Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

Rich has always formed opinions with insufficient data . . . at least for the 15 or so years I have been on this list. T

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

At 12:07 AM 6/18/2011, Rich Murray wrote: Say, you two, what do you mean by, "Well, Rich, your underpants are showing." ? I asking, because I don't get it... It means that your personal bias is visible, what's underneath your opinions. I meant that I'm sure there's no excess heat in the Ros

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On 2011-06-15 00:47, Akira Shirakawa wrote: A "week of news" is incoming, apparently: http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/06/e-cat-settimana-di-novita-in-arrivo.html More detailed Google-translated info about what happened during Passerini's visit to Bologna this week. I actually find it answers

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

Say, you two, what do you mean by, "Well, Rich, your underpants are showing." ? I asking, because I don't get it... I meant that I'm sure there's no excess heat in the Rossi devices, and I mean it when I said I regret that. I prefer to state that I'm sure, rather than hedge my bets. I imagine th

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Well, Rich, your underpants are showing. > For which you can be thrown off an airplane. > Rossi, if nothing else and even if he turns out to be as phony as a > three-dollar bill, may have gotten us off our collective duffs. I think that > the lackadaisical attitude

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Jouni Valkonen wrote: > If I remember correctly, Mats Lewan weighted the water that was condensated > in the hose. > Lewan and I discussed that. As I recall he did not weigh it, and he did not take the temperature. That would be a sparge test. Then end of the hose was too far from the machine to

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

At 05:41 PM 6/17/2011, Rich Murray wrote: > 3) Has this recent exchange caused by Krivit's visit changed your opinion at all? Good or bad... It's made me more sure that there is no excess heat. Well, Rich, your underpants are showing. So to speak. Excess heat in nickel-hydrogen is not terr

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

At 05:33 PM 6/17/2011, Mark Iverson wrote: Fran, You summed it up quite well... I think the overall concensus of those vorts who have discussed the e-Cat tests agree that the dryness of the steam is a MAJOR source of concern and there are INADEQUATE explanations from the Rossi camp as to that

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If I remember correctly, Mats Lewan weighted the water that was condensated in the hose. It did not go to the sink. And also Rossi and Levi clearly stated that this issue has been considered, therefore it is not real problem, but only pseudoskepticism, I.e. criticism that does not have realistic ba

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

At 01:36 PM 6/17/2011, Roarty, Francis X wrote: OK, Everyone appears to be angry at Krivit I'm not angry with Krivit. At least not about this! but to be fair to the guy his line of questioning did seem to get back directly to the point where we left it on Vortex - My recollection was that we

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

At 04:04 PM 6/17/2011, you wrote: How easy is it really to get steam from 300 Watts only? The difference between 12kW and 300W must be obvious, even for the naked eye. I'd say that this is quite a naive understanding. First of all, what was the *peak* heating for that "12 kW" result? The Ny Te

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At 03:43 PM 6/17/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote: About those pseudoskeptics who doubt the dryness of the steam. Why they do not just boil water on the stove and then calculate the energy concumption from water used. If the setup resembles Rossi's setup, then it would be child's play to calculate p

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

On 2011-06-15 00:47, Akira Shirakawa wrote: A "week of news" is incoming, apparently: http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/06/e-cat-settimana-di-novita-in-arrivo.html More Google-translated info from 22passi: http://goo.gl/FvMnO Cheers, S.A.

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

> 1) Does Levi, et.al., understand the importance of the dry steam issue? They may be afraid to think about this show-stopping issue. > 2) If the answer to #1 is YES, then do you feel that adequate care was taken > in the tests we've seen > to establish that the steam was truly dry? Maybe they'

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

t exchange caused by Krivit's visit changed your opinion at all? Good or bad... -Mark -Original Message- From: Roarty, Francis X [mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com] Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 10:36 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiati

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

On 11-06-17 01:36 PM, Roarty, Francis X wrote: OK, Everyone appears to be angry at Krivit but to be fair to the guy his line of questioning did seem to get back directly to the point where we left it on Vortex - My recollection was that we decided the steam measurement was an unreliable calc

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The question was: are these 800 W the heating power for on or more Ecat? Passerini says that the current of 3.5 A (= 800 W) is related to one Ecat: Se scrivo l'E-Cat in funzione e non gli E-Cat in funzione ci sarà un motivo no!? (If I am writing E-Cat functioning and not E-Cats functioning, ther

