Re: Are things really getting too complicated?

2005-07-31 Thread Wesley Bruce
Good points Ed. You may be interested that we have a solution to the 'life begins at conception' and the fight over its consequences. Its off subject for Vortex but I'm a right to life advocate that advocates live embryo transplantation and bionic Wombs. Together these would end the abortion de

Re: Are things really getting too complicated?

2005-07-31 Thread Edmund Storms
Wesley Bruce wrote: Well said Ed. I come from a church background so I guess I see human short sightedness and stupidity as normal and unsurprising. I was taught the Christian philosophy also, Wesley. However, I was also taught that mankind, although imperfect, was given the task of striv

Re: Are things really getting too complicated?

2005-07-30 Thread Wesley Bruce
Well said Ed. I come from a church background so I guess I see human short sightedness and stupidity as normal and unsurprising. Christian theology teaches that this is a broken world on the wrong path. I'm making efforts to reach some influential people in the church net works I'm in so they

Re: Are things really getting too complicated?

2005-07-30 Thread Edmund Storms
Wesley Bruce wrote: Jed and Ed interesting string. I happen to have a degree that includes both the economics and environmental subjects your covering. I've learned a few interesting things over the years. * Very few technological and environmental disasters have occurred that were n

Re: Are things really getting too complicated?

2005-07-29 Thread Wesley Bruce
Jed and Ed interesting string. I happen to have a degree that includes both the economics and environmental subjects your covering. I've learned a few interesting things over the years. * Very few technological and environmental disasters have occurred that were not predicted and thus pr

Re: Are things really getting too complicated?

2005-07-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: When a society feels a strong need for a tool, and the tool is technically within its grasp (meaning it does not require any fundamental new discovery), development becomes inevitable. That does not mean we always invent things when we need them. Necessity alone is insufficient. We

Re: Are things really getting too complicated?

2005-07-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: That's true, but ancient economies were pretty complicated! What standard would you use to judge? Surely, past economies were not as complicated as what we see today. I do not know much about economics, but premodern manufacturing was, in some ways, even more complica

Re: Are things really getting too complicated?

2005-07-29 Thread Edmund Storms
Jed Rothwell wrote: Edmund Storms wrote: Well, let me provide a few examples. Never before was a "wrong" decision able to eliminate most life on earth. We now have at least three ways to do this - by nuclear weapons, by bioweapons . . . Ah, well, that is not an increase in complexity,

Re: Are things really getting too complicated?

2005-07-29 Thread leaking pen
the government could easily have controlled the greed. unfortunely, when you try, people who know not of what they speak start screaming about free market economys. clue camel guys, a powerful single industrial leader destroys the free market as surely as the most socialist government controls wo

Re: Are things really getting too complicated?

2005-07-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: Well, let me provide a few examples. Never before was a "wrong" decision able to eliminate most life on earth. We now have at least three ways to do this - by nuclear weapons, by bioweapons . . . Ah, well, that is not an increase in complexity, but rather heightened co

Re: Are things really getting too complicated?

2005-07-29 Thread Edmund Storms
Jed Rothwell wrote: Edmund Storms wrote: The complication I was addressing is based on the need to make a policy decision based on many conflicting possibilities. The number of these possibilities is increasing, as it always the case in every country, from classical Greek times to Germany

Re: Are things really getting too complicated?

2005-07-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: The complication I was addressing is based on the need to make a policy decision based on many conflicting possibilities. The number of these possibilities is increasing, as it always the case in every country, from classical Greek times to Germany under Hitler. Honestly

RE: Are things really getting too complicated?

2005-07-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Zell, Chris wrote: one good battery. That's all it would take to end the energy crisis, stop global warming and end terrorism -- one really good battery. I agree. Sometimes a grand simplification in technology eliminates a whole class of problems. A really good battery proba

Re: Are things really getting too complicated?

2005-07-29 Thread Mike Carrell
Craig wrote: > > I can only repeat: > > one good battery. > > That's all it would take to end the energy crisis, stop global > warming and end terrorism -- one really good battery. And I keep repeating, keep your eye on BLP. The website is being modified and the hints tha

RE: Are things really getting too complicated?

2005-07-28 Thread Terry Blanton
> From: "Zell, Chris" > I can only repeat: > > one good battery. Yeah, Chris. What ever happened to the polymer battery promised by the "American Battery Company"?

RE: Are things really getting too complicated?

2005-07-28 Thread Zell, Chris
t one really good battery. -Original Message- From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 6:48 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Are things really getting too complicated? The complication I was addressing is based on the need to make a policy decision

Re: Are things really getting too complicated?

2005-07-28 Thread Edmund Storms
The complication I was addressing is based on the need to make a policy decision based on many conflicting possibilities. The number of these possibilities is increasing, as it always the case in every country, from classical Greek times to Germany under Hitler. A country or civilization fails

Are things really getting too complicated?

2005-07-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: I suggest we are seeing the the effects produced by a society and its technical problems becoming too complex for the average person to properly comprehend. The energy problem is one example of an issue that is only properly understood by people having either technical tra