Re: [Vo]:Stimulation of LENR using dual lasers, creative engineering needed

Abd, See cheap => Chan. Why did so many ridicule Propane over Ar? Maybe that was key to his success. See http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0103-97332004000800032 Hydrocarbon + Ni in arc => C2H2 + H (highly active) and now C2H2 + Ni => unexplained temperature results. I

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I want to thank Guenter for thinking about this and taking the time to write it out. Comments interspersed. At 01:58 AM 4/6/2012, Guenter Wildgruber wrote: Von: Daniel Rocha An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 4:13 Freitag, 6.April 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Stimulation of LENR using dual lasers

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The boundary do not have more than 100 atoms. I think it wouldn't be able to sustain so much charge. 2012/4/6 Axil Axil > The long term accumulation and concentration of electrostatic charge > (1,000 to 2,000 electrons) is one major cause of cold fusion. Phonon > resonance may produce this accu

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Von: Axil Axil An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 20:33 Freitag, 6.April 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Stimulation of LENR using dual lasers, creative engineering needed >To the highest possible extent, the lattice should be devoid of flaws to >minimize

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The long term accumulation and concentration of electrostatic charge (1,000 to 2,000 electrons) is one major cause of cold fusion. Phonon resonance may produce this accumulation and concentration but it is not the only cause. Charge may accumulate near the interface bounderies of two metals as setu

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So, the cause of CF is probably not phonon resonance. Otherwise, how could small grains used by ahern, with around 1000 atoms could produce heat? Or maybe, that's a reason why phonon resonance works better with such small clusters? Such small particles tend to organize themselves, spontaneously,

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To the highest possible extent, the lattice should be devoid of flaws to minimize random phonon reflections(RPR). RPR will disrupt the phonon resonance pattern that the lattice heat stimulant is producing. A flawed lattice could be the reason for inconsistent results in many experiments. Obviously

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That is another alternative, though, why not heat it with ultrasound? BTW, does the experimenters take care in figuring how the material was produced in relation to its lattice structure? Maybe the experiments do not go right so frequently because they rely on stimulate the lattice in specific di

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> around 140K, so 71K is far away from that peak. > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Daniel Rocha > To: vortex-l > Sent: Thu, Apr 5, 2012 10:13 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Stimulation of LENR using dual lasers, creative > engineering needed > > M

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At 09:30 PM 4/5/2012, Daniel Rocha wrote: The idea was doing something cheap, right? Yes. Cheap carbon dioxide laser? If we could get direct stimulation in the range of 8 - 22 ThZ, great! That would replace the two visible light lasers. However, I'm not clear if the far infrared would penetr

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Von: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax An: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 17:40 Freitag, 6.April 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Stimulation of LENR using dual lasers, creative engineering needed >Unfortunately, the reactions are known to be temperat

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Von: "fznidar...@aol.com" An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 15:07 Freitag, 6.April 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Stimulation of LENR using dual lasers, creative engineering needed Did that. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/chapterb.html#Pg6  M

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At 09:13 PM 4/5/2012, Daniel Rocha wrote: Maybe it is the case of cooling the experiment with liquid nitrogen, to avoid self interference with the experiment. 8THz blackbody is a peak around 140K, so 71K is far away from that peak. Unfortunately, the reactions are known to be temperature-depen

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: Daniel Rocha To: vortex-l Sent: Thu, Apr 5, 2012 10:13 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Stimulation of LENR using dual lasers, creative engineering needed Maybe it is the case of cooling the experiment with liquid nitrogen, to avoid self interference with the experiment. 8THz blackbody is a peak around

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Von: Daniel Rocha An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 4:13 Freitag, 6.April 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Stimulation of LENR using dual lasers, creative engineering needed > Maybe it is the case of cooling the experiment with liquid nitrogen, to avoid >

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IF you can confine a few thousand electrons in a small enough volume, then the coulomb barrier in that small volume would be reduced enough for fusion tunneling to occur. There are a number of ways to confine a group of electrons for the required time interval. One way is to use electron/phonon

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Well, depending on the theory, CF can be much hotter than those of Tokamaks... 2012/4/6 Jones Beene > >From: Daniel Rocha > >That's the energy excitation corresponding Debye temperature > in palladium at 275K. That's odd. > Jones Beene wrote: >

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From: Daniel Rocha That's the energy excitation corresponding Debye temperature in palladium at 275K. That's odd. Jones Beene wrote: This begs the question: why would 15-22 THz, in theory, couple with Ni-H in a gainf