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On 11-06-17 02:20 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Krivit has raised valid questions, no doubt about it. I'm not claiming there are no answers, but to attack him merely for asking? That's beyond the pale. Maybe. It's also typical of charlatans. The saga of Rossi and the Reactors has becom

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

How easy is it really to get steam from 300 Watts only? The difference between 12kW and 300W must be obvious, even for the naked eye. And no reports on input power? Is it measured at the plug, before whatever electronics he uses? Or at the input in the reactor? If the latest and if that is RF/puls

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About those pseudoskeptics who doubt the dryness of the steam. Why they do not just boil water on the stove and then calculate the energy concumption from water used. If the setup resembles Rossi's setup, then it would be child's play to calculate probable error margins. —Jouni

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Harry wrote: > Abd wrote: > > > > > > I understand that Rossi has reasons to avoid making everything plain and >clear. > > >However, that doesn't allow him to impugn the integrity >of a journalist. It > >makes him an asshole, even if he turns out to be a rich one. > > > I suspect Ross

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At 11:38 AM 6/17/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Regarding that, this an "open letter" (in English) from Giuseppe Levi to Steven Krivit that just got posted on 22passi (I feel it might be subject to slight grammer/wording changes, so I'm not copy/pasting it here). It appears that he is not please

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Abd wrote: > > I understand that Rossi has reasons to avoid making everything plain and > clear. >However, that doesn't allow him to impugn the integrity >of a journalist. It >makes him an asshole, even if he turns out to be a rich one. I suspect Rossi and Levi also feel their integrity has

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

-Original Message- > From: Akira Shirakawa [mailto:shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 11:39 AM > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative > > On 2011-06-17 16:22, Mark Iverson wrote: > > That's ridicul

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

At 05:45 AM 6/17/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote: On 2011-06-17 04:57, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I'd say, so far, so good. Let's hope he gets some decent answers. Krivit's preliminary report has been harshly criticized by Rossi: Look, it's obvious: Rossi is either crazy, or crazy like a fox. H

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n put to bed. Did I miss something? Fran -Original Message- From: Akira Shirakawa [mailto:shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 11:39 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative On 2011-06-17 16:22, Mark Iverson wrote: > That

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FYI http://translate.google.com/translate?tl=en&sourceid=ie8-activity&u=http%3A%2F%2F22passi.blogspot.com%2F2011%2F06%2Fquattro-gatti-e-sette-persone-3.html On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Akira Shirakawa wrote: > On 2011-06-17 16:22, Mark Iverson wrote: > >> That's ridiculous... I highly d

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On 2011-06-17 16:22, Mark Iverson wrote: That's ridiculous... I highly doubt that Krivit did anything like that... What is more likely is that Levi misunderstood something that Krivit said due to the language barrier. Steve mentioned in his report that he felt Levi had trouble understanding so

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>From Terry: > Krivit extorted Levi?!? I doubt that. Nevertheless, it would seem obvious that both Levi and Rossi are pissed off as a result of their contact with Krivit. At present we don't know why. We don't know the specifics. Perhaps Krivit will eventually clarify his POV on this matter at N

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On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Mark Iverson wrote: > That's ridiculous... I highly doubt that Krivit did anything like that... > What is more likely is > that Levi misunderstood something that Krivit said due to the language > barrier.  Steve mentioned in > his report that he felt Levi had tr

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aying. Interesting... -Mark -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 5:05 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative Krivit extorted Levi?!? Did he leave his meds at home? T

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Krivit extorted Levi?!? Did he leave his meds at home? T

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If the Rossi units heat water to the boiling point, it can be used to heat homes...we can collectively nail down specifics on output by the time these units are made available for 'field testing' inside homes and offices.  Our network in D.C. will pin down either the Greek or Italian embassy to bri

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

On 2011-06-17 04:57, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I'd say, so far, so good. Let's hope he gets some decent answers. Krivit's preliminary report has been harshly criticized by Rossi: * * * http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360&cpage=12#comment-46645 Dear Mr Rossi, Can you respond to

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rtex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com > > Sent: Wed, June 15, 2011 10:58:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative > > > > At 02:30 PM 6/14/2011, Harry Veeder wrote: > > > Since the Widom-Larsen theory explains the positive results, > > > can i

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

- Original Message > From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com > Sent: Wed, June 15, 2011 10:58:59 PM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative > > At 02:30 PM 6/14/2011, Harry Veeder wrote: > > Since the Widom-Larsen

