe Newman's machine or any other fringe research in practice?
Via some reality television program? (why not) And who/what will
guide their choice?
The public will have to
On May 30, 2007, at 10:56 PM, thomas malloy wrote:
I remember back in the '70's it appeared that the Japanese model of
picking emerging technologies, and then making investments of
public money was going to kick our butts, but they are in worse
shape then we are.
Despite their
thomas malloy wrote:
Amazing story Jed. Thank you for sharing it. Would it be fair to say
that they are attempting to make a Japanese garden out of the country?
They are attempting to convert the entire country into an ecological
wasteland. Not just attempting; they are succeeding on an
On May 29, 2007, at 3:12 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
In other words, the failure here is in the scientific community,
not in the national political leadership.
I suspect this is not entirely true. Some of the failure may be
due to lobbyists and political dogma.
True.
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From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:24 PM
Subject: [Vo]:Should Congress support cold fusion? I vote no!
...
But, by the same standard, I
suppose 1% of the public believes in perpetual motion machines
Michel Jullian wrote:
evolution, but I would not want to see government money spent on
creationism. (I suspect these polls exaggerate the support for
creationism.)
You're right Jed, the public believes in many silly things, so why
the hell do you want to rely on them to decide which
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To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 6:09 PM
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Michel Jullian wrote:
evolution, but I would not want to see government money spent
Horace Heffner wrote:
Honestly, I disagree with this policy. I do not think that any part
of government can or should be removed from the hand of politics.
Well, it was also the goal to get the energy fund entirely out of
government as well: When financially independent, and maybe sooner,
the
Greening Earth Society probably refers to increased vegetal production due to
increased CO2. Ingenious naming.
Michel
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From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Should Congress support cold
Michel Jullian wrote:
This makes a lot of sense, but how will the public vote between CF
and Joe Newman's machine or any other fringe research in practice?
Via some reality television program? (why not) And who/what will
guide their choice?
The public will have to educate itself by reading
Michel Jullian wrote:
Greening Earth Society probably refers to increased vegetal
production due to increased CO2. Ingenious naming.
Exactly right. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greening_Earth_Society
The Society website appears to be defunct:
http://www.greeningearthsociety.org/
It
In reply to Michel Jullian's message of Wed, 30 May 2007 12:35:01 +0200:
Hi,
[snip]
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From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:24 PM
Subject: [Vo]:Should Congress support cold fusion? I vote
On May 30, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
First, the people in this Energy Fund fund would be as political as
any other group of people or chimpanzees. Primates all engage in
politics, all of the time. Industry would buy off the Fund managers
as quickly as they subvert members of
Horace Heffner wrote:
Industry would buy off the Fund managers
as quickly as they subvert members of Congress.
Wrong. Fund managers don't face re-election.
Elected or not, they like money and they can be bought. Investment
fund managers at Merrill Lynch will bought and paid for by Enron.
On May 30, 2007, at 4:16 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
It was concrete and executable.
I do not think you can engineer a breakthrough. If we were talking
about building a new Internet or a highway system, with existing
technology or incremental improvements, then a centralized planning
and
Here is part of a message I just sent to some friends.
. . . This may sound strange coming from me, but I think it is
unreasonable for us to expect a congressman or government official to
support cold fusion research. In fact, I think it would be
irresponsible for a government official to
On May 29, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
In other words, the failure here is in the scientific community,
not in the national political leadership.
I suspect this is not entirely true. Some of the failure may be due
to lobbyists and political dogma. I doubt a reasonable
Horace Heffner wrote:
In other words, the failure here is in the scientific community,
not in the national political leadership.
I suspect this is not entirely true. Some of the failure may be due
to lobbyists and political dogma.
True. There is plenty of blame to go around. I should have
.
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From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 5:24:52 PM
Subject: [Vo]:Should Congress support cold fusion? I vote no!
Here is part of a message I just sent to some friends.
. . . This may sound strange coming from me, but I
PHILIP WINESTONE wrote:
I keep on saying it: Bring CF to the people - both investors and users -
emphatically not the government. Once a decent application is created . . .
If a decent application could be created, we would not be having this
discussion. If a researcher could make a cell
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