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That's the energy excitation corresponding Debye temperature in palladium 275K. That's odd. 2012/4/5 Jones Beene > This begs the question: why would 15-22 THz, in theory, couple with Ni-H in > a gainful way when higher radiation (lasers light) or lower (microwaves) > would not do anywhere near

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t for that band is required... > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax > To: vortex-l ; vortex-l > Sent: Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:17 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Stimulation of LENR using dual lasers, creative > engineering needed > > At 04:0

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Maybe it is the case of cooling the experiment with liquid nitrogen, to avoid self interference with the experiment. 8THz blackbody is a peak around 140K, so 71K is far away from that peak. 2012/4/5 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax > At 12:30 PM 4/5/2012, Daniel Rocha wrote: > >> If you are not concerned wi

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an Lomax To: vortex-l ; vortex-l Sent: Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:17 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Stimulation of LENR using dual lasers, creative engineering needed At 04:05 PM 4/5/2012, Daniel Rocha wrote: >The problem would be the output. The low energy >tail would have also a very low power. I thi

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At 04:05 PM 4/5/2012, Daniel Rocha wrote: The problem would be the output. The low energy tail would have also a very low power. I think a specialized equipment for that band is required... 2012/4/5 Jones Beene Hey Daniel – instead of straight wide spectrum low IR - why not add a special fi

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-Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax > Sweeping up from 3 THz or so, Letts found no effect until 8 THz. He got the most pronounced effects at 15 and 22 THz. OK, got it. That puts this into very difficult territory. This spectrum 15-22 THz is the upper end of the so-called "tera

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At 02:56 PM 4/5/2012, Jones Beene wrote: Hey Daniel – instead of straight wide spectrum low IR - why not add a special filter to a tuned resistance heater electrode to get some kind of pseudo coherence? Here is a pretty steep spike at 2 THz: http://ww

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At 12:31 PM 4/5/2012, Daniel Rocha wrote: BTW, this resembles the stuff Rossi claims to use... I don't think so. However, sure. Maybe the band heater that Rossi uses is actually an IR source. However, I'm not willing to base anything on anything from Rossi, until and unless it is independen

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At 12:30 PM 4/5/2012, Daniel Rocha wrote: If you are not concerned with a narrow broad band, you could use a blackbody emission. According to Wien's displacement law, 14.8THz to 22.5THz, http://en.wikipedia.

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At 12:22 PM 4/5/2012, Jones Beene wrote: -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax > Any brainstorming, especially informed, on how to generate the THz stimulation will be appreciated. Contact: Virginia Diodes Inc. (434) 297-3257 www.vadiodes.com/ THz Mixers, Multipliers, Systems

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The problem would be the output. The low energy tail would have also a very low power. I think a specialized equipment for that band is required... 2012/4/5 Jones Beene > Hey Daniel – instead of straight wide spectrum low IR - why not add a > special filter to a tuned resistance heater electrod

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Hey Daniel - instead of straight wide spectrum low IR - why not add a special filter to a tuned resistance heater electrode to get some kind of pseudo coherence? Here is a pretty steep spike at 2 THz: http://www.insight-product.com/mesh3.htm Low terahertz might work, no? Doubt if they go ve

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BTW, this resembles the stuff Rossi claims to use... 2012/4/5 Daniel Rocha > If you are not concerned with a narrow broad band, you could use a > blackbody emission. According to Wien's displacement law, 14.8THz to > 22.5THz, > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wien%27s_displacement_law#Frequency

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If you are not concerned with a narrow broad band, you could use a blackbody emission. According to Wien's displacement law, 14.8THz to 22.5THz, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wien%27s_displacement_law#Frequency-dependent_formulation gives 251K to 387K. So, a resistive heater would give you the up

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-Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax > Any brainstorming, especially informed, on how to generate the THz stimulation will be appreciated. Contact: Virginia Diodes Inc. (434) 297-3257 www.vadiodes.com/ THz Mixers, Multipliers, Systems Jones

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20 x 10 exp 12 hertz times 50 x 10 exp -9 = one megahertz meter Someday even Jones and Stevek will believe me. Frank Znidarsic -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax To: vortex-l ; vortex-l Sent: Thu, Apr 5, 2012 12:38 pm Subject: [Vo]:Stimulation of LENR using dual lasers

[Vo]:Stimulation of LENR using dual lasers, creative engineering needed

I've been looking at: Letts, D. and P.L. Hagelstein. Stimulation of Optical Phonons in Deuterated Palladium. in ICCF-14 International Conference on Condensed Matter Nuclear Science. 2008. Washington, DC. http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LettsDstimulatio.pdf This work has not received adequate att