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Filli Rossi Pneumatica can have another meaning: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumatics mic 2011/6/17 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax : > At 08:46 PM 6/16/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote: > >> Krivit posted a preliminary report here a while ago: >> >> Short URL: http://goo.gl/7jVM6 >> >> >> http://blog.newener

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At 08:46 PM 6/16/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Krivit posted a preliminary report here a while ago: Short URL: http://goo.gl/7jVM6 http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/06/16/preliminary-report-of-interviews-with-e-cat-trio-rossi-focardi-and-levi/ He doesn't sound very enthusiastic. My impressio

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Oh, oh... what is the water flow? How is the hose draped from device to sink? What are the heights of the device water output and the edge of the sink? How much water might be in the 3 m black hose that wasn't in the end that was lifted above the sink and drained? Seems necessary to have a transpar

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On 2011-06-14 08:20, Peter Gluck wrote: My friend Steve Krivit is in Italy investigating the E-cat http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/06/14/solving-the-mystery-of-the-energy-catalzyer/ The E-cat has more unknowns, hopefully after Steve's visit their number will be smaller Krivit posted a prel

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At 04:53 PM 6/16/2011, Jones Beene wrote: The device is drawing 800 watts electrical and producing 2.5 kW heat with an investment of $5000 and a lifetime before refueling of 5000 hours. This makes the cost of low grade heat about triple the cost of solar electricity (or much more), if you extrap

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On 2011-06-16 23:53, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Yes, basically the point is that... Passerini just added a clarifying note in the comments: - Only one E-Cat was being tested - Rossi was testing special settings which could have determined the increased power consumption. Reportedly, during elect

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On 2011-06-16 23:41, Jed Rothwell wrote: [...] So this high power input is a concern but we cannot draw a firm conclusion from it yet. Do I have that right? Yes, basically the point is that the meter shows a high power draw (~800 W) compared to last time (~350 W, see the April reports by Ny

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At 03:56 PM 6/16/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <a...@lomaxdesign.com> wrote: Krivit's previous blog entry is a doozy: <http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/06/06/cold-fusion-m

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Akira Shirakawa wrote: A quick-ish human translation: * * * Last Tuesday in Bologna, by request of Mats Lewan, I documented with my Nikon [photocamera] the electric current measurements with a current probe on every power supply cable conductor - brown (live), blue (neutral) yellow-green (g

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On 2011-06-16 23:00, Jed Rothwell wrote: Jones: I don't follow what is being said here. I am having difficulty understanding the Google-translation. Can you briefly summarize what Daniel said & did here, and why you draw these conclusions? I see from the photo it has to do with a meter but I ca

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Well, aside from the issue of whether or not this is AC, in which case the RMS would be lower - we should await more data and clarification - especially if there is the possibility that this is electrical input is powering more than one E-Cat. -Original Message- From: Michele Comitini

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On the meter you read 3.5A so electrical input power is: 3.5A x 230 V > 800W mic 2011/6/16 Jed Rothwell : > Jones Beene wrote: > >> Well, the pessimists amongst us will opine that this is looking worse and >> worse as an decent energy solution, especially compared to solar or wind. >> >> Most

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On 2011-06-16 22:53, Jones Beene wrote: [...] The device is drawing 800 watts electrical and producing 2.5 kW heat with an investment of $5000 and a lifetime before refueling of 5000 hours. This makes the cost of low grade heat about triple the cost of solar electricity (or much more), if you ext

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Jones Beene wrote: Well, the pessimists amongst us will opine that this is looking worse and worse as an decent energy solution, especially compared to solar or wind. Most troubling, it is not living up to the "guaranteed" COP>8 at least not in this testing. Funny how Matts glosses over that fa

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-Original Message- From: Akira Shirakawa A couple more photos from the latest blogpost there: Short link: http://goo.gl/x50lj Well, the pessimists amongst us will opine that this is looking worse and worse as an decent energy solution, especially compared to solar or wind. Most trou

Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

On 2011-06-15 00:47, Akira Shirakawa wrote: A "week of news" is incoming, apparently: http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/06/e-cat-settimana-di-novita-in-arrivo.html A couple more photos from the latest blogpost there: Short link: http://goo.gl/x50lj http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&pr

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Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > Krivit's previous blog entry is a doozy: >> > may-ye-rest-in-peace/ >> >http://**blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/**06/06/cold-fusion

