Re: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-06 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jones Beene wrote: Stephen If there are violations of the second law waiting to be employed, I think we can be reasonably sure they won't use either heat pumps or heat engines as their "prime movers". Not to put words in anyone's mouth, but I think what you meant to say was: "If there are

Re: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-06 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Michel Jullian wrote: OK thanks Jones, Ron et al. I could have gone on and on like this, describing encouraging experimental results maybe, raising millions perhaps, but I'll put an end to my little joke, which was in reality a challenge to the group's thermodynamics skills, nothing against the

RE: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-05 Thread Stiffler Scientific
Jones; Why play with him, he is only learning to spread his wings? -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:08 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis) Michel Jullian wrote: >

Re: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-05 Thread Harry Veeder
Michel Jullian wrote: > OK thanks Jones, Ron et al. I could have gone on and on like this, describing > encouraging experimental results maybe, raising millions perhaps, but I'll put > an end to my little joke, which was in reality a challenge to the group's > thermodynamics skills, nothing agains

RE: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-05 Thread Stiffler Scientific
bject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis) OK thanks Jones, Ron et al. I could have gone on and on like this, describing encouraging experimental results maybe, raising millions perhaps, but I'll put an end to my little joke, which was in reality a challenge to t

Re: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-05 Thread Michel Jullian
r hurt anybody in any way. Michel - Original Message - From: "Jones Beene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis) > Ron, > >> For example the Jandy Model AE 250

Re: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-05 Thread Jones Beene
Ron, For example the Jandy Model AE 2500 claims COP 5.4, while the Ice Breaker Model H100R is rated at 5.6 and its big brother at 6.1, or http://www.sortprice.com/search-CQ-Pool_and_Spa-Heat_Pump which all have claims of COP's that are higher. Wow, I had no idea that they were getting that kin

RE: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-05 Thread Stiffler Scientific
Jones; You are right about the unit being in a lab, yet one must be careful as you say so you don't mix apples and oranges. A number of off the street products do claim COP's greater than the LOX production example, although one does indeed need to look farther than just a statement of COP. For e

Re: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-04 Thread Harry Veeder
> Michel > > - Original Message - > From: "Harry Veeder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 5:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis) > > >> What happens when you begin to use

RE: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-04 Thread StifflerScientific
PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 4:48 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis) When you begin to use the heat from the hot reservoir (launch the Sterling) it would tend to cool down from the thermal watts you draw from it, but

Re: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-04 Thread Michel Jullian
uot; by Jones please answer this post so he gets it, thanks) Michel - Original Message - From: "Harry Veeder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis) > What happens when you

Re: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-04 Thread Harry Veeder
What happens when you begin to use the hot water? Harry Stiffler Scientific wrote: > You enjoy the MIB part don't you? > > In all reality I don't believe they pay any attention to some one making > claims unless there is a device or their expert University advisors get > nervous. For the most p

RE: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-04 Thread Stiffler Scientific
You enjoy the MIB part don't you? In all reality I don't believe they pay any attention to some one making claims unless there is a device or their expert University advisors get nervous. For the most part they sit back drink coffee and Red Bull, each donuts and get a big chuckle from all the fool