Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100

2008-09-26 Thread Mike Carrell
- Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip Quoting Ed Storms: It is not necessary for the breakthrough to lead directly to a practical device. I agree with Ed about this, but it should be noted that other people such as Mike Melich feel that theory is somewhat

Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100

2008-09-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mike Carrell wrote: The phase shifting means is proprietary. Melich could be correct that its formulation was empirical, but it was well withing established knowledge. He was discussing the materials used to make the components, not the electronics. The materials were tested and improved

Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100

2008-09-26 Thread Edmund Storms
On Sep 25, 2008, at 11:05 PM, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:05:23 -0600: Hi Ed, [snip] Evidence is growing for several mechanisms to be operating. We know that tritium can be produced on occasion without neutrons. Perhaps, the same

Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100

2008-09-26 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Taylor J. Smith's message of Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:41:57 +: Hi Jack, [snip] I have chosen a different approach. Make a guess at the mechanism, and assume it is correct. Then optimize a design based upon the guess. Build the design. If the guess was correct, it will pay off. If not,

Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100

2008-09-25 Thread Edmund Storms
Hope this works Jed, or at least makes people aware. Ed On Sep 25, 2008, at 2:00 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: See: http://www.project10tothe100.com/index.html I submitted an application to this project. Not expecting a response, but anyway, I have covered this. In the application form field

Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100

2008-09-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
People should vote for me next year. I will remind everyone -- if I remember. Quote from: http://www.project10tothe100.com/how_it_works.html How it works Project 10^100 (pronounced Project 10 to the 100th) is a call for ideas to change the world by helping as many people as possible. Here's

RE: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100

2008-09-25 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
Hi Jed, Very well put and thanks for submitting it. I hope they get the message. Hoyt Stearns Scottsdale, Arizona US -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] See: http://www.project10tothe100.com/index.html I submitted an application to this project. Not

Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100

2008-09-25 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:00:51 -0400: Hi, [snip] Experts at the Naval Research Laboratory estimate that cold fusion can be fully developed and commercialized for roughly $300 million to $600 million, which is what it cost to develop similar surface effect,

Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100

2008-09-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Experts at the Naval Research Laboratory estimate that cold fusion can be fully developed and commercialized for roughly $300 million to $600 million . . . [snip] If my device works, it could be thousands of times more effective than the current CF reactors, and

RE: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100

2008-09-25 Thread Remi Cornwall
Looks like a new energy bubble forming... This time those in the field must maintain transparency. 'scalled peer review.

Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100

2008-09-25 Thread Edmund Storms
On Sep 25, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Experts at the Naval Research Laboratory estimate that cold fusion can be fully developed and commercialized for roughly $300 million to $600 million . . . [snip] If my device works, it could be thousands of times

Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100

2008-09-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: At ICCF-14 another NRL person told me, we are one breakthrough away from a practical device. . . . No one is even close to a breakthrough until the mechanism is understood. Well, I think the gist of the NRL guy's comment was that Pam Boss's neutrons or something like

Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100

2008-09-25 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:20:27 -0400: Hi, [snip] Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Experts at the Naval Research Laboratory estimate that cold fusion can be fully developed and commercialized for roughly $300 million to $600 million . . . [snip] If my device works,

Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100

2008-09-25 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:33:40 -0600: Hi, [snip] No one is even close to a breakthrough until the mechanism is understood. Simply replicating a process that works is only the first step. This only makes possible a search for the mechanism, a process that

RE: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100

2008-09-25 Thread Remi Cornwall
I've seen a repeated posting with fantastical ideas about aether and parallel universes. Now really, come on! Whether it is private or public money you need to have projects with clear objectives backed up with some testable theory or suppositions. The way they work these things is bit by bit

Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100

2008-09-25 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:48:07 -0400: Hi, [snip] Frankly, even $100 million cannot guarantee clear thinking or a breakthrough. [snip] There is no such thing as a perfect guarantee. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100

2008-09-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Well, it would still cost hundreds of millions to make it into a practical device. No, that's precisely the difference. CF as it stands rarely yields an excess of more than a few percent (and when it does, no one understands why). That's incorrect on two counts:

Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100

2008-09-25 Thread Edmund Storms
On Sep 25, 2008, at 3:48 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Edmund Storms wrote: At ICCF-14 another NRL person told me, we are one breakthrough away from a practical device. . . . No one is even close to a breakthrough until the mechanism is understood. Well, I think the gist of the NRL guy's

Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100

2008-09-25 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:05:23 -0600: Hi, [snip] Everyone has their hopes and dreams. Next, a person needs to get other people to follow their lead, which is not easy to do even under the best of circumstances. This process will take years. Meanwhile enjoy

Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100

2008-09-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: I wish the Boss work were a breakthrough. Unfortunately, the process that makes apparent neutron emission during co-deposition cannot be operating in a heat-producing cell. Well, that means it is not practical breakthrough but it still might illuminate the mechanism as I

Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100

2008-09-25 Thread Michel Jullian
Of course the project name is not innocent, 10^100 is also known as 1 googol, whose misspelling as google is claimed to be the origin of the name of the company :) Michel

Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100

2008-09-25 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:01:45 -0400: Hi, [snip] Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Well, it would still cost hundreds of millions to make it into a practical device. No, that's precisely the difference. CF as it stands rarely yields an excess of more than a few

Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100

2008-09-25 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:05:23 -0600: Hi Ed, [snip] Evidence is growing for several mechanisms to be operating. We know that tritium can be produced on occasion without neutrons. Perhaps, the same mechanism makes neutrons without tritium. [snip] I find this