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Some kind of aerogel? http://www.aerogel.com/markets/industrial-hot-products.html mic Il giorno 16/giu/2011 12:00, "Man on Bridges" ha scritto: > Hi, > > On 16-6-2011 2:46, Akira Shirakawa wrote: >> On 2011-06-16 02:37, Alan J Fletcher wrote: >>> The black wrapping first appeared on the vertica

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Hi, On 16-6-2011 2:46, Akira Shirakawa wrote: On 2011-06-16 02:37, Alan J Fletcher wrote: The black wrapping first appeared on the vertical column the "mini eCat" -- see the March experiment by Kullander and Essén. It's shown partly unwrapped at http://lenr.qumbu.com/110406-c-Img+4+OUTPUT.jpg L

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At 02:30 PM 6/14/2011, Harry Veeder wrote: Since the Widom-Larsen theory explains the positive results, can it also explain the negative results. A good theory should be able to do both. I don't see W-L theory explaining positive results, at all. If so, it's been very badly explained! Kr

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At 02:15 PM 6/14/2011, Alan Fletcher wrote: He sure is a hard-liner on the term "Cold Fusion". -- Krivit's previous blog entry is a doozy: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/06/06/cold-fusion-may-ye-rest-in-pe

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On 2011-06-16 02:37, Alan J Fletcher wrote: The black wrapping first appeared on the vertical column the "mini eCat" -- see the March experiment by Kullander and Essén. It's shown partly unwrapped at http://lenr.qumbu.com/110406-c-Img+4+OUTPUT.jpg Looks like fancy duct tape. It looks quite thic

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At 05:20 PM 6/15/2011, Harry Veeder wrote: Has the black wrapping replaced the tin foil or is the foil underneath? What sort of material is black wrapping? The black wrapping first appeared on the vertical column the "mini eCat" -- see the March experiment by Kullander and Essén. It's shown p

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Has the black wrapping replaced the tin foil or is the foil underneath? What sort of material is black wrapping? Harry   - Original Message > From: Terry Blanton > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Sent: Wed, June 15, 2011 7:33:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initi

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On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/06/quattro-gatti-e-sette-persone.html > > Looks like AR has four EKits running simultaneously similar to the > plan for the 1MW reactor. Looks like 4 Ekits running in series with white rubber hoses for the wa

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http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/06/quattro-gatti-e-sette-persone.html Looks like AR has four EKits running simultaneously similar to the plan for the 1MW reactor. T

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On 2011-06-15 00:47, Akira Shirakawa wrote: A "week of news" is incoming, apparently: http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/06/e-cat-settimana-di-novita-in-arrivo.html More photos in this Google-translated link of the latest Blog entry from 22passi. For additional information it looks like we will

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On 2011-06-14 11:55, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Daniele Passerini (22passi) is also in Bologna today. Hopefully we will have interesting news soon. A "week of news" is incoming, apparently: http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/06/e-cat-settimana-di-novita-in-arrivo.html Cheers, S.A.

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Even if LENR is found to ulimately not be fusion and rather is other weak atomic forces interacting, it may be commonly known as "cold fusion' in colloquial terms. In any case, all this talk about what to name the field will be overshowed by technological developments, if Rossi actually has workin

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Since the Widom-Larsen theory explains the positive results, can it also explain the negative results.  A good theory should be able to do both. Harry > >From: Jed Rothwell >To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >Sent: Tue, June 14, 2011 10:21:54 AM >Subject: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's in

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He sure is a hard-liner on the term "Cold Fusion". Krivit's previous blog entry is a doozy: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/06/06/cold-fusion-may-ye-rest-in-peace/

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I also hope Rossi allows Steve Krivit to make independent measurements. We all know that Steve is not going to give Rossi a free pass. He will take as close a look as possible at Rossi's device and then render his opinion regarding its validity. On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Jed Rothwell wro

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Krivit's previous blog entry is a doozy: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/06/06/cold-fusion-may-ye-rest-in-peace/ I hope that Rossi allows Krivit to make independent measurements. - Jed

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On 2011-06-14 08:20, Peter Gluck wrote: My friend Steve Krivit is in Italy investigating the E-cat http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/06/14/solving-the-mystery-of-the-energy-catalzyer/ The E-cat has more unknowns, hopefully after Steve's visit their number will be smaller Daniele Passerini (2

[Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative

My friend Steve Krivit is in Italy investigating the E-cat http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/06/14/solving-the-mystery-of-the-energy-catalzyer/ The E-cat has more unknowns, hopefully after Steve's visit their number will be smaller Vederemo! Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutp