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Standing Bear wrote: Dunno, but their web site only hands out old PDFs. Don't have the patience on a slow connection to get PDF's that will probably turn out to be not on subject. The PDFs they now hand out are old and not on subject. Our subject anyway. The PDFs and other info at the iESi

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On Monday 20 June 2005 22:24, John Coviello wrote: > Professor Peter Hagelstein mentioned the iESiusa development at the MIT > Cold Fusion colloquium last month. He said a group associated with iESiusa > had secured a South Korean patent for a cold fusion technology and that he > expected commerci

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- Original Message - From: "Jed Rothwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 1:13 PM Subject: Re: Big CF breakthrough reported John Coviello wrote: iESiusa definitely deserves a field trip by cold fusion advocates to see if they seem legit.

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> From: Jed Rothwell > Ludwik Kowalski has written some highly skeptical reviews of the research, > starting with this one: > > http://blake.montclair.edu/~kowalskil/cf/216koldamasov.html An interesting typo in this paper, "clod fusion".:-)

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John Coviello wrote: iESiusa definitely deserves a field trip by cold fusion advocates to see if they seem legit. I have been in communication with them, and I would go, but they want visitors to sign a non-disclosure agreement (NDA), and that is something I will not do. As I said yesterday,

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Professor Peter Hagelstein mentioned the iESiusa development at the MIT Cold Fusion colloquium last month.  He said a group associated with iESiusa had secured a South Korean patent for a cold fusion technology and that he expected commercial developments in the near future.  iESiusa also pu

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Jean de Lagarde wrote: For more than three months since a large exchange in the beginning of march 2005, we have not heard about IESI. Have they been visited by competent people which coud give us news of this supposed fantastic breakthrough or does it exist non disclosure agreements that prev

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Jean, >Sources say there has been big breakthrough with CF Pd-Rh alloys. Aha... ! Is it merely coincidental - or were you considering Pd-Rh alloy for the MAHG? At least, something "close" to this was conclusion was also arrived at by me recently, based on a wide study of the literature of the h

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Sources say there has been big breakthrough with CF Pd-Rh alloys. A company called Innovative Energy Solutions Inc. has been formed to market the technology. See: http://iesiusa.com/ - Jed For more than three months since a large exchange in the beginning of march 2005, we have not heard ab

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Jed, Potopov is before my time. Can you say just a word or two about it? It worked? Didn't work? Status unknown? Thanks, Steve At 02:25 PM 3/3/2005 -0500, you wrote: A Friend wrote to me: "The people I know who have been [to visit IESI] and seen the equipment can't say anything other than there ar

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A Friend wrote to me: "The people I know who have been [to visit IESI] and seen the equipment can't say anything other than there are big objects making lots of noise but no data is apparent or being offered. It smells strongly of Potopov to me." - Jed

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At 10:24 AM 3/3/5, Edmund Storms wrote: >You forget Nick, that hydrogen will be mainly obtained from water. As a >result, each hydrogen atom that is produced is accompanied by the >necessary oxygen for its conversion back to water. I think that was Nick's point too. Also of interest is the fact

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Hey guys Give the guy a break. You can cleary see the "Coming Soon" at the top of the page. None of the links are active. The site is under construction. This errata and others will be removed. It was not suposed to have been noticed yet. Steve was mistaken to even mention it. The site was put u

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Yes Ed, that is the point I was making - that THEY at gifnet do not seem to appreciate this fact. In fact they are suffering from the same delusion that appears to afflict many promoters of the hydrogen economy i.e. that free hydrogen can be found somewhere in the environment and used as a fuel

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Edmund Storms wrote: You forget Nick, that hydrogen will be mainly obtained from water. As a result, each hydrogen atom that is produced is accompanied by the necessary oxygen for its conversion back to water. Nick was quoting the The Global Institute for New Energy Technologies web site. (http

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You forget Nick, that hydrogen will be mainly obtained from water. As a result, each hydrogen atom that is produced is accompanied by the necessary oxygen for its conversion back to water. Regards, Ed Nick Palmer wrote: http://www.gifnet.org/

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thomas malloy wrote: IMHO, if the device is producing a commercially feasible amount of energy, ten times the input energy, the instrumentation doesn't have to be too complex. I agree it does not have to be complex, but it has to be present. It is so easy to show 10 x input, why not do it? The

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Steve et al. > We all remember Genesis World Energy, right? I've seen another website > recently about an NGO that seems to really have their heart in the right > place - but there's something weird about it, I can't quite put my finger > on it. www.gifnet.org . Please! Do not confuse this compa

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  http://www.gifnet.org/    don't seem to be very scientifically literate - look at this extract from their front page...  

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Frank Grimer posted At 04:02 pm 02-03-05 -0500, Jed wrote: >would have written a scathing report saying this trip was a waste of time in the instrumentation is meaningless. It says: > IMHO, if the device is producing a commercially feasible amount of energy, ten times the input energy, the instr

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CF that we mere humans lack (grin). I would withhold judgement until we find out more. They clearly have some tangible sort of business here. K. -Original Message- From: Robin van Spaandonk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 11:32 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject:

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Good work Robin. From their SEC filing (on their Web site) Patents 1. Hydrogen Technology 1. Korean Patent Application No. 10-2002-0026277 "Energy Generating Device" This patent has only been filed in Korean and has not been translated into English. The patent basically describes how the manufac

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In reply to Steven Krivit's message of Wed, 02 Mar 2005 16:38:00 -0800: Hi, [snip] >Korean patent > >On http://iesiusa.com/intellectual.html there is a list of >>patents, but I don't recognize the number format. Can someone >>help? 10-20020026277 would be particularly interesting. > > >:) > > >Ste

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Jed,     Just for the heck of it I did a google on Hyunik Yang and got a large number of responses. He has reported on nanowires of Gallium Nitride and Gallium Phosphide, as well as jointly with some russians on an ”Experimental Study of Peculiarities of Electric Explosion ... web.pdx.edu/~p

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Korean patent On http://iesiusa.com/intellectual.html there is a list of patents, but I don't recognize the number format. Can someone help? 10-20020026277 would be particularly interesting. :) Steve

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At 05:56 pm 02-03-05 -0500, you wrote: >I wrote: > >"Actually, I think it is plausible too. That is why I am disgusted by the >instrumentation, and also by the documents on this web site." > >What I mean is, if I thought these people were the usual perpetual motion >wackos, I would not care about

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I wrote: "Actually, I think it is plausible too. That is why I am disgusted by the instrumentation, and also by the documents on this web site." What I mean is, if I thought these people were the usual perpetual motion wackos, I would not care about the quality of their instrumentation or web sit

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Grimer wrote: I can understand your disgust with the poor standard of instrumentation, etc. Jed, but as far as I'm concerned, it all sounds terribly plausible. Actually, I think it is plausible too. That is why I am disgusted by the instrumentation, and also by the documents on this web site. I

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In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Wed, 02 Mar 2005 15:41:11 -0500: Hi, [snip] On http://iesiusa.com/intellectual.html there is a list of patents, but I don't recognize the number format. Can someone help? 10-20020026277 would be particularly interesting. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk All S

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At 04:02 pm 02-03-05 -0500, Jed wrote: >There is another document on this web site titled GPS.pdf. It is a report >on a visit to Innovative Energy Solutions Inc. I cannot tell who wrote it, >but it is someone who is easy to impress. If I had seen the same thing I >would have written a scathing r

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There is another document on this web site titled GPS.pdf. It is a report on a visit to Innovative Energy Solutions Inc. I cannot tell who wrote it, but it is someone who is easy to impress. If I had seen the same thing I would have written a scathing report saying this trip was a waste of time i

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Stop the presses. I downloaded the "white paper" which is mostly white noise -- vapid. It describes the work of Hyunik Yang (Korea) et al. It says: "They used resonate harmonic frequencies to expose the nuclei of atoms so they could put the nuclei together to obtain the energy from the fused pr

Big CF breakthrough reported

Sources say there has been big breakthrough with CF Pd-Rh alloys. A company called Innovative Energy Solutions Inc. has been formed to market the technology. See: http://iesiusa.com/ This is a typical vague web site with no hard details and some kooky looking stuff about "waste heat recovery" (